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bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/20#post_3457388
And there goes the typical shell game again. 1) Obama said he is going to sign and then press the Senate to ratify the UN small arms treaty which, despite that pesky 2nd Amendment, gives the UN the right to confiscate private firearms of American citizens that it deems a danger to international stability. So a bunch of third world rats will be given authority over American sovereignty and the 2nd Amendment-yeah, Obama is totally for gun ownership. 2) They're called gun burial vaults and they are 100% moisture proof... and you might read up on the original militia. They didn't keep their arms at home because the British searched homes frequently. 3) You post a made up "fact" from Handgun Inc or the Brady Group and still won't say what you think: guns need banned. If you don't think that, all your protestations of the dangers of guns is schizophrenic. For context, I was raised in a home with 16 kids and 20+ guns-shockingly, no accidents or deaths. I have 3 kids and as many as 30 guns(only 3 now) and no deaths or accidents. Pay no attention to the fool behind the curtain.
Mantis, I've had as many guns as you, if not more. I have just two today. But I don't sit around worrying whether Obama's Anti-Gun Brigade will come banging down my door to confiscate what I do have.
This isn't the 1700's. I don't see anyone trying to invade the US to take it over, nor do I see the Feds infringing on any of my Constitutional rights. You sit here and make all these suppositions about Obama wanting to repeal the 2nd Amendment, or even restrict it to some degree, yet you see people walking around with every weapon imaginable. Do you honestly believe Congress would allow the UN to come in and disarm American citizens? Agian, paranoia will destroy ya! People like you are the one's who over-react to a situation, and are likely to start something that shouldn't have been started in the first place. Just go on thinking someone's coming after you and your guns. I personally won't lose any sleep over it.
 

mantisman51

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Um, while I(amazingly) agree with your sentiment, Obama is pushing for a foreign government(UN) to invade and confiscate our firearms. That should make you take a pause and reconsider your support for him. Here is my take on Obama: when he pressed Congress to include a repeal of the law banning loaded firearms on Federal land, I thought he was a real moderate. But then came Kagan and Sotomayor and a long list of publicly anti private firearm ownership judges and Federal attorneys. Now I think he was throwing a bone while he, in his own words, is working behind the scenes to get gun control enforced. I don't want firearms just for self protection from criminals. I see it as the single biggest national defense measure we can have. It is well documented when the Japanese army was planning an invasion of the West Coast, Yamamoto said it would be impossible because there would be millions of armed Americans who would repulse it. There is a huge difference between paranoia and vigilance. If I were to take the drastic action of hiding a firearm and ammo, it wouldn't be done until an unConstitutional ban was in place.
 

mantisman51

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Also, militias out in the woods playing army are dangerous and should be investigated and monitored. A militia, according to the Federalist Papers, is a group of 2 or 3 citizens who hide weapons in a remote area and when the call to arms is made(Constitutionally by the governor of a state) they go and gather their weapons and meet where the governor states. That is a legal militia. Lunatics out in the woods preparing for WWIII are making us less safe and a potential destabilizing force for our republic.
 

darthtang aw

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Obama is pushing for a foreign government(UN) to invade and confiscate our firearms.
Can you explain this further or link me to the thought process behind this statement? This is a first.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/20#post_3457394
Hve you ever used them to defend yourself? May want to check out what your policy says about you accidently, or even purposely, shooting someone without their knowledge of you having guns on your premises. They may limit replacement of stolen guns at $2,500, but would they cover any medical expenses due to a gunshot wound?
Once but just had to show the gun, no shooting involved. Nothing listed in the policy when I was looking to see if there was a limit on gun values. I was looking for anything gun related. ANY insurance company of any kind wont cover you if you have a loss as a result of criminal activity.
My brother accidentally shot himself and his renters policy covered to his policy max which wasn't a lot, like 5 grand I think it was. He didn't own a gun 6 months before it happened so I SERIOUSLY doubt he called and told them he had a couple pistols.
 

mantisman51

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"I just want you to know that we are working on [gun control]. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar,” President Obama told Sarah Brady, the former president of the Brady Campaign, this past spring.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/28/president-obamas-anti-gun-agenda-shows-no-sign-stopping/#ixzz1m0K95TZt
The UN treaty(that Obama has said he will sign and push to ratify) states the UN has the authority to force registration of all guns in every country that signs it and they can confiscate all small arms that it deems a "threat to international security". The mechanism used for confiscation has not yet been released, but it would mean a foreign government coming into our country to confiscate our weapons. Now we can argue semantics, but that is a foreign invasion.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/20#post_3457388
And there goes the typical shell game again. 1) Obama said he is going to sign and then press the Senate to ratify the UN small arms treaty which, despite that pesky 2nd Amendment, gives the UN the right to confiscate private firearms of American citizens that it deems a danger to international stability. So a bunch of third world rats will be given authority over American sovereignty and the 2nd Amendment-yeah, Obama is totally for gun ownership. 2) They're called gun burial vaults and they are 100% moisture proof... and you might read up on the original militia. They didn't keep their arms at home because the British searched homes frequently. 3) You post a made up "fact" from Handgun Inc or the Brady Group and still won't say what you think: guns need banned. If you don't think that, all your protestations of the dangers of guns is schizophrenic. For context, I was raised in a home with 16 kids and 20+ guns-shockingly, no accidents or deaths. I have 3 kids and as many as 30 guns(only 3 now) and no deaths or accidents. Pay no attention to the fool behind the curtain.
PVC pipe works well. Just use teflon tape on the threads. I know someone who bought a few SKS back when you could get them for 99 bux with a 500 round tin of ammo. He burried the guns and ammo just in case. Guns are still wrapped with the cosmoline. They should be good for years. I don't go to that extreme but I do have a few items in places I don't think they would be found.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/40#post_3457400
Mantis, I've had as many guns as you, if not more. I have just two today. But I don't sit around worrying whether Obama's Anti-Gun Brigade will come banging down my door to confiscate what I do have.
This isn't the 1700's. I don't see anyone trying to invade the US to take it over, nor do I see the Feds infringing on any of my Constitutional rights. You sit here and make all these suppositions about Obama wanting to repeal the 2nd Amendment, or even restrict it to some degree, yet you see people walking around with every weapon imaginable. Do you honestly believe Congress would allow the UN to come in and disarm American citizens? Agian, paranoia will destroy ya! People like you are the one's who over-react to a situation, and are likely to start something that shouldn't have been started in the first place. Just go on thinking someone's coming after you and your guns. I personally won't lose any sleep over it.
Would you believe a president would favor "Skyrocketing" energy prices to push a green energy agenda? I don't trust this clown. I ain't burrying guns (yet) but I do believe he will do something to mess with the ammo supply.
 

darthtang aw

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Would you believe a president would favor "Skyrocketing" energy prices to push a green energy agenda? I don't trust this clown. I ain't burrying guns (yet) but I do believe he will do something to mess with the ammo supply.
You mean such as getting elected?
 

darthtang aw

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"In fact law-abiding citizens in America used guns in self-defense 2.5 million times during 1993 (about 6,850 times per day), and actually shot and killed 2 1/2 times as many criminals as police did (1,527 to 606). Those civilian self-defense shootings resulted in less than 1/5th as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%)."
Now that is an interesting statistic.
 

mantisman51

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So I went and test drove some AR15's yesterday. I figured what better way to say, "I love you" to the missus. I was going to buy the standard Colt M2, but the dealer showed me a CMMG AR15 M4 that was loaded to the gills. Had the nice universal rail and quick break down feature and it was like a Swiss Army knife. Of course I want one that I can mount a Vietnam era carry handle and heat shield, so he said he'll take the rail sight off and at no charge give me the handle sight in it's place for no charge. My wife's gonna kick me in a sensitive place, but I'm going to go ahead and "buy it for her".
 

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/40#post_3457608
So I went and test drove some AR15's yesterday. I figured what better way to say, "I love you" to the missus. I was going to buy the standard Colt M2, but the dealer showed me a CMMG AR15 M4 that was loaded to the gills. Had the nice universal rail and quick break down feature and it was like a Swiss Army knife. Of course I want one that I can mount a Vietnam era carry handle and heat shield, so he said he'll take the rail sight off and at no charge give me the handle sight in it's place for no charge. My wife's gonna kick me in a sensitive place, but I'm going to go ahead and "buy it for her".

 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/40#post_3457608
So I went and test drove some AR15's yesterday. I figured what better way to say, "I love you" to the missus. I was going to buy the standard Colt M2, but the dealer showed me a CMMG AR15 M4 that was loaded to the gills. Had the nice universal rail and quick break down feature and it was like a Swiss Army knife. Of course I want one that I can mount a Vietnam era carry handle and heat shield, so he said he'll take the rail sight off and at no charge give me the handle sight in it's place for no charge. My wife's gonna kick me in a sensitive place, but I'm going to go ahead and "buy it for her".

Nuthin' say lovin' more than a 50-rounf clip salute. Most women prefer flowers, dinner, and maybe some jewelry for V-Day. Must be an Arizona thing...
 

mantisman51

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Must be, my wife's friend was showing off the .40 cal that her husband bought her for her purse for Valentines Day. Here, a rapist would be terrified. There are so many women packing, it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/40#post_3457931
Must be, my wife's friend was showing off the .40 cal that her husband bought her for her purse for Valentines Day. Here, a rapist would be terrified. There are so many women packing, it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Aint just an Arizona thing. I know a lot of women in Wyoming, Montana and California who loved shooting. And in fact, my Aunt (uncle's wife) had her T E X A S brother come for a visit mentioned he had his wife's gun with him. What's really funny is he also had a Democrat strong bumper sticker on his car. He was a Democrat precinct committee man or something like that. I guess they all aren't paranoid when it comes to guns.
 

oscardeuce

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Ok, I'll bite and add my $0.02
First, the OP is either ignorant of the Craig's list rules, too lazy to look into them or just trying to stir the pot or get false information out to the masses. As was noted CL prohibits about anyting directly firearm related.
Second, Mr Rossen needs to do a little more research. He states:" . The online ad was for a 50-caliber sniper rifle, the most powerful gun legally sold in the U.S.: bullet range 5 miles. It can pierce armored vehicles, even bring down a helicopter"
Fact check: While the .50 BMG sniper rifle in either bolt action or semi auto is a powerful gun, it is not "the most powerful gun legally sold in the US". You can legally buy full auto ( class 3) .50 M2 class machine guns here in the US. They fire between 600-1000 rounds per minute ( belt fed and thus only limited by barrel cooling), and I would argue are more powerful based fired rounds per minute of the same .50 BMG round.
Want "more power"? How about the 20mm cannon from a WWII P-38 Lightning fighter plane: http://cannonsuperstore.com/hispanosuiza.html. Just pay your tax stamp, and it comes with plenty of ammo.
For those of you wanting something completely different http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=145722 a nice grenade launcher. Registered as a destructive device. You too could own it if you pay the tax stamp and can legally own a handgun.
I can go on all day with "more powerful" fire arms than a wimpy .50 BMG sniper rifle.
Fact check 2: Taking down the helicopter
While a .50 BMG sniper rifle is well capable of doing said deed, it is not the only one. My O2-A was almost brought down by an AK-47 round to the tail in Viet Nam. I have the pics of the damage to prove it. .223, 30.06, 7.62 NATO ALL could bring down a chopper. Most choppers have little armor. I flew a UH-1H for a museum, and the only armor it had protected the pilots ( somewhat). No armor to the engine transmission or either the main or tail rotor hubs.
As to the "paranoid" outlook of many gun owners:
The EPA recently tried to limit lead bullet production and ownership buy taxing the lead ( one of the " under the radar" methods President Obama spoke of). Thankfully with some help from Congress and The People the regulatory agency saw it had no power to change the 2nd Amendment. http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2010/08/27/epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests
Overall are there people out there looking to make a quick buck? Yes, but they are the exception, not the rule. I have sold handguns on line and used a reputable on line aution site. I used a FFL for the middle man. I sent them the SN of the pistol, they checked not only the pistol's history, but that of the buyer. The other buyer I sold to gave me copies of his current CCW card, state issued ID before I gave him the guns. At the very least in Ohio I have to confirm age and Ohio residence before selling privately. I can say I go above and beyond to protect myself and others.
Gotta love a hit piece. I wonder how many sellers told them to pound salt rather than sell to them?
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/40#post_3457430
"In fact law-abiding citizens in America used guns in self-defense 2.5 million times during 1993 (about 6,850 times per day), and actually shot and killed 2 1/2 times as many criminals as police did (1,527 to 606). Those civilian self-defense shootings resulted in less than 1/5th as many incidents as police where an innocent person was mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%)."
Now that is an interesting statistic.
I gotta wonder how much tax money was saved, no public defender, no courtroom costs, no jail time, no appeals, no last supper........no bad guy!
 
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