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[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/80#post_3460481
They can't do squat. Again, the treaty has to do with exportation of firearms to international countries. Go do a Google on "UN gun treaty". Your "expert" opinions come from sites called www.buckeyefirearms.org, www.thetruthaboutguns.com, forums.gunsandammo.com, gunowners.org, and a few hundred other pro-gun advocate blog sites. We've been hearing from gun nuts for the last three years how Obama is going to tell you what guns you can buy, and how much ammo you can own. What's hilarious is all this did was drive the prices up on those products because the conspiracy theorist like mantis went out and stockpiled ammo, which ended up inflating the cost. It's been over a year since I've heard people screaming they would restrict ammo purchases, and I walked into my local Bass Pro Shops the other day, and the aisles were full to the hilt with every guage of ammo you needed. My buddy bought 3 boxes of .45 hollow points for $19.99 that were on sale. He also picked up a couple boxes of .223 for his AR-15 that we went out and shot this past weekend. Watch out reef. Those lights you see flickering in the sky? Aliens coming back to pick up their lost brothers in Roswell.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp
How can snopes provide information on a treaty that is still being drafted? No agenda there LOL!
And how much was that same ammunition 3 years ago? I stocked up June of 08 and saved a fortune.The threat of 0bama drove prices up and his policies have held them there. Pulling the military brass out of the reloader market made a big difference. I just bought some 45 colt and ended up buying cowboy rounds to get the brass to reload. Also picked up some 45 ACP Zombie rounds LOL. At any rate I priced 223 rounds and they are way up over what I paid PO (pre 0bama) I bought Federal for 7.39 per box of 20. Care to take a guess what the stuff sells for today? FROM THE SAME ONLINE STORE? Put a one in front of that price.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460500
How can snopes provide information on a treaty that is still being drafted? No agenda there LOL!
And how much was that same ammunition 3 years ago? I stocked up June of 08 and saved a fortune.The threat of 0bama drove prices up and his policies have held them there. Pulling the military brass out of the reloader market made a big difference. I just bought some 45 colt and ended up buying cowboy rounds to get the brass to reload. Also picked up some 45 ACP Zombie rounds LOL. At any rate I priced 223 rounds and they are way up over what I paid PO (pre 0bama) I bought Federal for 7.39 per box of 20. Care to take a guess what the stuff sells for today? FROM THE SAME ONLINE STORE? Put a one in front of that price.
Snopes is just reporting the falacies of this stupid conspiracy that started way back in 2009. As you stated, it's still being drafted. So what is the point in you, Darth, and mantis ranting and raving about something that hasn't even come to fruition? Oh that's right. Some college professor told you it would happen, so of course we're supposed to believe him.

Blame the rising prices on the scare tactics all your fellow gun nuts spouted when Obama came into office. You literally shot yourself in the foot with your own arrogance and conspiracy theories. Also, go look at the cost of brass and lead as compared to 3 years ago. Ammo manufacturers aren't stupid. Take advantage of an opportunity while it's controversial. Capitalism at its finest.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460508
Snopes is just reporting the falacies of this stupid conspiracy that started way back in 2009. As you stated, it's still being drafted. So what is the point in you, Darth, and mantis ranting and raving about something that hasn't even come to fruition? Oh that's right. Some college professor told you it would happen, so of course we're supposed to believe him.

Blame the rising prices on the scare tactics all your fellow gun nuts spouted when Obama came into office. You literally shot yourself in the foot with your own arrogance and conspiracy theories. Also, go look at the cost of brass and lead as compared to 3 years ago. Ammo manufacturers aren't stupid. Take advantage of an opportunity while it's controversial. Capitalism at its finest.
Because these provisions are being pushed both by and on those drafting the treaty. Remember the clown in the oval office supported an all out ban on the sale and possession of handguns and semi auto riffles as recent as 1996. We need to keep the heat on him lest we get sold down the river.
The prices would have come back down except for 0bama's actions. With another election to worry about he still pulled the brass deal. What happens if he gets another term? As soon as my wife's inheritance comes through I am putting some money in arms. Saved money last time, hopefully I can make some this time

 

[mantisman51]

Dissent is always called paranoia by those whose party is in power. I remember when the Patriot Act was being debated and those of us who opposed it were called paranoid. It was mostly liberals who were as vocal as I in opposing it. I still oppose it. It was the first step in taking away Constitutional rights that has evolved into this new defense bill that allows the military to arrest, without charges, any citizen the military deems a danger of being a terrorist. Bionic, I hope I am wrong. I hope that I have allowed my mind to take a flight of fancy so far into the absurd realm of improbality that there is no chance of any of this happening. But, did you think our government would be allowed to detain American citizens without charges or trial just 5 years ago? That frightening scenario has now become law. I hope your right and I am just a right-wing radical nut job whacko. Because the chaos that will ensue if they get what they even admit they want will be the end of our republic.

 

[darthtang aw]

Snopes is just reporting the falacies of this stupid conspiracy that started way back in 2009.  As you stated, it's still being drafted. So what is the point in you, Darth, and mantis ranting and raving about something that hasn't even come to fruition?  Oh that's right.  Some college professor told you it would happen, so of course we're supposed to believe him.:^^&:
Blame the rising prices on the scare tactics all your fellow gun nuts spouted when Obama came into office.  You literally shot yourself in the foot with your own arrogance and conspiracy theories.  Also, go look at the cost of brass and lead as compared to 3 years ago.  Ammo manufacturers aren't stupid.  Take advantage of an opportunity while it's controversial.  Capitalism at its finest.
I am ranting and raving? Snopes debunks emails....that is all they are debunking is a circulated email. Nothing else.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460568
I am ranting and raving? Snopes debunks emails....that is all they are debunking is a circulated email. Nothing else.
Read the FactCheck article. Like reef said, there isn't even a draft in place. Yet, you people SWEAR all these evil Socialist/Dictatorship theories will come true. They've been claiming this will happen for the last 3 years. The only reason it's come to light today is 2012 is when the UN was planning to bring it to the table. But it's still only talk and conjecture.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460564
Dissent is always called paranoia by those whose party is in power. I remember when the Patriot Act was being debated and those of us who opposed it were called paranoid. It was mostly liberals who were as vocal as I in opposing it. I still oppose it. It was the first step in taking away Constitutional rights that has evolved into this new defense bill that allows the military to arrest, without charges, any citizen the military deems a danger of being a terrorist. Bionic, I hope I am wrong. I hope that I have allowed my mind to take a flight of fancy so far into the absurd realm of improbality that there is no chance of any of this happening. But, did you think our government would be allowed to detain American citizens without charges or trial just 5 years ago? That frightening scenario has now become law. I hope your right and I am just a right-wing radical nut job whacko. Because the chaos that will ensue if they get what they even admit they want will be the end of our republic.
What American citizen has been detained without charges for over 5 years? Oh wait, don't tell me. You think it was unjust that Anwar al-Awlaki got toasted by a US drone because he was an American citizen and was accused without getting a fair trial. Didn't matter the guy was a known Jihaddist that had terrorist ties a mile long.

 

[theclemsonkid]

"If approved, the treaty would restart mutual inspections while limiting the United States and Russia to 1,550 nuclear warheads and 700 launchers each".
Well, that's good to know. Just in case we go into all out nuclear war, it's nice that the US and Russia will have enough firepower to not only destroy the earth in its entirety, but also blow most of the other planets in the solar system away as well. That's not over kill or anything.

 

[darthtang aw]

Read the FactCheck article.  Like reef said, there isn't even a draft in place.  Yet, you people SWEAR all these evil Socialist/Dictatorship theories will come true.  They've been claiming this will happen for the last 3 years.  The only reason it's come to light today is 2012 is when the UN was planning to bring it to the table.  But it's still only talk and conjecture. 
Pay attention.....I was the first person in this discussion to point out it is still in the draft stages. You read about as well as hellen keller.
And what does the fact check article have to do with snopes? I was ONLY ADDRESSING YOUR SNOPES COMMENT. Fact check is a separate entity. I did not challenge this, did I?

 

[mantisman51]

1) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57343287/wh-oks-military-detention-of-terrorism-suspects/ They can detain, indefinitely without charges or a trial, anyone who is accused of being a terrorist-including American citizens. I even used Communist Broadcasting Service as the source. (;
2) I must have wrote that incorrectly. 5 years ago, would you have thought the above mentioned law would be possible in America?
3) I agree with parts of the Patriot Act, but it goes too far and makes the above mentioned insanity seem not so bad. It was the slippery slope.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460602
1) http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57343287/wh-oks-military-detention-of-terrorism-suspects/ They can detain, indefinitely without charges or a trial, anyone who is accused of being a terrorist-including American citizens. I even used Communist Broadcasting Service as the source. (;
2) I must have wrote that incorrectly. 5 years ago, would you have thought the above mentioned law would be possible in America?
3) I agree with parts of the Patriot Act, but it goes too far and makes the above mentioned insanity seem not so bad. It was the slippery slope.
Did you read the first line?
"The White House is signing off on a controversial new law that would authorize the U.S. military to arrest and indefinitely detain alleged al Qaeda members or other terrorist operatives captured on American soil."
And you have a problem with detaining possible terrorist that can do another 9/11? If an American citizen is show to be associated with that group, they are as good as being considered a traitor, and lose all their rights and privileges afforded to them as a citizen of this country. I highly doubt that the military would randomly grab someone because they received second or third-hand information of an individual's association with a terrorist organization. More sensationalism from the Right.

 

[darthtang aw]

Did you read the first line?
"The White House is signing off on a controversial new law that would authorize the U.S. military to arrest and indefinitely detain alleged al Qaeda members or other terrorist operatives captured on American soil."
And you have a problem with detaining possible terrorist that can do another 9/11?  If an American citizen is show to be associated with that group, they are as good as being considered a traitor, and lose all their rights and privileges afforded to them as a citizen of this country.  I highly doubt that the military would randomly grab someone because they received second or third-hand information of an individual's association with a terrorist organization.  More sensationalism from the Right. 
Even traitors are afforded the right to a fair and speedy trial as U.S. citizens.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460639
Even traitors are afforded the right to a fair and speedy trial as U.S. citizens.
Define "fair and speedy trial". There was a woman here in San Antonio who just got a whopping 2 year prison sentence for DUI after hitting a car head on, causing a female passenger to split her head wide open and splatter her brain matter all over the windshield. She was out on bail for 4 YEARS waiting for her trial. Even had the luxury of getting married and having a second child while she was out.
Guess we should change our standards to Iraqi Law. There trials occur in less than 30 days. Look how fast it took them to hang Sadaam.

 

[reefraff]

Someone being out on bail awaiting trial is a whole different animal than holding someone indefinitely. I am not even sure that would hold up to a court challenge with a foreign national arrested in this country, let alone a citizen.

 

[stdreb27]

you know they've always been able to do that, (not that I agree with it) but we've interned all sorts of people over the years. Court backed without the law.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460756
Someone being out on bail awaiting trial is a whole different animal than holding someone indefinitely. I am not even sure that would hold up to a court challenge with a foreign national arrested in this country, let alone a citizen.
Define "indefintely". That's the gray area that isn't being discussed. That word envisions the person simply "disappears". I find it unlikely that they could detain a person an indefinite period of time without some sort of legal representation, even if they are a foreigner much less an American citizen.

 

[mantisman51]

No, I won't argue semantics. The same people that got an unConstitutional bypass of the 6th Amendment wouldn't give 1 seconds thought to bypassing the 2nd Amendment. That is the issue and we all know it is the truth. Arguing about definitions is so Bill Clinton-what is is?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/390399/want-a-gun-just-buy-it-on-craigslist/100#post_3460759
Define "indefintely". That's the gray area that isn't being discussed. That word envisions the person simply "disappears". I find it unlikely that they could detain a person an indefinite period of time without some sort of legal representation, even if they are a foreigner much less an American citizen.
If they caught a lone wolf they could make them vanish into thin air. In the case of someone with friends on the outside they would have a hard time holding them with no indictment or charges being filed.

 

[mantisman51]

Our freedom and rights shouldn't depend on having friends that notice you're missing. According to the Preamble of the Constitution, our rights are given by our Creator(suck on that secularists) and the government can't take them because the government doesn't give them. Our rights, according to Thomas Jefferson, is as guaranteed as the air we breathe. I am sickened that so many Americans see the government as the grantor of freedom. It isn't, it is the abuser and taker of freedom. That is why the GOVERNMENT, not the people, is restricted by the Constitution.

 

[darthtang aw]

Define "fair and speedy trial".  There was a woman here in San Antonio who just got a whopping 2 year prison sentence for DUI after hitting a car head on, causing a female passenger to split her head wide open and splatter her brain matter all over the windshield.  She was out on bail for 4 YEARS waiting for her trial.  Even had the luxury of getting married and having a second child while she was out.
Guess we should change our standards to Iraqi Law. There trials occur in less than 30 days.  Look how fast it took them to hang Sadaam.
How many motions and delays did her lawyer file on her behalf? Usually this is the case with most trials that take longer than usual. The defense lawyer bogs down the trial. Regardless, a four year trial process while out on bail (another right afforded to U.S. citizens taken by this law) is not indefinite inturnment.