lovethesea
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oh, banana cream is pretty darned yummy too
and bananas were the apes favorite food :thinking:
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hagfish
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Originally Posted by turboeel
There is all types of evidence to prove evolution. There is Morphological evidence and Genetic sequence evidence.
The evolutionary process can be exceedingly slow. Fossil evidence indicates that the diversity and complexity of modern life has developed over much of the age of the earth. Geological evidence indicates that the Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old.
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
There is all types of evidence to prove evolution. There is Morphological evidence and Genetic sequence evidence.
The evolutionary process can be exceedingly slow. Fossil evidence indicates that the diversity and complexity of modern life has developed over much of the age of the earth. Geological evidence indicates that the Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old.
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
J
jdragunas
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Originally Posted by lovethesea
oh, banana cream is pretty darned yummy too
and bananas were the apes favorite food :thinking:
oooh!!! did you ever have vanilla pudding with bananas and vanilla wafers??? that's like my fav. dessert ever!!! :cheer:
totally agree with you hagfish!!! all evolutionists have found is just fossils of species that look alike with some differences. Where are all of the fossils of the species in between? We're just assuming these species evolved from eachother, but there is no evidence of that. IMO, those are just different species that have all become extinct...
and this is not to offend anyone, just giving my $0.02!
oh, banana cream is pretty darned yummy too
oooh!!! did you ever have vanilla pudding with bananas and vanilla wafers??? that's like my fav. dessert ever!!! :cheer:
totally agree with you hagfish!!! all evolutionists have found is just fossils of species that look alike with some differences. Where are all of the fossils of the species in between? We're just assuming these species evolved from eachother, but there is no evidence of that. IMO, those are just different species that have all become extinct...
and this is not to offend anyone, just giving my $0.02!
celacanthr
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Originally Posted by hagfish
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
That is true...there are many missing links.
As for the "How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life" You could say that viruses, since they aren't quite living but not quite inanimate, are the missing links. But since viruses need living things to reproduce, then it would seem that they evolved (if you believe in evolution) after other organisms.
CE(wow...I agreed with someone...)LA
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
That is true...there are many missing links.
As for the "How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life" You could say that viruses, since they aren't quite living but not quite inanimate, are the missing links. But since viruses need living things to reproduce, then it would seem that they evolved (if you believe in evolution) after other organisms.
CE(wow...I agreed with someone...)LA
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jdragunas
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hag, don't you remember, there was nothing, and then all of a sudden, BANG... the earth and life from nothing! totally makes sense!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
hagfish
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Originally Posted by jdragunas
hag, don't you remember, there was nothing, and then all of a sudden, BANG... the earth and life from nothing! totally makes sense!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
As far as big bang, I think that supports intelligent design more that the previous theory as Carl Sagan put it. That is, "the universe is all there is, was, and ever will be". At least big bang leaves open the possibility for the creation of the universe.
Science will catch up eventually.
And CELACANTHr, I meant missing links between species. Not between inanimate and living objects. Although both are relevant and there is no evidence for either at this point. Although some would have you believe there is.
hag, don't you remember, there was nothing, and then all of a sudden, BANG... the earth and life from nothing! totally makes sense!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
As far as big bang, I think that supports intelligent design more that the previous theory as Carl Sagan put it. That is, "the universe is all there is, was, and ever will be". At least big bang leaves open the possibility for the creation of the universe.
Science will catch up eventually.
And CELACANTHr, I meant missing links between species. Not between inanimate and living objects. Although both are relevant and there is no evidence for either at this point. Although some would have you believe there is.
darth tang
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My personal thoughts. If the big bang theory is what you believe, I have a question. What caused the bang. Simple science dictates for every effect there must be a cause. What was the cause?
Evolution, ok if man evolved as well as other species, how come there hasn't been any evolutionary type occurances in the last 1000 years?
How come man hasn't evolved again in the last 200,000 to 300,000 years?
Evolution, ok if man evolved as well as other species, how come there hasn't been any evolutionary type occurances in the last 1000 years?
How come man hasn't evolved again in the last 200,000 to 300,000 years?
ophiura
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IMO there is NO scientific finding whatsoever that can refute the existence of God.
They are different things, science and religion. One is based on logic, and the other, almost by definition, is based on faith. Now historically ministers studied natural history in order to better understand God through his creation....and I continue in that tradition with a different interpretation of how that "creation" came to be.
Yes, there is always the question of "then what caused the Big Bang" and they do have theories on that (in brief, possibly the intersection of two parallel universes...but failure to yet understand or recognize a cause does NOT mean it does not exist), and you can go futher and say "well what caused that" and you will always have a place for God.
The two, IMO, are not mutually exclusive. In my mind, it is not one choice or another. Why can't the mechanism of Creation be what we are finding through science? Why can't the mechanism of Creation be Evolution? Cause I tell you what, when you look at species after species and see a few arm spines different...ya start to wonder if maybe God just got bored if he had to create them all, and so Evolution seems like a far more brilliant plan and example of the Glory....
But I know where many of you think I am going so why bother explaining anything.
There is no point in trying to address any of these questions that are "if there is evolution than why...." because no one will change anyone's mind with the answers.
The problem is that this is a one way street. Either you are a Creationist and find an enemy in the science, or you are an Evolutionist and find an enemy in the faithful, and this is where the problems come in to play, IMO. Few can sit and discuss it without "well if there is this than why isn't this..." and that gets us no where.
I am drawn closer to God through the study of evolution, through the use of my God given skills and mind.
They are different things, science and religion. One is based on logic, and the other, almost by definition, is based on faith. Now historically ministers studied natural history in order to better understand God through his creation....and I continue in that tradition with a different interpretation of how that "creation" came to be.
Yes, there is always the question of "then what caused the Big Bang" and they do have theories on that (in brief, possibly the intersection of two parallel universes...but failure to yet understand or recognize a cause does NOT mean it does not exist), and you can go futher and say "well what caused that" and you will always have a place for God.
The two, IMO, are not mutually exclusive. In my mind, it is not one choice or another. Why can't the mechanism of Creation be what we are finding through science? Why can't the mechanism of Creation be Evolution? Cause I tell you what, when you look at species after species and see a few arm spines different...ya start to wonder if maybe God just got bored if he had to create them all, and so Evolution seems like a far more brilliant plan and example of the Glory....
But I know where many of you think I am going so why bother explaining anything.
The problem is that this is a one way street. Either you are a Creationist and find an enemy in the science, or you are an Evolutionist and find an enemy in the faithful, and this is where the problems come in to play, IMO. Few can sit and discuss it without "well if there is this than why isn't this..." and that gets us no where.
I am drawn closer to God through the study of evolution, through the use of my God given skills and mind.
darth tang
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Contrary to what I posted, I do agree with you Ophiura. As far as evolution and creation by god going hand in hand. Just playing devil's advocate.
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turboeel
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Originally Posted by hagfish
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
It all starts from simple unicellular organisms.
Give me the missing links. Not speculative missing link either. There are no real missing links. After all of the evidence that has been unearthed, why aren't we finding fossil's of the evolution of species from beginning to end. Sure, there's a handful of examples of legs in a whale or whatever, but it's just speculation that that whale comes from a wolf (as someone above displayed in a video).
There are tons of holes in evolution. How about telling me how something came to life one day when before that there was no life?
It all starts from simple unicellular organisms.
turboeel
Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
hag, don't you remember, there was nothing, and then all of a sudden, BANG... the earth and life from nothing! totally makes sense!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
Yeah and I love your theory of religion. You live life by a book that some random person made. Well I tend to agree with whats factual and scientific. Oops, I hope I didn't offend anyone. :scared:
hag, don't you remember, there was nothing, and then all of a sudden, BANG... the earth and life from nothing! totally makes sense!!!
once again, not meant to offend anyone!!!
Yeah and I love your theory of religion. You live life by a book that some random person made. Well I tend to agree with whats factual and scientific. Oops, I hope I didn't offend anyone. :scared:
J
jdragunas
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yeah, all that's factual and scientific is that different species existed. How do you explain the creation of the earth? Where's the evidence that those different species actually evolved into/from eachother... there is not. Both are theories, however, i find mine more believable...
i totally agree with you ophuria. In my arguements against evolution, i do not deny evolution totally, i just think that the whole "we all evolved from single-celled organisms" is a load of crap (no offense
). However, i do believe that we all adapt to survive, and that's the basis of evolution... survival of the fittest.
i totally agree with you ophuria. In my arguements against evolution, i do not deny evolution totally, i just think that the whole "we all evolved from single-celled organisms" is a load of crap (no offense
turboeel
Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
IMO there is NO scientific finding whatsoever that can refute the existence of God.
They are different things, science and religion. One is based on logic, and the other, almost by definition, is based on faith. Now historically ministers studied natural history in order to better understand God through his creation....and I continue in that tradition with a different interpretation of how that "creation" came to be.
Yes, there is always the question of "then what caused the Big Bang" and they do have theories on that (in brief, possibly the intersection of two parallel universes...but failure to yet understand or recognize a cause does NOT mean it does not exist), and you can go futher and say "well what caused that" and you will always have a place for God.
The two, IMO, are not mutually exclusive. In my mind, it is not one choice or another. Why can't the mechanism of Creation be what we are finding through science? Why can't the mechanism of Creation be Evolution? Cause I tell you what, when you look at species after species and see a few arm spines different...ya start to wonder if maybe God just got bored if he had to create them all, and so Evolution seems like a far more brilliant plan and example of the Glory....
But I know where many of you think I am going so why bother explaining anything.
There is no point in trying to address any of these questions that are "if there is evolution than why...." because no one will change anyone's mind with the answers.
The problem is that this is a one way street. Either you are a Creationist and find an enemy in the science, or you are an Evolutionist and find an enemy in the faithful, and this is where the problems come in to play, IMO. Few can sit and discuss it without "well if there is this than why isn't this..." and that gets us no where.
I am drawn closer to God through the study of evolution, through the use of my God given skills and mind.
More than 65 million years ago, Dinosaours ruled the Earth. They have been and will always be the most successful creatures to have ever lived on this Earth. What other type of creature has lived so long and been more successful?
Dinosours did not have the intelligence we have. Its simple. Thet went by instinct and Scientists have evidence to prove that. But anyways, like I said Dinosours main function was to survive the best they could. Evolution is the change over a long period of time. It doesn't just come out of no where. It gradually occurs. It won't happen in a thousand years or even a hundred thousand years unless its some type of mutation like the elephant man or the tallest guy to have ever lived but usually mutations don't live very long unless they benefit from it. Dinosours did not believe in god nor did they congregate every Sunday at a landmark. They are way more successful than humans. Humans are arrogant and clueless. We destroy our Earth with all are pollution, the destruction of habitats and much more. For humans to evolve in the type of society we live in is virtually impossible. LEts see why, oh yes, surgery, medicines, enhancements, injected horomones and drugs are just a few things. Dinosours never took those to live a better life. Mother Nature took place and they evolved. The Survival of the fittest. What makes humans different? Our intelligence. Why should we be different too?
IMO there is NO scientific finding whatsoever that can refute the existence of God.
They are different things, science and religion. One is based on logic, and the other, almost by definition, is based on faith. Now historically ministers studied natural history in order to better understand God through his creation....and I continue in that tradition with a different interpretation of how that "creation" came to be.
Yes, there is always the question of "then what caused the Big Bang" and they do have theories on that (in brief, possibly the intersection of two parallel universes...but failure to yet understand or recognize a cause does NOT mean it does not exist), and you can go futher and say "well what caused that" and you will always have a place for God.
The two, IMO, are not mutually exclusive. In my mind, it is not one choice or another. Why can't the mechanism of Creation be what we are finding through science? Why can't the mechanism of Creation be Evolution? Cause I tell you what, when you look at species after species and see a few arm spines different...ya start to wonder if maybe God just got bored if he had to create them all, and so Evolution seems like a far more brilliant plan and example of the Glory....
But I know where many of you think I am going so why bother explaining anything.
The problem is that this is a one way street. Either you are a Creationist and find an enemy in the science, or you are an Evolutionist and find an enemy in the faithful, and this is where the problems come in to play, IMO. Few can sit and discuss it without "well if there is this than why isn't this..." and that gets us no where.
I am drawn closer to God through the study of evolution, through the use of my God given skills and mind.
More than 65 million years ago, Dinosaours ruled the Earth. They have been and will always be the most successful creatures to have ever lived on this Earth. What other type of creature has lived so long and been more successful?
Dinosours did not have the intelligence we have. Its simple. Thet went by instinct and Scientists have evidence to prove that. But anyways, like I said Dinosours main function was to survive the best they could. Evolution is the change over a long period of time. It doesn't just come out of no where. It gradually occurs. It won't happen in a thousand years or even a hundred thousand years unless its some type of mutation like the elephant man or the tallest guy to have ever lived but usually mutations don't live very long unless they benefit from it. Dinosours did not believe in god nor did they congregate every Sunday at a landmark. They are way more successful than humans. Humans are arrogant and clueless. We destroy our Earth with all are pollution, the destruction of habitats and much more. For humans to evolve in the type of society we live in is virtually impossible. LEts see why, oh yes, surgery, medicines, enhancements, injected horomones and drugs are just a few things. Dinosours never took those to live a better life. Mother Nature took place and they evolved. The Survival of the fittest. What makes humans different? Our intelligence. Why should we be different too?
turboeel
Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
yeah, all that's factual and scientific is that different species existed. How do you explain the creation of the earth? Where's the evidence that those different species actually evolved into/from eachother... there is not. Both are theories, however, i find mine more believable...
i totally agree with you ophuria. In my arguements against evolution, i do not deny evolution totally, i just think that the whole "we all evolved from single-celled organisms" is a load of crap (no offense
). However, i do believe that we all adapt to survive, and that's the basis of evolution... survival of the fittest.
I think that we came from God is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I find it funny how once humans think that we were once created by Gods such as Zeus and all of that. I think Gods is for video games. i mean how did GOd come to be about? He wasn't always there. He did not always exist. Humans are just pathetic sometimes. We think that were centered around this whole universe and that were like the only life forms. You know how many gallexies are out there? Do all of those plantets that have life too believe in the same exact GOd as we do? What has evolved in humans is our intelligence and how we think we got here.
Sorry not to offend.
yeah, all that's factual and scientific is that different species existed. How do you explain the creation of the earth? Where's the evidence that those different species actually evolved into/from eachother... there is not. Both are theories, however, i find mine more believable...
i totally agree with you ophuria. In my arguements against evolution, i do not deny evolution totally, i just think that the whole "we all evolved from single-celled organisms" is a load of crap (no offense
I think that we came from God is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I find it funny how once humans think that we were once created by Gods such as Zeus and all of that. I think Gods is for video games. i mean how did GOd come to be about? He wasn't always there. He did not always exist. Humans are just pathetic sometimes. We think that were centered around this whole universe and that were like the only life forms. You know how many gallexies are out there? Do all of those plantets that have life too believe in the same exact GOd as we do? What has evolved in humans is our intelligence and how we think we got here.
Sorry not to offend.
J
jdragunas
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ok, i'm not calling you pathetic, or being a complete jerk like you. I'm simply stating my opinion in a reasonable manner...
i think this thread has gone far enough and should be locked up... JMO
i think this thread has gone far enough and should be locked up... JMO
turboeel
Member
Originally Posted by jdragunas
ok, i'm not calling you pathetic, or being a complete jerk like you. I'm simply stating my opinion in a reasonable manner...
i think this thread has gone far enough and should be locked up... JMO
I wasn't calling you pathetic. I was calling the whole human race pathetic. We do not understand that we are choking this Earth. Eventually its going to get destroyed either through warfare, pollution or Global Warming. I am sorry if you took offense to my overwhelming statements but it bothers me all the time whne people don't look at the scientific evidence and say that there are all these missing links. Well of course there is going to be. its not like scientists are going to find every fossil and every answer. Thats why it's just a "theory" right now. In further time, there will be more evidence to prove it.
this thread still has lots of life in it.
ok, i'm not calling you pathetic, or being a complete jerk like you. I'm simply stating my opinion in a reasonable manner...
i think this thread has gone far enough and should be locked up... JMO
I wasn't calling you pathetic. I was calling the whole human race pathetic. We do not understand that we are choking this Earth. Eventually its going to get destroyed either through warfare, pollution or Global Warming. I am sorry if you took offense to my overwhelming statements but it bothers me all the time whne people don't look at the scientific evidence and say that there are all these missing links. Well of course there is going to be. its not like scientists are going to find every fossil and every answer. Thats why it's just a "theory" right now. In further time, there will be more evidence to prove it.
this thread still has lots of life in it.
lovethesea
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Who's up for pie?????/
this is all beginning to all sound very familiar :thinking:
this is all beginning to all sound very familiar :thinking:
lovethesea
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Originally Posted by lovethesea
this is all beginning to all sound very familiar :thinking:
this is all beginning to all sound very familiar :thinking: