What do you think about s-e-x education being taught in the classroom?

[aquaknight]

Alright, we have the opinions of actual parents, what about the opinions of someone who actually went through se-x ed in a public school? Am I the only one?
To be perfectly honest, it was a good thing. Sure, you can learn all the 'moral' issue from your parents, not getting yourself/someone else pregant, abstinence, etc. HOWEVER, I would much, much, prefer to learn the technicalities of intercoruse from someone else. Which we did. They never went any of the moral issues, they simply addressed several topics, how such and such works, how embryos are formed, etc. I would definitely not want my Mom/Dad showing me a slideshow of different STD's, or illustrating how to use a condom. I don't know where to begin with the creepy.....

 

[renogaw]

i went through se-x ed in school, over (gah) 15? years ago. my parents never had the talk with me. i agree, i'd much rather have the teachers talk about it than the parents.
but, i'd rather it be parents or teachers over some little hornball takling to my daughter.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2634545
i went through se-x ed in school, over (gah) 15? years ago. my parents never had the talk with me. i agree, i'd much rather have the teachers talk about it than the parents.
but, i'd rather it be parents or teachers over some little hornball takling to my daughter.
Isn't your daughter like a month or two old? How many hornballs live in your neighborhood?

 

[alix2.0]

s3x education at our school is 100% abstinence, which i think is rediculous. some teacher saying "dont do it AT ALL" isnt going to make you not do it. i think that if they insist on teaching it, they should teach about being safe, so the kids that do do it at least know how to protect themselves.
we had "family issues" in 5th grade once a week for 6 weeks
"abstinence- the smart choice" in 6th grade twice a week for maybe 3 weeks
"abstinence & STDs" in 7th and 8th grade for about 4 weeks a year
and "CATS / Abstinence" (Concerned About Teen S3xuality) in health, which i took when i was a freshman. lasted i think a week.
in the past 4 years weve had about 10 pregnant girls in the highschool and middle school. hmmm, i dont think its working.

 

[renogaw]

Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2634574
Isn't your daughter like a month or two old? How many hornballs live in your neighborhood?

3 months.
but, looking at all the 2-3yo's in my neighborhood is like looking at the boy's i'm going to have to shoot when they want to date her in 30 years...

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2634608
3 months.
but, looking at all the 2-3yo's in my neighborhood is like looking at the boy's i'm going to have to shoot when they want to date her in 30 years...
i see another "man thread" in the making. lol, "what's the best gun to shoot googly eyed boys with?"

 

[nacl freak]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2634596
s3x education at our school is 100% abstinence, which i think is rediculous. some teacher saying "dont do it AT ALL" isnt going to make you not do it. i think that if they insist on teaching it, they should teach about being safe, so the kids that do do it at least know how to protect themselves.
we had "family issues" in 5th grade once a week for 6 weeks
"abstinence- the smart choice" in 6th grade twice a week for maybe 3 weeks
"abstinence & STDs" in 7th and 8th grade for about 4 weeks a year
and "CATS / Abstinence" (Concerned About Teen S3xuality) in health, which i took when i was a freshman. lasted i think a week.
in the past 4 years weve had about 10 pregnant girls in the highschool and middle school. hmmm, i dont think its working.
I perceive the "we're gonna do it anyway" mindset. It's a given that teens are going to have ---. It's accepted by their peers. It's glamorized on the programs targeted for teens. The clothes that are available in the stores for pre-teens leave little to the imagination. Purity and virginity are outdated and oh so ho-hum. Yada yada yada

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2634479
This is the single most weak argument I have seen. May as well say you have no right to dictate or wonder how the country should be ran until you have been president then. Because until you have been President of the U.S. you have no idea why President Bush makes the policy decisions he does.
There is some validity to perspectives changing after kids. Totally ignoring an opinion (when her and my final idea is pretty similar) may be a bit far. But her statement was not totally uncalled for (I did say some dumb stuff earlier yesterday.)

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2634608
3 months.
but, looking at all the 2-3yo's in my neighborhood is like looking at the boy's i'm going to have to shoot when they want to date her in 30 years...
I'm with ya... I see the 3-5 year old punks at the park looking at my 1 and 2 year old daughters. Like I don't know what they are thinking...

Little horndogs.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2634529
no but at least in politics. thats why those running have previous experience. senators, congressmen etc.
So then a babysitter has more qualifications to weigh in on this subject than someone that has no children...that is what you are saying.
If you don't have kids then you don't understand. Basically the same as me saying, if you have never ran a country, then you don't understand...thus none of us are even qualified to vote as we don't understand the job of president....

 

[armywife1314]

the difference is that this is our country that we are all involved in. if you dont have kids you dont have a say in what they should be taught. having kids and being president are nowhere near the same subject.

 

[darthtang aw]

On subject. I had the talk with my dad when I was younger, the talk also involved drugs cigs and alcohol. Later in school --- ed didn't tell me anything my my parents hadn't told me already. and on top of it, the year after --- ed, 2 girls came down with aids and 7 were pregnant...yeah that class worked. My graduating class had 75 kids in it....so 10 percent with in a year didn't learn anything in that class....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2634657
the difference is that this is our country that we are all involved in. if you dont have kids you dont have a say in what they should be taught. having kids and being president are nowhere near the same subject.
faulty again, A "poor" person can vote to have their elected official take away more taxes from a "rich" person. That poor person has no where near the understanding of what it took for the rich person to become rich, so how can they dictate the government should take a higher percentage than the poor? It is the same thing.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2634657
the difference is that this is our country that we are all involved in. if you dont have kids you dont have a say in what they should be taught. having kids and being president are nowhere near the same subject.
Oh and everyone should have a say in what the kids are being taught, parents or not, as the children of today also help dictate and set up our own future and potential well being. If we aren't teaching them well in school, they might not know how to change my diaper when I am old. Lord knows anyone without kids is screwed as since they never changed a diaper they won't know how....

 

[armywife1314]

and what about the kids with no parents, the ones that are raised by the system, or the dead beats that shouldnt even be parents. granted there will always be teen pregnancy and stds but how many are saved from those things by having someone give them the correct information. the thing is, is that this topic will always be taboo just because of the fact that you cant relive the same life twice and you cant see what could have happend if you did or didnt have that class. but me as a parent i will talk to my kids about ---, drugs, alcohol and life in general but i dont know how my kids will be as teens or if they will even listen to what i have to say. just in case they dont listen and for those kids how have no one to tell the right things to do and not to do when it comes to --- and abstinence i would hope that the school would at least have some sort of class to help for the ones that are too scared to go ask a counselor.

 

[renogaw]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2634669
On subject. I had the talk with my dad when I was younger, the talk also involved drugs cigs and alcohol. Later in school --- ed didn't tell me anything my my parents hadn't told me already. and on top of it, the year after --- ed, 2 girls came down with aids and 7 were pregnant...yeah that class worked. My graduating class had 75 kids in it....so 10 percent with in a year didn't learn anything in that class....
sry darth, but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
let me ask you something, what would have been the % if your class HADNT had the se-x ed? maybe higher?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/2634685
sry darth, but you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
let me ask you something, what would have been the % if your class HADNT had the se-x ed? maybe higher?
To be honest, I don't think it would have been much different. It was a smal community. most of my friends had "the talk" before I did....but I do see the point...It mighty make a difference, but The schools should give the parents the opportunity to give the talk before the school does.

 

[armywife1314]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2634678
faulty again, A "poor" person can vote to have their elected official take away more taxes from a "rich" person. That poor person has no where near the understanding of what it took for the rich person to become rich, so how can they dictate the government should take a higher percentage than the poor? It is the same thing.
and what would you consider a "poor" person to be. a non-millionaire or a bum on the streets? because i dont know many bums but i doubt they vote. and middle class all i can say is that is most of america and if your one of those millionaires i would hope that you would have less tax breaks and more taxes taken out than a middle class citizen.

 

[renogaw]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2634692
To be honest, I don't think it would have been much different. It was a smal community. most of my friends had "the talk" before I did....but I do see the point...It mighty make a difference, but The schools should give the parents the opportunity to give the talk before the school does.
i'm not sure when your time frame was, but the national averages were much higher than 10% back in the 90's.
and yes, i completely agree--parents should have the talk before the schools, but either one before a peer is the best scenario in my book.

 

[sharkbait9]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2634217
I'm sorry, I've been in a bad mood all day, and have basically been trolling this a bit. I shouldn't have and am sorry.
That’s cool. We all have those days.
Some times when I see a subject like this I will go in head strong. If I came across a little to strong to you or anyone I too am sorry.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2634217
First off and formost, i feel that this (along with how to brush your teeth health lessons) are the parent not the government's job. Now that being said I do realise the quality of parenting or more appropriately lack of quality parenting today. So I can understand the need for some instruction on the subject..
You just hit the nail on the head. Parents are not parenting kids today. Parents want to be their kids friends and that does nothing but cause kids to be lash out with out ever knowing discipline and consequences. Much like all these new laws our government is imposing on the people. The good suffer for the few knuckle draggers who can’t or don’t want to be a parent. Its for a while teen pre_gnancy now its std’s again that are starting to rise, not much but its starting to again.
So my opinion is when I have kids I hope that I can have an open forum and communication with my kids the way we had with our parents.
If the schools teach se-x ed then that ok too. They are the professionals when it comes to appropriate age lessons. Not me I just help fix wounds and put out fires.
At first yeah when I read that 5-6 graders were getting se-x ed I was a little taken back. After my wife started clueing me into the questions girls were asking, I had to come to the realization that once again times are changing and I’m falling back a little and getting out of touch.
Look at these kids now. They take ---- photos of themselves and email/text them to their girlfriend or boyfriend and they end up on the internet. I my self nor my wife or her colleagues can really pinpoint why kids are such exhibitionist, but they are. It getting to the point where these pictures are showing up in schools and teachers have to deal with.
Then when they do the teachers get the “not my kid” My kid doesn’t do anything wrong and your just picking on them” That’s the mentality of a lot of parents today. Where as when I was growing up that kind of action lead to a foot in a$$. Before anyone hits that note no I was not abused my any means, my parents expected their kids to be respectful and act appropriately.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2634217/>
I'm sorry, I've been in a bad mood all day, and have basically been trolling this a bit. I shouldn't have and am sorry.
That being said, I won't now. However I will explain my actual views, without the puffery and salacious language that was previously included.
First off and formost, i feel that this (along with how to brush your teeth health lessons) are the parent not the government's job. Now that being said I do realise the quality of parenting or more appropriately lack of quality parenting today. So I can understand the need for some instruction on the subject.
That being said, the cliche "banana and the condom" type instruction has no place in a jr high or really school setting. Imo the more graphic "safe ---" instruction is condoning the act. And is illegal for minors since they can't legally consent. It is condoning illegal action. (not really wanting to argue the law and its validity or effectiveness)
I do think this is what I'd do. .
I have to stop you right their. Do you know how many teens come into the ER with con-doms in them that broke, came off, ripped? You would be surprised.
Don’t answer this but when you first got active did you know how a con-dom was applied? Did you know to remove the air from inside? Did you know to leave space for the reservoir?
In the heat of the moment teens are not going to take the time to rip the box open and read the instructions. With today’s image they have to act and look cool and act like they know what they are doing. What’s that old saying about teenagers…. When in doubt ask your teen kid cause they know it all.