What exactly is God's plan?

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I honestly could care less if there's one or not.  I just don't understand how people mold their lives around a belief that a God MAY exist.  There was an article a few weeks ago where a woman went a month or two following every statement and edict that was written in the Bible.  It was an interesting perspective as to how one book had such control over a person's everyday life.  The hardest part she had with it was the "honoring and bowing down" to her husband.
Do you have an issue with people that mold their lives around the green movement trying to save the planet? It is very similar.
 
beth

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bionic, people who mold their life around a belief in God, have no feeling that God "may" exist. He does exist, which is why they follow their faith.
Why are you so engrossed in these topics I wonder? Its taking up a lot of your energy in these forums for something that you dismiss or don't care about.
 
reefraff

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I know a "recovering catholic". He has the same hostility towards religion Bionic does. In his case his parents had shoved their religion down their kid's throats their whole life. I suppose I can understand the resentment but it isn't healthy. Kinda like listening to Bill Mahr (another recovering Catholic) discuss the issue.
 
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I actually have a few things to say but don't have my laptop in front of me. I will go ahead and post little later.
Oh yea, I'm back btw.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499449
bionic, people who mold their life around a belief in God, have no feeling that God "may" exist. He does exist, which is why they follow their faith.
Why are you so engrossed in these topics I wonder? Its taking up a lot of your energy in these forums for something that you dismiss or don't care about.
Prove "He does exist". You can't. His only existence is in faith and your mind.
I find it fasinating the ideologies and thought processes of those that do believe in a higher power. It concerns me because you have people in political power that are making decisions that can and will affect me based on these theories and religious beliefs. If someone wants to have faith, and believe in Heaven and some higher power is a reality, and it provides you comfort and complacency, then please do so. But don't create laws based on that faith because you think "God wants it that way." Your religious faith has no business telling a woman she can't have an abortion, or a homosexual couple they can't be legally married. Religion doesn't trump personal morals or beliefs.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Prove "He does exist".  You can't.  His only existence is in faith and your mind.
I find it fasinating the ideologies and thought processes of those that do believe in a higher power.  It concerns me because you have people in political power that are making decisions that can and will affect me based on these theories and religious beliefs.  If someone wants to have faith, and believe in Heaven and some higher power is a reality, and it provides you comfort and complacency, then please do so.  But don't create laws based on that faith because you think "God wants it that way."  Your religious faith has no business telling a woman she can't have an abortion,  or a homosexual couple they can't be legally married.  Religion doesn't trump personal morals or beliefs.
Like I said. You have no issue with the green movgement trying to "save the planet" from it's destruction. Many believe this is not possible. Yet we have those in power making decisions based off a belief. Their is no scientific evidence hat global warming will result in a population wipeout or the end of the earth. Yet policy is still made off of a "belief" This affects you and I. These two issues are not that different.
 
beth

beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499522
Prove "He does exist". You can't. His only existence is in faith and your mind.
I find it fascinating the ideologies and thought processes of those that do believe in a higher power. It concerns me because you have people in political power that are making decisions that can and will affect me based on these theories and religious beliefs. If someone wants to have faith, and believe in Heaven and some higher power is a reality, and it provides you comfort and complacency, then please do so. But don't create laws based on that faith because you think "God wants it that way." Your religious faith has no business telling a woman she can't have an abortion, or a homosexual couple they can't be legally married. Religion doesn't trump personal morals or beliefs.
Prove he exists? I never tried to prove it. I know very well its a matter of belief.
Actually politicians running for office have nothing to do with this topic in this forum, so your intense interest in such topics here still isn't explained.
And, BTW, our politics is based in a democratic process. So, if religious people feel that a woman should be denied an abortion, then they have the right to vote for politicians that feel the same way. If enough of them use their Constitutionally given right to vote, then, yes, we will have politicians that oppose abortion and gay marriage. Just as we have a president who now supports those things. Conversely, do political figures such as Obama have the right to tell religious institutions that they have to pay for birth control?? Well, I guess we'll find out next Tuesday! LOL American citiizens who vote will decide. You see, bionicarm, you and people that think like you are not dictators in this country, so you don't get to decide by yourself what the laws of the land will be.
 
mantisman51

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I have sound, non-religious facts as to why I oppose homosexuality and abortion. One could lead to the end of the human race if it became dominant and is in opposition to natural order and the other is the ending of a human life. So, those are two of the stupidest "there's no God arguments" I've heard. Secondly, the belief that homosexuality is normal is just an opinion and someone's "morality" just as much as the opposite. So, you make no sense on any point.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499535
I have sound, non-religious facts as to why I oppose homosexuality and abortion. One could lead to the end of the human race if it became dominant and is in opposition to natural order and the other is the ending of a human life. So, those are two of the stupidest "there's no God arguments" I've heard. Secondly, the belief that homosexuality is normal is just an opinion and someone's "morality" just as much as the opposite. So, you make no sense on any point.
And the homophobe speaks again....
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499527
Like I said. You have no issue with the green movgement trying to "save the planet" from it's destruction. Many believe this is not possible. Yet we have those in power making decisions based off a belief. Their is no scientific evidence hat global warming will result in a population wipeout or the end of the earth. Yet policy is still made off of a "belief" This affects you and I. These two issues are not that different.
Tell the people on the East Coast there's no global warming. It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact. The oceans are rising more and more every year. Scientists predicted what happened in the New York area some time ago. If they don't deter from rebuilding dirrectly on the coast, or refuse to put up some sort of barrier reef along that coast, you will see the same results the next time a storm comes through there. Weather patterns have become more violent, snowstorms are bigger, summer's are hotter, winter's are colder. Tornado's are more destructive. The global warming detractor's just brush it off as the Earth just going through some normal cycle. The ozone has been deteriorating since the beginning of the Industrial Age in the 1800's. No one really knows the long-term effects flurocarbons and other pollutants MAN has created will affect our climate in the next 10 years, or 100. People like you whine it affects how businesses operate, but you prefer the almighty dollar over the possibility that global warming is occuring, and it could possibly be the next "destructive event" that will affect millions of people for decades to come.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Tell the people on the East Coast there's no global warming.  It's not a belief, it's a scientific fact.  The oceans are rising more and more every year.  Scientists predicted what happened in the New York area some time ago.  If they don't deter from rebuilding dirrectly on the coast, or refuse to put up some sort of barrier reef along that coast, you will see the same results the next time a storm comes through there.  Weather patterns have become more violent, snowstorms are bigger, summer's are hotter, winter's are colder.  Tornado's are more destructive.  The global warming detractor's just brush it off as the Earth just going through some normal cycle.  The ozone has been deteriorating since the beginning of the Industrial Age in the 1800's.  No one really knows the long-term effects flurocarbons and other pollutants MAN has created will affect our climate in the next 10 years, or 100.  People like you whine it affects how businesses operate, but you prefer the almighty dollar over the possibility that global warming is occuring, and it could possibly be the next "destructive event" that will affect millions of people for decades to come.
Farmers almanac predicts the weather patterns such as hurricanes as well...does that mean it is planet ending worthy?
The possiblity of it affecting the environment on a grand scale is no more out there than you standing before god trying to explain your support of somethings and condoning other actions if not partaking in them all together.
Both are POSSIBILITIES Neither can be proven to definitely occur. Yet you support one, and not the POSSIBILTY of the other....lol...They are the same dogma.
 
mantisman51

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Most married heterosexual males have also experienced an attraction to women who aren't their wives, so what? Society benefits from stable families.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499533
Prove he exists? I never tried to prove it. I know very well its a matter of belief.
Actually politicians running for office have nothing to do with this topic in this forum, so your intense interest in such topics here still isn't explained.
And, BTW, our politics is based in a democratic process. So, if religious people feel that a woman should be denied an abortion, then they have the right to vote for politicians that feel the same way. If enough of them use their Constitutionally given right to vote, then, yes, we will have politicians that oppose abortion and gay marriage. Just as we have a president who now supports those things. Conversely, do political figures such as Obama have the right to tell religious institutions that they have to pay for birth control?? Well, I guess we'll find out next Tuesday! LOL American citiizens who vote will decide. You see, bionicarm, you and people that think like you are not dictators in this country, so you don't get to decide by yourself what the laws of the land will be.
How do you know? You don't think there's some Senator out there that owns a saltwater aquarium?
Religious institutions don't have to pay for birth control, it just provides them the option to purchase if they choose to do so. And please don't say that their premiums would be any lower if contraceptives were omitted from their prescription plan. There's hundred's of drugs on my plan that I would never use. So does that mean I should get a discount on my premiums because of it?
I never claimed to be a dictator. My belief is anything having to do with social issues shouldn't be on ANY political agenda? This country has no business being run under a Theocracy. Keep your religion to yourself. That's where it belongs.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499543
How do you know? You don't think there's some Senator out there that owns a saltwater aquarium?
Religious institutions don't have to pay for birth control, it just provides them the option to purchase if they choose to do so. And please don't say that their premiums would be any lower if contraceptives were omitted from their prescription plan. There's hundred's of drugs on my plan that I would never use. So does that mean I should get a discount on my premiums because of it?
I never claimed to be a dictator. My belief is anything having to do with social issues shouldn't be on ANY political agenda? This country has no business being run under a Theocracy. Keep your religion to yourself. That's where it belongs.
I have to agree with you.
I am an extremely religious person, I don't like abortion, and don't believe in it, but I do feel a woman should have the right to choose, my moral belief should not dictate another persons life.
I also agree with capital punishment, and I think anyone convicted of murder should not ever be released back into society...life in prison should mean exactly that. Parole should not exist if the reason for being in jail caused physical harm to another person. If they can prove innocents thru DNA, great....but releasing a monster on some technical stupid thing like "he never read me my rights" should never be acceptable as a defense. He took all rights from the victim, and the perpetrator deserves no slack of that nature. Frankly if a person was abused (a defense I never understood, if you were beaten why would you go beat on another person since you know how much it hurts?) not fit to stand trial...fine...lock them in a rubber room for the rest of their lives and after treatment and deemed sane...put them in prison to finish their sentence.
And while I'm at it..the kiddie rapists deserve life in prison as well...without the possibility of parole. If a person is so sick as to molest the children...lock them up and throw away the key. They are unfit for society, and can never be cured enough for me to feel the children are safe around them.
If ever there is a politician that promises to do the two things listed above..they will have my vote.
I don't want others teaching my kids about religion, or dictating their moral laws, such as what the Taliban does. I love that religion can be discussed in this Country, but the choice of religion is a personal one. There are too many religions for one to be allowed to trump another. People do learn morals from home, not religion, most religions build hate and intolerance of others different from their beliefs.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499540
Farmers almanac predicts the weather patterns such as hurricanes as well...does that mean it is planet ending worthy?
The possiblity of it affecting the environment on a grand scale is no more out there than you standing before god trying to explain your support of somethings and condoning other actions if not partaking in them all together.
Both are POSSIBILITIES Neither can be proven to definitely occur. Yet you support one, and not the POSSIBILTY of the other....lol...They are the same dogm
Weather patterns are PHYSICAL conditions that climatoligist's and scientist can predict to a very accurate degree. God is a figment of your imagination that you have no PHYSICAL evidence to prove exists.
Like I said, they predicted EXACTLY what would occur if a large hurricane/storm were to hit the New York area, and what the results would be if there was a storm surge of 11 feet or higher. There's these fancy little devices called computers that can analyze data a predict what will occur to a very specific degree of accuracy.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/40#post_3499546
I have to agree with you.
I am an extremely religious person, I don't like abortion, and don't believe in it, but I do feel a woman should have the right to choose, my moral belief should not dictate another persons life.
I also agree with capital punishment, and I think anyone convicted of murder should not ever be released back into society...life in prison should mean exactly that. Parole should not exist if the reason for being in jail caused physical harm to another person. If they can prove innocents thru DNA, great....but releasing a monster on some technical stupid thing like "he never read me my rights" should never be acceptable as a defense. He took all rights from the victim, and the perpetrator deserves no slack of that nature. Frankly if a person was abused (a defense I never understood, if you were beaten why would you go beat on another person since you know how much it hurts?) not fit to stand trial...fine...lock them in a rubber room for the rest of their lives and after treatment and deemed sane...put them in prison to finish their sentence.
And while I'm at it..the kiddie rapists deserve life in prison as well...without the possibility of parole. If a person is so sick as to molest the children...lock them up and throw away the key. They are unfit for society, and can never be cured enough for me to feel the children are safe around them.
If ever there is a politician that promises to do the two things listed above..they will have my vote.
I don't want others teaching my kids about religion, or dictating their moral laws, such as what the Taliban does. I love that religion can be discussed in this Country, but the choice of religion is a personal one. There are too many religions for one to be allowed to trump another. People do learn morals from home, not religion, most religions build hate and intolerance of others different from their beliefs.
Flower, I wish more people who have such a passion for their faith and religion as you had the same sentiments and reasonings. Like I said, I would never begrudge ANYONE their right to believe in God, nor would I ever think of inhibiting a person to practice their faith. But it's a PERSONAL decision that each person must make, and regardless what those beliefs systems are, they should not try and dictate those same beliefs on anyone whose a non-believer.
 
bang guy

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I agree Bionic - I also wish that people who claim to be devoted would spend some time actually reading and interpreting for themselves the text they claim to believe in instead of accepting second hand conversations as the word of God.
 
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