Hi Sip...I'm sorry I ended on the note I did..I had a Hebrew class to go to tonight and hit the submit, I was running late and had to go. I had more to say. I am addressing the concept of why we cry out and not be heard...is God listening and why not. The HOPE is that by understanding a little better the scriptures, it might stave off the bitterness you are feeling.
God most certainly is a refuge, but he is also a very angry God concerning the evils of the world and those who CLAM to be his, and really have no glue what that really means.
As for the verses you emphasized in bold...To love God according to the books is to obey his laws and precepts, to trust in his name is to do the same, regardless of the turmoil around them...stay on track. Those are the ones he made a promise to, to SAY I love you means nothing to God...people SAY allot of things. Actions speak louder than words...That's why you read....IF YOU LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS. The point I'm trying to make is that while we want God to honor our requests, we forget that we have a part to play as well. it's a two way street.
Remember the little stunt the Devil tried...If you are a son of God...jump...Do you really think God will decide to just forget about his law of gravity? Jesus wasn't stupid...he decided to tell the Devil that it was wrong to test God just to see if he will. The law of life and death and what the body can survive is set from the beginning of time. Just as if you mix yellow with red, the color will be orange. If whatever genetic down your blood line, crosses with your wife's bloodline...somehow the law of genetics said a baby born to the pair of you could not survive long....your little one died and nothing could prevent it.
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Siptang http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/80#post_3499905
Flower - Psalm 91
Those who live in the shelter of the Most High will find rest in the shadow of the Almighty.
This I declare about the Lord: He alone is my refuge, my place of safety; he is my God, and I trust him.
For he will rescue you from every trap and protect you from deadly disease.
He will cover you with his feathers. He will shelter you with his wings. His faithful promises are your armor and protection.
Do not be afraid of the terrors of the night, nor the arrow that flies in the day.
Do not dread the disease that stalks in darkness, nor the disaster that strikes at midday.
Though a thousand fall at your side, though ten thousand are dying around you, these evils will not touch you.
Just open your eyes and see how the wicked are punished.
If you make the Lord your refuge, if you make the Most High your shelter, no evil will conquer you; no plague will come near your home.
For he will order his angels to protect you wherever you go.
They will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.
You will trample upon lions and cobras; you will crush fierce lions and serpents under your feet!
The Lord says, “I will rescue those who love me. I will protect those who trust in my name.
When they call on me, I will answer; I will be with them in trouble. I will rescue and honor them.
I will reward them with a long life and give them my salvation.”
Sip, where in all those promises do you read defy death just because you asked him to? Not to mention that you have no idea what love God is talking about... saying you love him means nothing. Love in Hebrew is an action word. What ever happened to the passages that further explain...If you love me, obey my commandments. There are only 10 of them...when was the first time you ever honored the Sabbath?...Do you even know when the Sabbath begins and ends each week?...Do you even know how to honor the Sabbath? I ask about the simple Sabbath law to prove a point...King David, who wrote this Psalm was a law abiding follower of the law of Moses. Those are all promises God made when the covenant was set before the people, he promised to fulfill them IF the people obeyed his commandments. A covenant is a pact between two..each has a part to play for the pact to be honored. Those promises were not just thought out because David loved God.
"By his stripes we are healed" Isaiah 53:4-5...Read Isaiah chapter 1 so you can understand what that wound is, and why we need healing of it.
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7 & Luke 11:9 The ONLY promise here is that if you ask God to let you in, knock, and seek him...you will find him and the door will open. God is not only the God of Israel, but to all people who seek to come to him. God will not turn you away. He didn't say ask for what you want...knock on his door and demand a miracle and he will open up and give you what you want..because you did some great deed by believing he is there..
Where was God when I prayed for my son while he lay lifeless in my arms? Was I not sincere enough? Where was he when I was in such a despair, in need of rescue? I seeked for a miracle and it didn't happen, no doors were opened for me but the door of agony and pain. He not only took away my only son but my unborn child in my wife's womb. I have always believed him, did good deeds and tried to live righteously. Sip...you did not understand the passage correctly. Every person who ever lost a loved one has begged God to not take them. That despair has been felt throughout the ages since death entered into the world.
Sorry if this sounds all bitter and angry and it's because I am bitter looking up these promises and looking back that day just makes my heart want to burst.
But I think I understand the words in the bible pretty clearly....No my hurting friend, I don't think you do, which is why I bothered to explain things a bit for you..
The entire purpose of the Messiah was to draw the people back to God. Jesus always taught us to follow him and be like him. He followed the laws of Moses, he taught that if you wanted to have a place with him...do the commandments, and then some. He taught that after you had done all that was commanded of you..do not say, I am a good person, because you are an unworthy servant, all you have done is what you were supposed to do.
The church may have told you that all you had to do was say the magical prayer, claiming you believe in him and you were all set and ready for heaven. That you could ask God for whatever you want and he will hear you and give you your hearts desire... Well, as you found out the hard way...you were lied to.
Sip...As to why you dear little boy died...God set all things in motion, and the world just spins on and on as it was intended to...Sometimes...SOMETIMES God will intervene, but not very often. A weak something in the genes caused your boy's problem that took him from this world way too soon. Maybe God allowed the unborn child's loss because he didn't want you and your wife to suffer with a loss all over again. Whatever genetics is off may have caused even greater pain for the family if a second child were lost after a few years. We just never know...maybe your wife's grief is still so raw her body couldn't hold up to a pregnancy yet, and later on it will be different..
God seldom steps in and stops death. Precious in the eyes of God are the death of his saints. If he allows even a saint to die, and they went from this world in some horrible pain inflicted on them.... what can we demand of God for a child we love? It is the way of this world that we have to die...death is at the door, and our time is always ready. Jesus stepped in for Lazarus, and raised him from his death, to show God's power to those around him, not because Mary asked him to or was crying ...
Lazarus still had to die later on. People and children die, and it is the most horrible thing to loose them. I think every person who ever lost a loved one to illness or otherwise...begged God to spare them. So his death wasn't to punish you or him. It wasn't because you were somehow unworthy to be heard. Genetics played a role, somehow something was wrong in his body and that flaw took him from you. That's an empty hollow sad thing...nobody to blame, nobody to rage against for some wrong done you.
I said all that I did because you think God broke some promise to you. When it comes to God, you have much to learn. You have no right to bitterness against him, and doing so will only hurt you more. Not one of us is clean of sin, so that we can point a finger at God, and declare we don't deserve it. God is kind, and does not punish us according to what we deserve.
Going down the path of bitterness will do so much harm to you, and eat you up inside. It will cause you to become physically sick. Your loss was a hard hit, the absolute worst. I know you are struggling so hard right now... with so much pain..and I wish I could help. I weep every time I think of my late husband, and it has been 2 years this Nov 1st. The truth is, we lose our loved ones...and it's hard to get past it. You just have to take life one day at a time, and redirect your thoughts so the hurt doesn't swallow you up. It's so frustrating because there is nobody to blame or rage against...you have to fight that urge because it won't help. I find it comforting to talk about the good times I had with Dan, and the times we shared....such talks always end with tears, but I do feel better after a good cry.
