What exactly is God's plan?

flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Siptang http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/80#post_3500114
Flower - I will read it again. But I'm still bitter as where is this powerful God who will let harm come to his children. Yea, devil's world this and that but he has the power to intervene.
At least you didn't tell me to go read Job. I had about enough of people telling me to go read Job.
...The book of Job... I didn't because don't think your situation was a test. I think your heart hurts, and you arms ache to hold him again... you want your boy back.
I don't know WHY God does what he does. I just know WE can't do a thing about it. He is God, and we are like the flowers...one day they are beautiful and healthy, and the very next thing you know...they are gone, all that's left is just the slightest hint of it's wonderful order that lasts but a moment, to remind us it was ever even there.
All we can do is ask for the favor...There was a woman's son Alisha prayed for, and he revived and lived again. So it never hurts to ask...but if God says no, it isn't like you can vote him out of office. No matter how upset we get...he is still God. If you ever have even the slightest chance of being with your boy again...It will be in the palm of God's hand to do so. Therefore staying on his good side may not be a bad choice to make. Kind of a "know what side of the bread the butter is on" kind of mentality.
 
beth

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bionic, no one will ever prove anything to you about faith. Why do you keep asking for that? Faith is the contract that individuals have with God, so if you won't believe until you have scientific verifiable proof, then you will not believe ever. We have that choice not to believe, and that is your choice.
Sip, while some believe that God is pulling the cosmic strings on everyone's life, my own belief is that we are not here to be the puppets of an omnipotent God. Our human existence is based on the cycle of life, living, and ultimately death; and then, what comes after. There is some comfort for those who believe, however, in knowing that their loved one will be in a good place and that you will see your loved ones again.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/80#post_3500126
http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Afterlife-Mysteries/Individual-Human-Experience-with-Death-and-the-Afterlife-Near-death-experiences-ndes.html
There you go.
LOL. Yea, I've read that one before. Scientist have show that the "bright light" everyone sees is just a reaction of the optical nerves as the brain physically shuts down. I could probably get the same "trip" in his rendition by simply dropping acid.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500136
bionic, no one will ever prove anything to you about faith. Why do you keep asking for that? Faith is the contract that individuals have with God, so if you won't believe until you have scientific verifiable proof, then you will not believe ever. We have that choice not to believe, and that is your choice.
Sip, while some believe that God is pulling the cosmic strings on everyone's life, my own belief is that we are not here to be the puppets of an omnipotent God. Our human existence is based on the cycle of life, living, and ultimately death; and then, what comes after. There is some comfort for those who believe, however, in knowing that their loved one will be in a good place and that you will see your loved ones again.
Then quit telling me "He" has a purpose, or why did "He" do what he does. That's nothing but a cop-out from reality. The faithful use that as an excuse for why bad things happen. Then they use the same excuse for when good things happen. My take is - IT just happens. I take a personal responsibilty for my own actions and destiny. I don't base it on whether some higher entity may or may not be "pulling the puppet strings".
 
beth

beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500139
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500136
bionic, no one will ever prove anything to you about faith. Why do you keep asking for that? Faith is the contract that individuals have with God, so if you won't believe until you have scientific verifiable proof, then you will not believe ever. We have that choice not to believe, and that is your choice.
Sip, while some believe that God is pulling the cosmic strings on everyone's life, my own belief is that we are not here to be the puppets of an omnipotent God. Our human existence is based on the cycle of life, living, and ultimately death; and then, what comes after. There is some comfort for those who believe, however, in knowing that their loved one will be in a good place and that you will see your loved ones again.
Then quit telling me "He" has a purpose, or why did "He" do what he does. That's nothing but a cop-out from reality. The faithful use that as an excuse for why bad things happen. Then they use the same excuse for when good things happen. My take is - IT just happens. I take a personal responsibilty for my own actions and destiny. I don't base it on whether some higher entity may or may not be "pulling the puppet strings".
I've never said that to you.
People who do believe that for every aspect of their life, especially the negative things that happen, however, shouldn't really illicit a personal affront to you. Why does it? Faith is very personal, so when someone relates that God has his own purpose, they are expressing their faith that God know better than us about why something horrible happened. It expresses that while we as humans may not understand, that there is still a greater purpose for why things happen. These expressions shouldn't make you ballistic. If you are comfortable with disbelief, then what difference does it make what someone else believes?
 
acrylic51

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Sip I feel your pain.......I honestly can say I'm not a "church goer", but believe there is "someone; something" greater than us.......Sip 12 years ago I was in your shoes.....I had already had a daughter and the only thing to make things complete was a son......Yes my son died at birth.....Already named and such great hopes and expectations.....And yes bitterness set in, I took my anger and frustration out on the ones I shouldn't have....Life kinda spiraled out of control.....To the point of almost costing me my marriage back then.....Somehow I did blame God, my wife, and any other thing possible......Trust me buddy it will never leave your mind, but time does heal. Again not a bible thumper, but yes "ALL" things happen for a reason regardless if you want to believe it or not......God will only give us as much as we can handle.....Nothing more nothing less, and yes maybe what I'm saying is "faith", hope......Who knows......I think all humans need that hope that there's something out there better, and we strive for it......
Just remember God has not forsaken you, or is he unmerciful.....But quite the opposite.....As mentioned earlier on, the signs won't be obvious, but at some point the pieces will fall together or back into place. Maybe not as we had planned or expected, but the road of life has many paths.....These obstacles we face daily are what makes us what we are......Believe my friend, and don't expect a miracle or the answer to be there in the morning, but with time you will see things do happen for unknown reasons that alter our course in life and make you what you are and will be.......
 
acrylic51

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500136
bionic, no one will ever prove anything to you about faith. Why do you keep asking for that? Faith is the contract that individuals have with God, so if you won't believe until you have scientific verifiable proof, then you will not believe ever. We have that choice not to believe, and that is your choice.
Sip, while some believe that God is pulling the cosmic strings on everyone's life, my own belief is that we are not here to be the puppets of an omnipotent God. Our human existence is based on the cycle of life, living, and ultimately death; and then, what comes after. There is some comfort for those who believe, however, in knowing that their loved one will be in a good place and that you will see your loved ones again.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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LOL.  Yea, I've read that one before.  Scientist have show that the "bright light" everyone sees is just a reaction of the optical nerves as the brain physically shuts down.  I could probably get the same "trip" in his rendition by simply dropping acid.:laughing:
If you read it then you know the optic nerve shutdown does not explain 3/4 of the article. Much of which relates to studies by scientists. Continue in your arrogance and hate. It amuses me.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500160
I've never said that to you.
People who do believe that for every aspect of their life, especially the negative things that happen, however, shouldn't really illicit a personal affront to you. Why does it? Faith is very personal, so when someone relates that God has his own purpose, they are expressing their faith that God know better than us about why something horrible happened. It expresses that while we as humans may not understand, that there is still a greater purpose for why things happen. These expressions shouldn't make you ballistic. If you are comfortable with disbelief, then what difference does it make what someone else believes?
When a major politician like Michelle Bachmann bleats "God told me to run for President", then it does involve me...
 
beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500249
When a major politician like Michelle Bachmann bleats "God told me to run for President", then it does involve me...
Your involvement is limited to your right to express your opinion and vote. What Bachman claims doesn't explain your zeal in posting negative comments in these topics and challenging us to prove God''s existence to you.
 
reefraff

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So Bionic. If there is no God how do you explain BBQ, Satellite TV and Beer. OK maybe you can explain TV but BBQ and beer? Obviously the work of a divine presence.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500266
Your involvement is limited to your right to express your opinion and vote. What Bachman claims doesn't explain your zeal in posting negative comments in these topics and challenging us to prove God''s existence to you.
It's people with the same attitudes as Bachmann that scare me. Why do you think the Republicans lost this election? It was Republican's flaunting their social beliefs (which are based on their religious/Christian principles), that scared away those independent voters. Women were scared to death of the likes of Mourdock and Akin, and they saw Romney eschew the same principles. Believing in God on a personal level is one thing. Making professions about one's faith to the world is open to criticism. I got into a religious discussion with some friends the other day, and one of them piped up and said his family has attended church for years, and he even plays guitar for the church choir. Before he made that statement, I would've never guessed in my wildest dreams he was a religious person. That's because he keeps his faith PERSONAL.
I don't get why religious people get so offended when someone challenges their faith. They're logical questions that can't be answered. So you get defensive on the basis because you essentially have no defense against the questions.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/100#post_3500281
I am sure they were tripping when they died...yep that explains it..............
Could've died because of the acid trip. Science still hasn't been able to explain what the brain does once a body physically shuts down. They have monitored brain activity to the best of their knowledge and abilities, but who knows if their instrumentation picks up every minute signal the brain makes in those billions of neurons amassed in that gelatinous organ. There have been cases where someone has technically "died", yet for some unknown reason they came back to life. A miracle? Most of these individuals had no clue they died. If what happened to this guy is true, why aren't there more instances of this event happening every day, with the hundreds of thousands of people that die on a daily basis? Did God just pick him out to be a "special candidate" so that he could come back and spread the word, kinda like John Denver in the movie 'Oh God!'?
 
darthtang aw

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Could've died because of the acid trip.  Science still hasn't been able to explain what the brain does once a body physically shuts down.  They have monitored brain activity to the best of their knowledge and abilities, but who knows if their instrumentation picks up every minute signal the brain makes in those billions of neurons amassed in that gelatinous organ.  There have been cases where someone has technically "died", yet for some unknown reason they came back to life.  A miracle?  Most of these individuals had no clue they died.  If what happened to this guy is true, why aren't there more instances of this event happening every day, with the hundreds of thousands of people that die on a daily basis?  Did God just pick him out to be a "special candidate" so that he could come back and spread the word, kinda like John Denver in the movie 'Oh God!'?
It wasn't just one guy in the article. No longer wasting my time as your inability to read is annoying.
 
darthtang aw

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It's people with the same attitudes as Bachmann that scare me.  Why do you think the Republicans lost this election?  It was Republican's flaunting their social beliefs (which are based on their religious/Christian principles), that scared away those independent voters.  Women were scared to death of the likes of Mourdock and Akin, and they saw Romney eschew the same principles.  Believing in God on a personal level is one thing.  Making professions about one's faith to the world is open to criticism.  I got into a religious discussion with some friends the other day, and one of them piped up and said his family has attended church for years, and he even plays guitar for the church choir.  Before he made that statement, I would've never guessed in my wildest dreams he was a religious person.  That's because he keeps his faith PERSONAL.
I don't get why religious people get so offended when someone challenges their faith.  They're logical questions that can't be answered.  So you get defensive on the basis because you essentially have no defense against the questions.
Romney didn't lose because of social beliefs. he lost for the same Reason John Kerry, and john McCain lost. I figured he would lose.....because of the similarities. There wasn't much difference between Romney and Obama in the grand scheme of things. I will let you digest that a bit. If you honestly belief it was due to social beliefs...and this is why you vote against people...no wonder this country hasn't elected a decent Leader in many many years.
 
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