While we are at it, let's close all our Eurpean military bases.

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/3139946
Why do you keep driving this point? I never said people do not portray Obama in a negative light, and I never brought it up to begin with. You keep bringing this up...he is in the public eye, it's going to happen...what is your point? It's not like I am doing it and I have never seen it before. This does not mean it does not exist, but does detract from your point that it is everywhere. It happened to Bush and probably every president before him. I can't help this. I am sorry this offends you on behalf of all right wingers...does this help?
As far as the terrorist comment...you are not paying attention Bionic...please go back and read again...perhaps two times will explain it for you, or perhaps you missed the road map...last post first page. I am unsure how else to elaborate on my point. If you still don't get it, just leave it alone. It is only stressing you out, and I just don't care that much.
What exactly am I not paying attention to? You seemed to be confused and didn't understand I was stating that the Right kept associating Obama to Hitler, then you made this comment:
As for the first comment...I am still lost. A terrorist perhaps, but I would not compare anyone to the likes of your suggestion.
So I responded that you were referring Obama to a terrorist, and you then replied:
Besides this, there are varying degrees of terrorism depending on your definition, and only 1 degree of Hitler, which by the way...you brought up. So yes I would say there is a large distinction.
Sooo, I did read it twice. What did I miss? Did these two statements not imply you were calling Obama a terrorist, or in your term 'a varying degree of terrorism', or did you just mean that Hitler is worse than a terrorist. Maybe if you quit talking in circles I could better understand you.
Believe me, any inane and nonsensical statement you ever make does not stress me out. It actually provides me with a good comical moment for the day. Keep up the good work. I'm laughing histerically as I write this. At least your avatar makes sense now...

 

[usirchchris]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3140335
What exactly am I not paying attention to? You seemed to be confused and didn't understand I was stating that the Right kept associating Obama to Hitler, then you made this comment:
As for the first comment...I am still lost. A terrorist perhaps, but I would not compare anyone to the likes of your suggestion.
So I responded that you were referring Obama to a terrorist, and you then replied:
Besides this, there are varying degrees of terrorism depending on your definition, and only 1 degree of Hitler, which by the way...you brought up. So yes I would say there is a large distinction.
Sooo, I did read it twice. What did I miss? Did these two statements not imply you were calling Obama a terrorist, or in your term 'a varying degree of terrorism', or did you just mean that Hitler is worse than a terrorist. Maybe if you quit talking in circles I could better understand you.
Believe me, any inane and nonsensical statement you ever make does not stress me out. It actually provides me with a good comical moment for the day. Keep up the good work. I'm laughing histerically as I write this. At least your avatar makes sense now...
Last post first page. Last post first page. Last post first page. Last post first page.

I am glad I can provide you with humor, it's good for the soul. You'll come around one day I thought what I said was fairly clear. Allow me to translate for you. When I said 1 degree of hitler...I meant...he was who he was, there are no ifs ands or doubts about who he is and what he did. By varying degrees of terrorists I mean...I think the term is used fairly loosely. I don't think it always means a bunch of guys in a cave with AK-47's or killing people...it is such a common term now that I think you can paint pretty broadly with it. I have jokingly called my liberal neighbor a terrorist and he laughs about it, I don't mean he is pals with Osama, and plotting the next attack...it's just a loose term for someone whose ideals do not match my own, meant purely as playful banter. With this and the last post on the first page, hopefully I can clear up any further confusion you have with my posts.

 

[usirchchris]

Almost forgot Bionic...click the little icon with the plus sign... (it's between the quote button and the note pad with feather button) on all of the posts you want to quote. Then when you hit post they will all pop up. This will save you time, and the labor of retyping/copy pasting my "nonsensical" posts.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/3140716
Almost forgot Bionic...click the little icon with the plus sign... (it's between the quote button and the note pad with feather button) on all of the posts you want to quote. Then when you hit post they will all pop up. This will save you time, and the labor of retyping/copy pasting my "nonsensical" posts.
OK George. You make about as much sense as that moron did in that stupid TV show.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/3139844
Tsk, Tsk, personal attacks. I have been to two rallies, and saw nothing of what you described. How many did you attend? I definitely construe what he did to the financial industry, auto industry and now the huge push for medical as socialistic. How one could view it otherwise is beyond my scope. I guarantee taxes will go up for me, you, your kids, your kids kids and so on and so on as a result of the recent stimulus. Bush is out of office...it's Obama's baby now. I never said anything Obama did resulted in a terrorist attack. I didn't even call him a terrorist...I said perhaps. Go back and re-read what I said. I view his policies as weakening our country. A terrorists agenda is to weaken the country...I was merely trying to lessen the pretentious degree of likening the man to Hitler, which is utterly rediculous, and again what YOU brought up in the first place. Don't take everything so seriously. You seem to get so worked up about this stuff...you need to relax and accept the fact that not all people think like you. Btw, there are things Bush did that I did not agree with...had I seen a topic on here in regards to one of them I may have chimed in. I have not created any political threads of my own.

Hey! Is this how the Quote button works?

So did you wear your George Castanza hat with the little tea bags hanging off it when you went to these little rallies? Out of curiousity, how many blacks, hispanics, and other non-white people attended your little meeting? Why in the world would I attend one of these useless get togethers? All they ever do at these things is spout misinformation that riles up the old foggies who wheeled over there with their oxygen tanks attached yelling "Keep the government out of my Medicare benefits!"

And by the way, this long spouted rant of yours sounds like you're pretty serious about your cause. So don't you get yourself all worked up over nothing.

 

[uneverno]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3139344
I would like some of the other countries to ante up, but it's funny it seems the only non socialist country has the "extra" money to spend on defending itself and others.
It has nothing to do w/ Socialism vs. not Socialism. If that were the case, China would be no threat. It does have something to do with the fact the we have more taxpayers than any 3 (or more) countries in Europe combined, ergo more money.
President Obama is spending less on R+D and more on social programs. I doubt the Chinese, Iranian, and Russian gov't are sad he is doing that while they redouble efforts. We may not be a superpower much longer.
Of the trillion or so dollars spent worldwide annually on weaponry, we still spend roughly half of that all by ourselves. It will not be for lack of technology that we lose our superpower status.
Re: other comments:
Putting missile defense shields in Poland and Czech to protect against Iran isn't even geographically logical. Better would be Austria, Italy, Greece, Turkey or Israel - all allies as well - no? So what's the real reason we want them there?
I also find it interesting that no-one has brought up the fact that Venezuela has started negotiations w/ Russia to build nuclear plants there. %%
Then again, Venezuela and Iran are not the real threats, are they?
Closing the bases is not in our best interests as an Empire. Those countries who host our bases are fully aware of that fact. They can hardly be blamed for playing the Capitalist game in their own favor, while we're playing it in ours. After all, if we closed our bases, who might reopen them?
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Amateurs think tactics, professionals think logistics.

 

[usirchchris]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3140773
Hey! Is this how the Quote button works?

So did you wear your George Castanza hat with the little tea bags hanging off it when you went to these little rallies? Out of curiousity, how many blacks, hispanics, and other non-white people attended your little meeting? Why in the world would I attend one of these useless get togethers? All they ever do at these things is spout misinformation that riles up the old foggies who wheeled over there with their oxygen tanks attached yelling "Keep the government out of my Medicare benefits!"

And by the way, this long spouted rant of yours sounds like you're pretty serious about your cause. So don't you get yourself all worked up over nothing.

Yes you have the quote button down pat...good job...I mean it says quote, but...was trying to teach you how to multi quote, because it appears you do not know how. The instructions were fairly simple if you can identify a "+" sign...I just can't seem to get on your speed with anything...sorry. Multiculturalism during the meeting?...if you want specific numbers I am unfortunately unable to provide these...not something I was specifically looking for. Leave it to a liberal to involve race. Are you suggesting there are no Black/Hispanics with conservative views? If you are going to comment on the meetings or try and put them down it would be beneficial for you to actually experience one rather then depending on the useless media to create your opinions for you. This entire conversation on your part is completely baseless. You find a couple of pictures on the web, and lump half of the right in with them, and then state the meetings "spout misinformation", but you admit you have never been to one

. Logic never seems to be a cornerstone of the liberal debate. Your faith in Obama makes clear sense now. Now go fill that pitcher and get searching on the web for more gems. Why think for yourself when someone else can do it for you...right

.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by usirchchris
http:///forum/post/3140847
Yes you have the quote button down pat...good job...I mean it says quote, but...was trying to teach you how to multi quote, because it appears you do not know how. The instructions were fairly simple if you can identify a "+" sign...I just can't seem to get on your speed with anything...sorry. Multiculturalism during the meeting?...if you want specific numbers I am unfortunately unable to provide these...not something I was specifically looking for. Leave it to a liberal to involve race. Are you suggesting there are no Black/Hispanics with conservative views? If you are going to comment on the meetings or try and put them down it would be beneficial for you to actually experience one rather then depending on the useless media to create your opinions for you. This entire conversation on your part is completely baseless. You find a couple of pictures on the web, and lump half of the right in with them, and then state the meetings "spout misinformation", but you admit you have never been to one

. Logic never seems to be a cornerstone of the liberal debate. Your faith in Obama makes clear sense now. Now go fill that pitcher and get searching on the web for more gems. Why think for yourself when someone else can do it for you...right

.
Actually Glen Beck brought his merry little show to San Antonio, and there were several 'Righties' in my office that attended. There was extensive media coverage, and by the pictures I saw during the local newscast, the majority of attendees were white. Considering San Antonio is about 47% Hispanic, that's a pretty bad showing for minorities. Is this the norm for Tea Parties around the country? Don't know. But every video of the 'meetings' I've seen seem to indicate that. All that proves is the Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh followers are primarily Yuppie white and Southern Boy geriatrics. As far as the information presented, I've also seen transripts of some of the Tea Parties. They're pretty much nothing more than a rehash of Beck's TV and radio shows. That right there proves the content is made mostly of half-truths and fabrications. The difference between me and you is I look at things logically, and look at the entire vision of what's being presented in the various debates on Obama's policies. You on the other hand appear to rely specifically on what some 'TV sensationalist' tells you. Unfortunately, those individuals only provide the content that validates their arguments. Beck is known for taking pieces of conversations and videos of Obama discussing his policies, and spinning them to appear he's going to take every dollar you own, and make you live under total government rule. But if you look at the entire video or content of a speech, you'd realize he has various justifications for his remarks. Have you ever sat down and watched Obama make a speech in its entirety, actually LISTENING to every detail? If not, then you are doing a disservice to yourself to not get the whole story before passing judgement.
Multi quote? You apparently spend WAY too much time on forum sites.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3140877
Actually Glen Beck brought his merry little show to San Antonio, and there were several 'Righties' in my office that attended. There was extensive media coverage, and by the pictures I saw during the local newscast, the majority of attendees were white. Considering San Antonio is about 47% Hispanic, that's a pretty bad showing for minorities. Is this the norm for Tea Parties around the country? Don't know. But every video of the 'meetings' I've seen seem to indicate that. All that proves is the Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh followers are primarily Yuppie white and Southern Boy geriatrics. As far as the information presented, I've also seen transripts of some of the Tea Parties. They're pretty much nothing more than a rehash of Beck's TV and radio shows. That right there proves the content is made mostly of half-truths and fabrications. The difference between me and you is I look at things logically, and look at the entire vision of what's being presented in the various debates on Obama's policies. You on the other hand appear to rely specifically on what some 'TV sensationalist' tells you. Unfortunately, those individuals only provide the content that validates their arguments. Beck is known for taking pieces of conversations and videos of Obama discussing his policies, and spinning them to appear he's going to take every dollar you own, and make you live under total government rule. But if you look at the entire video or content of a speech, you'd realize he has various justifications for his remarks. Have you ever sat down and watched Obama make a speech in its entirety, actually LISTENING to every detail? If not, then you are doing a disservice to yourself to not get the whole story before passing judgement.
Multi quote? You apparently spend WAY too much time on forum sites.
Guess you missed the controversy about BSNBC when that stupid twit reporter got her panties all bunched up about "white people with guns" protesting a black president. The guy with the gun was black.
By the same token is it a problem for you that Obama rallies tend to be disproportionately black?
And lets talk about half truths or better yet outright lies. Obama said there was no tax increase in the health care bill he supports yet the language of the bill uses the word tax right in it. Obama lies with the best (worst) of them.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3141015
Guess you missed the controversy about BSNBC when that stupid twit reporter got her panties all bunched up about "white people with guns" protesting a black president. The guy with the gun was black.
By the same token is it a problem for you that Obama rallies tend to be disproportionately black?
And lets talk about half truths or better yet outright lies. Obama said there was no tax increase in the health care bill he supports yet the language of the bill uses the word tax right in it. Obama lies with the best (worst) of them.
Actually, every Obama speech I've seen feeds of since he's been in office have contaied a variety of individuals of all races. I'm sure that there are rallies in predominately black neighborhoods supporting his cause. I don't agree with those, because those individuals are doing it for one simple fact - praising Obama simply because of his color. The Tea Bagger rallies are doing nothing but railing the current administration because it's not bowing down and following their right/conservative values. If you don't lean to the right, then you're a Commie Liberal. Conservatives think any Liberal ideologies will bring this country to its knees. Sorry to tell you, but running this country on nothing but Bleeding Heart Conservative Right values and ideologies would be just as bad. You need a mixture of both to provide a balance.
Where is this tax increase statement you're talking about? If there is one, is this bill in question the final version that will be being handed to Obama to sign and pass? If Obama signs a bill that has any statement about a tax increase in it after he's stated that there won't be a tax increase, then you do have every right to complain and call him a bold-faced liar. But until that actually happens, then it's only conjecture. You're condemning the guy before it's even happened.

 

[fishtaco]

Bionicarm, you are completely right in saying that a lot of conservative's are very quick to label anyone not in there party a far left lib or socialist these days and why among other reasons I don't support them any more than I do those on the far left. Far past time for the moderate majority vote to take back both parties from the extremists and work toward sane government.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

When at first you don't succeed, play the race card.
You are right Bionic. All of us conservative white people are racists. We screen our activists to ensure only white people show up to our rallies.

I am going to say it....You are officially a moron.
Stoip and use that head of yours. Just for a second. If it was just conservatives concerned about the healthcare bill and showing up at rallies....The bill would have passed already. Which part do you not understand that you have the House, Senate and Presidency. You do not NEED any conservative support. The President does not NEED conservative support. The problem is the democrats and liberals aren't supporting this bill. If they were, it would pass no problems. So how is it we are the problem?
The problem is the bill is faulty.
And I am tired of hearing you say it that it does not matter what is in the bill right now. It only matters when the President signs it, and then we can complain. Bullshite! The president has been calling for certain things. The President has been saying different things. And the bills themselves are saying something different from what he is saying. If the bill gets passed, and he signs it, and it contains tax increases and everyt6hing else he claims it won't....what then? We get stuck......This is your mentality....it doesn't matter till he signs it.......Your right, it doesn't....because at that point...it truly won't matter....No one will be able to change it easily. We voice things now....during the legislation process so those things can be addressed before they become law.
If you honestly think the president won't sign any healthcare bill placed before him, even one with tax raises and death panels, you are foolish. He will sign them because he wants this bill no matter what....just like his stimulus package....he wanted it no matter what was in it.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3141124
Actually, every Obama speech I've seen feeds of since he's been in office have contaied a variety of individuals of all races. I'm sure that there are rallies in predominately black neighborhoods supporting his cause. I don't agree with those, because those individuals are doing it for one simple fact - praising Obama simply because of his color. The Tea Bagger rallies are doing nothing but railing the current administration because it's not bowing down and following their right/conservative values. If you don't lean to the right, then you're a Commie Liberal. Conservatives think any Liberal ideologies will bring this country to its knees. Sorry to tell you, but running this country on nothing but Bleeding Heart Conservative Right values and ideologies would be just as bad. You need a mixture of both to provide a balance.
Where is this tax increase statement you're talking about? If there is one, is this bill in question the final version that will be being handed to Obama to sign and pass? If Obama signs a bill that has any statement about a tax increase in it after he's stated that there won't be a tax increase, then you do have every right to complain and call him a bold-faced liar. But until that actually happens, then it's only conjecture. You're condemning the guy before it's even happened.
I am pretty middle of the road (not pro life, for drug legalization etc.) but I call Obama a socialist because I believe he is one. You don't want to believe that fine but you talking crap about anyone who dares to hold that opinion makes you no better than the people calling Obama a terrorist, which by they way I think is ridiculous. Which of course is no more ridiculous than calling W a moron or claiming Republicans are blocking health care reform.
Listen to the weasel's own words starting about 3 minutes into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw
He is speaking specifically about the Baucus bill which does indeed have the tax included in it. Those with so-called high end health plans will be hit with a 35% tax on their insurance. It's right there in the plan, look it up. The plan also levies a tax on people who don't have an insurance plan. I actually like that provision but lets be honest it's a tax. It's also likely unconstitutional. The comparison to auto insurance is ridiculous. Driving is a privilege so the government can place conditions on it. Trying to make everyone carry health insurance is a different situation.
But again I will ask, how can any sane person believe we can give more people better coverage without raising taxes?
Mark my words, once health care reform comes down the only winners are going to be people with a lot of kids.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3141138
Bionicarm, you are completely right in saying that a lot of conservative's are very quick to label anyone not in there party a far left lib or socialist these days and why among other reasons I don't support them any more than I do those on the far left. Far past time for the moderate majority vote to take back both parties from the extremists and work toward sane government.
Fishtaco
If you look at the power base of the Democrat party you will see it is mostly far left or socialists.
I liked the Reform party myself. I thought they had the right idea, kinda like a more realistic version of the libertarian party. Fiscally sane and pretty much stayed out of social issues either way.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3139683
What headline news? Go to any of these Tea Baggers rallies, and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. You need a reality check. Varying degrees of terrorism? Exactly how does Obama fit into that picture? Please oh please tell me what 'level of terrorism' Obama has instigated against this country. If you actually believe Obama is responsible for ANY degree of terrorism against this country, then you truly are a moron.
The man has only been in office 9 months. He's enacted NOTHING that has caused your taxes to go up, or anything that can be construed as Socialistic. The Republicans and Right Wingers just can't get over the fact they lost the election. That's the bottom line. Bush was the catalyst for the recession we're in now, and even was the instigator of the stimulus and bailout plans you rail Obama about. Why didn't you rally your troops when Bush was bringing the US economy to a near collapse?

Hold on. Obama repeatedly called for a stimulus package. He asked congress and Bush to start one back in November.
http://www.google.com/search?client=...=Google+Search
HE ASKED FOR IT!!! He later signed it. Bush NEVER asked for a stimulus package except in Januarary of 08'. So how is the stimulus package Bush's deal?
Is the stimulus package working in your estimation...if so, do you give credit to Bush since you think he started it?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3141169
I am pretty middle of the road (not pro life, for drug legalization etc.) but I call Obama a socialist because I believe he is one. You don't want to believe that fine but you talking crap about anyone who dares to hold that opinion makes you no better than the people calling Obama a terrorist, which by they way I think is ridiculous. Which of course is no more ridiculous than calling W a moron or claiming Republicans are blocking health care reform.
Listen to the weasel's own words starting about 3 minutes into the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7ak__MGyw
He is speaking specifically about the Baucus bill which does indeed have the tax included in it. Those with so-called high end health plans will be hit with a 35% tax on their insurance. It's right there in the plan, look it up. The plan also levies a tax on people who don't have an insurance plan. I actually like that provision but lets be honest it's a tax. It's also likely unconstitutional. The comparison to auto insurance is ridiculous. Driving is a privilege so the government can place conditions on it. Trying to make everyone carry health insurance is a different situation.
But again I will ask, how can any sane person believe we can give more people better coverage without raising taxes?
Mark my words, once health care reform comes down the only winners are going to be people with a lot of kids.
How can he deliver a health care package without raising taxes? Without having full access to the Federal Budget that gives a line-by-line detail of where every penny of our tax dollars goes, I couldn't tell you. The sad part is, there's probably not one person in Washington that could give you that information. However, Obama claims he can pay for this bill using excess in the budget. Define 'excess'. If the excess was defined, and you had tangible numbers showing you exactly which programs would be axed or reduced to completely pay for this program, would you still be satisfied and agree with it? Probably not. Why? Because you don't trust our government system anymore, at least not the one running the show right now. You think that since the Democrats have the majority in all three Legislative branches, that they can pass anything they want. Apparently that's not how it works. Otherwise, we'd be stuck with the original 1000-page House bill on healthcare. Unlike you, I'm taking the wait-and-see approach to how this will come out. Is it wrong to trust the individuals we elected to make the right decisions? It just might be. But if you're right and I'm wrong, what does that say about our government system?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3141227
How can he deliver a health care package without raising taxes? Without having full access to the Federal Budget that gives a line-by-line detail of where every penny of our tax dollars goes, I couldn't tell you. The sad part is, there's probably not one person in Washington that could give you that information. However, Obama claims he can pay for this bill using excess in the budget. Define 'excess'. If the excess was defined, and you had tangible numbers showing you exactly which programs would be axed or reduced to completely pay for this program, would you still be satisfied and agree with it? Probably not. Why? Because you don't trust our government system anymore, at least not the one running the show right now. You think that since the Democrats have the majority in all three Legislative branches, that they can pass anything they want. Apparently that's not how it works. Otherwise, we'd be stuck with the original 1000-page House bill on healthcare. Unlike you, I'm taking the wait-and-see approach to how this will come out. Is it wrong to trust the individuals we elected to make the right decisions? It just might be. But if you're right and I'm wrong, what does that say about our government system?

Here is a novel ideas, how about paying off some crap first with the money from that wasteful spending so we could lower taxes at a later date (thus boosting the economy) and balance our budget.......But I suppose it is better to have double digit unemployment as long as we can give those that can't find work, healthcare...........Maybe they can eat there healthcare booklet or use it to build a box to live in.......

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3141226
Hold on. Obama repeatedly called for a stimulus package. He asked congress and Bush to start one back in November.
http://www.google.com/search?client=...=Google+Search
HE ASKED FOR IT!!! He later signed it. Bush NEVER asked for a stimulus package except in Januarary of 08'. So how is the stimulus package Bush's deal?
Is the stimulus package working in your estimation...if so, do you give credit to Bush since you think he started it?

My understanding was Obama was following through with a stimulus package that was presented to Congress while Bush was still in office. If that's not the case, I stand corrected.
From what I've seen, the stimulus package has worked to some extent. Banks that would've surely failed are starting to become profitable again, and they are paying back the loans that they received as part of the stimulus package. But as Obama stated when the stimulus was approved, it may be several years down the road before we see whether the package was a complete success. If you want to give Bush credit for this, I have no problem with it.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3141232
My understanding was Obama was following through with a stimulus package that was presented to Congress while Bush was still in office. If that's not the case, I stand corrected.
From what I've seen, the stimulus package has worked to some extent. Banks that would've surely failed are starting to become profitable again, and they are paying back the loans that they received as part of the stimulus package. But as Obama stated when the stimulus was approved, it may be several years down the road before we see whether the package was a complete success. If you want to give Bush credit for this, I have no problem with it.
I don't want to give him credit for it....especially since he didn't have anything to do with it.
I just want the facts straightened out and for you to stop repeating wrong information repeatedly. I am curious how you reached the understanding that the stimulus package was a bush policy.....This also leads me to question how much you truly know about the healthcare issue...several times now I personally have proven what you believe to be so, as wrong....

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3141228
Here is a novel ideas, how about paying off some crap first with the money from that wasteful spending so we could lower taxes at a later date (thus boosting the economy) and balance our budget.......But I suppose it is better to have double digit unemployment as long as we can give those that can't find work, healthcare...........Maybe they can eat there healthcare booklet or use it to build a box to live in.......
Nice proposal. Unfortunately, if we completely ignore the healthcare issue AGAIN, and wait until we balance what I've called a 'virtual debt', you will see millions of Americans get gravely ill and possibly die because they cannot afford the healthcare needed to keep them healthy. But then, the conservative philosophy has always been 'the survival of the fittest'. Throw compassion for you fellow man out the door as long as it doesn't take any extra money out of your stingy little hands.