bionicarm
Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2986345
Now I have lack of respect. The situation is a severly armed guy (how many guns did the alabama scenario criminal have on him). He is shooting people and his back is to me. You said we don't have justification to shoot him. Even if he is just threatening with the gun we don't.
So let me rephrase my question. a guy on the street points a gun at your wife with his backed to you. At which point is it ok for you to shoot him? Remember, you don't know if this is a law abiding citizen or a "plain clothes cop".
A plain clothes cop must identify himself as an officer when his gun is drawn...end of that dumb debate.
If a guy is holding my wife with a gun pointed at her head, and he hasn't identified himself as a police officer, then I would have JUST CAUSE to shoot him regardless if his back is to me or not. Like you said, if it was a police officer, he'd have to identify himself.
Let's look at this Alabama rampage:
McLendon started his two-county rampage across rural southern Alabama by burning down the home he shared with his mother. Authorities said results of forensic tests have not yet determined when Lisa McLendon was killed, but they do know her son set her on fire on their couch before driving away.
After he burned down the home, he drove about 12 miles southeast to Samson and gunned down three relatives and the wife and 18-month-old daughter of a local sheriff's deputy on the front porch of his uncle's home. He turned his gun next door and killed his 74-year-old grandmother and sent panicked bystanders fleeing and ducking behind cars.
McLendon then drove off, spraying bullets and killing three more bystanders.
Police caught up with McLendon in Geneva, about 24 miles from his mother's home, at Reliable Products, the metals plant he quit in 2003. Following a shootout with police, he walked into the business and killed himself.
So if you as a CWH were one of these bystanders, at what point would you have gotten involved? Reading the series of events, the only time anyone that wasn't related to him got shot, was when he was driving away. Would you have the mindset to pull out your pistol and identify yourself while this maniac was sparaying bullets from an SKS or Bushmaster? Do you think you could have even gotten a round off before he got into the car and drove away? They don't list a timeline as to how long he was at his uncle's home before driving off. Two minutes, five minutes, ten? You'd obviously would've been ducking for cover behind a car. Would you put yourself into the open to try and shoot, knowing this guy had 10 times the number of bullets than you, and would not waste any time trying to aim? Don't even think an experienced cop would be that stupid.
http:///forum/post/2986345
Now I have lack of respect. The situation is a severly armed guy (how many guns did the alabama scenario criminal have on him). He is shooting people and his back is to me. You said we don't have justification to shoot him. Even if he is just threatening with the gun we don't.
So let me rephrase my question. a guy on the street points a gun at your wife with his backed to you. At which point is it ok for you to shoot him? Remember, you don't know if this is a law abiding citizen or a "plain clothes cop".
A plain clothes cop must identify himself as an officer when his gun is drawn...end of that dumb debate.
If a guy is holding my wife with a gun pointed at her head, and he hasn't identified himself as a police officer, then I would have JUST CAUSE to shoot him regardless if his back is to me or not. Like you said, if it was a police officer, he'd have to identify himself.
Let's look at this Alabama rampage:
McLendon started his two-county rampage across rural southern Alabama by burning down the home he shared with his mother. Authorities said results of forensic tests have not yet determined when Lisa McLendon was killed, but they do know her son set her on fire on their couch before driving away.
After he burned down the home, he drove about 12 miles southeast to Samson and gunned down three relatives and the wife and 18-month-old daughter of a local sheriff's deputy on the front porch of his uncle's home. He turned his gun next door and killed his 74-year-old grandmother and sent panicked bystanders fleeing and ducking behind cars.
McLendon then drove off, spraying bullets and killing three more bystanders.
Police caught up with McLendon in Geneva, about 24 miles from his mother's home, at Reliable Products, the metals plant he quit in 2003. Following a shootout with police, he walked into the business and killed himself.
So if you as a CWH were one of these bystanders, at what point would you have gotten involved? Reading the series of events, the only time anyone that wasn't related to him got shot, was when he was driving away. Would you have the mindset to pull out your pistol and identify yourself while this maniac was sparaying bullets from an SKS or Bushmaster? Do you think you could have even gotten a round off before he got into the car and drove away? They don't list a timeline as to how long he was at his uncle's home before driving off. Two minutes, five minutes, ten? You'd obviously would've been ducking for cover behind a car. Would you put yourself into the open to try and shoot, knowing this guy had 10 times the number of bullets than you, and would not waste any time trying to aim? Don't even think an experienced cop would be that stupid.
