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so i would pump it via a bulkhead close to the bulkhead that is the inlet for the C/L?

saving bucks is a good thing so very interested in what you mean..but rereading it a few times I am lost. What do you mean let the sump return be drawn into. Are you saying the sump return drives the OM?

actually...if you think it would be good to run a seaswirl on the sump return to the middle of the tank..I wouldn't need those revs. Just let the OM stagger the outflow to nozzels.

I see your point..that is a lot of random flow. So, to make sure I understand, your saying the entire closed loop should be under the waterline. So would essentially have 5 bulkheads on the closed loop. The only change that would make to the plan I was drawing is that I would need 90 degree...

that is the advice I need!! hehe. Just a push. Okay so will drill the holes myself. But I need help with specifics. I obviously have room from the top of tank to the waterline..but generally how much on a 180 tank. What I am thinking I am going to do is build the OM 4way partially to see...

To be honest I don't know what to do about flow. Looks like cost will be about the same either way. Lot more labor to running a OM 4way. Slightly cheaper to go with the OM 4 way but not a lot. I would have to have a bulkhead put in for the OM. A little cleaner look going with the...

umm..i don't think you want to see my artistic talent..but essentially it looks like the one you put up for leona. I would copy and paste it here..but just tried and I guess it isn't that easy.

Here is what I think I am going to do with my sump. Return will be coming down to a side..lets call it the left side. That side will also have the skimmer. I will have a t with a valve sending a percentage to the very right side of the sump that is going to be the fuge. Going with a 60...

take it back. the LFS isn't losing anything. They are returning them too. I think I looked at the same unit your using for my tank that I am building and decided going against it because it just seems like too much can go wrong with it. I would rather buy the lights etc piecemeal. And those...

bump!! :thinking:

thanks. Yea I am talking to people in other threads about what wavemakers/powerheads I want to use. I am now leaning toward a system that doesn't require external pumps..but just in case I wanted to know what it involved should I want to go with a OM 4 way. thanks again

don't forget about this thread squidd!! talking to you about a sump next ..*waiting in line* :)

thanks

Okay those that are still reading this thread. How bout this idea. Go with two tunze turbelle stream pumps (6100) on either end of the aquarium at slightly different heights, two maxi jets on the back spaced evenly from the end..and the return in the middle with a seaswirl (1")driven by a...

/sigh actually i figured out if i just buy the two pumps and a cheaper controller can get it down to just over 670. is the more advanced controller worth 150 bucks? The cheaper one appears to just turn them both off and on at same time. The more expensive one says it has a food timer, wave...

sheesh..two of those pumps and a controller is 819 bucks. Your killing me. :)

thanks for the info spmnarciso. I want to keep a sand bed..not deep as I will have a deep one in the fuge. Wondering now if I should keep the flow down closer to 20x.

What is the best way to plumb a closed loop? Do you drill a hole somewhere below water line and if so what do you use to make the connection. Probably is a dumb question..I obviously I am learning a lot over the last week.

everything i read here says from like 25 to 30 flow for reef tank.

yea I am leaning toward the super amp master 4000 or the amp master 4700. Quietness would be the deciding factor since I could go with either the 1'5 or the 2'0 outlet to the Oceansmotion 4 way. I can't really find any good pictures of how the plumbing was actually done. Or how the unit is...