110 gal Mixed Reef Build. 180 gal System
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2quills
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Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518354
Corey I'm with you I was planning on doing the poly I just wasn't sure if I should do a high gloss paint and the poly?
It's pretty much whatever you wan't. You can poly, epoxy etc just about anything. Just give whatever paint you use time to cure first and light sand before you poly. No need for high gloss paint just get glossy poly. Or strait over the primer is fine imo.
Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518354
Corey I'm with you I was planning on doing the poly I just wasn't sure if I should do a high gloss paint and the poly?
It's pretty much whatever you wan't. You can poly, epoxy etc just about anything. Just give whatever paint you use time to cure first and light sand before you poly. No need for high gloss paint just get glossy poly. Or strait over the primer is fine imo.
edat
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Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518858
My lovely wife is going tomorrow to pick up a brand new 75 gal aqueon. I will be using it for my sump. I need some ideas for dimensions of the baffles to optimize the full potential load of the sump. Any ideas?
Curious to see what you come up with.
Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518858
My lovely wife is going tomorrow to pick up a brand new 75 gal aqueon. I will be using it for my sump. I need some ideas for dimensions of the baffles to optimize the full potential load of the sump. Any ideas?
Curious to see what you come up with.
sweatervest13
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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518864
Best tip I can give is build it around your skimmer......
I have heard this from you before... And I know that you want the baffle at the proper height for the skimmer to run best. Is this what you mean? Or is there more to it??
I am always interested in learning more about sumps.
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518864
Best tip I can give is build it around your skimmer......
I have heard this from you before... And I know that you want the baffle at the proper height for the skimmer to run best. Is this what you mean? Or is there more to it??
I am always interested in learning more about sumps.
acrylic51
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Some.....Since he already has the skimmer purchased the sump compartment has to big enough to easily accomodate the skimmer.....Yes the baffle height for the skimmer is very important....Meaning this baffle needs to be set roughly 9"-10" for this particular skimmer......Each skimmer has an ideal operating water level so this is very important IMHO, but can be done easily with use of a skimmer stand, but being his skimmer operates best around the water level I mentioned
lubeck
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That's right I will build around the skimmer but I'm looking to actual glass cuts for the baffles. I need to know the length of the baffle if the outer dimension is 18"? I will def build a skimmer stand to ensure I have optimal volume of the sump. The design I want to do is on page two but I'm not sure on how high I can take the baffles. The tank is 21" I was thinking the fuge and the skimmer section can be 16" and the return section baffles set at 12" will that work?
Here's the tank -
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sweatervest13
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I am just checking with you here for my understanding
... You want the baffles set a few inches higher then the optimal skimmer height? Is this just for extra water volume in the sump?? For extra stability?
So you will use a stand for the skimmer to get to the 9-10" (optimal operating height per Shawn on your already purchased skimmer)?
Not a bad idea to add extra water volume... As long as the sump will still handle the DT drainage and back siphon. Shoot, you paid for a 75g sump why not get all you can out of it.
With the stand for the skimmer and your new DT stand will that give you all the room you need for maintenance on the sump and skimmer??
So you will use a stand for the skimmer to get to the 9-10" (optimal operating height per Shawn on your already purchased skimmer)?
Not a bad idea to add extra water volume... As long as the sump will still handle the DT drainage and back siphon. Shoot, you paid for a 75g sump why not get all you can out of it.
With the stand for the skimmer and your new DT stand will that give you all the room you need for maintenance on the sump and skimmer??
acrylic51
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Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518937
I am just checking with you here for my understanding
... You want the baffles set a few inches higher then the optimal skimmer height? Is this just for extra water volume in the sump?? For extra stability?
So you will use a stand for the skimmer to get to the 9-10" (optimal operating height per Shawn on your already purchased skimmer)?
Not a bad idea to add extra water volume... As long as the sump will still handle the DT drainage and back siphon. Shoot, you paid for a 75g sump why not get all you can out of it.
With the stand for the skimmer and your new DT stand will that give you all the room you need for maintenance on the sump and skimmer??
Sorry didn't mean to come off as snappy......Rather hard to explain in text.....I tried explaining to Bob a bit my reasoning or rationale......I wouldn't go extremely crazy with making the baffles high.......Thinking being 2 reasons....1 the methods or what not that are out there are rather proven....We can always tweak and adjust, but lets keep it close to the "box" per say......
That said I don't see any reason to make the skimmer intake area 16".....Yes you can build a skimmer stand to get the skimmer into operating range......Then again you suck up "head space" inside the stand.....For what....Nothing really gained IMHO.....Ok so you make the skimmer baffle 16" tall.......Ok.....He has a plan to run 2,000gph through his sump.....Think about the water level in the return side......I've seen and done this exact thing and what happens is that the return pump will pump all the water out of the return section to the tank.....in the meantime the intake/skimmer is filling with water and watch the return section get sucked dry of water......as the water overflows the skimmer section the return pump slowly picks up the water, but will still suck it faster than the return section is being filled.......
With that said what the next course of action would be is to add water to the return section of the sump till the pump stops sucking it dry......Guess what you just did now.....Your running a good risk of overflowing the sump in the event of a power outage.......Trust me I've been there and went back and made the change and cut the baffles down.....Why most people don't know my sump is 21" high.....Equivalent to roughly 150 gallon filled......
Extra water volume is great, but what real volume are you gaining.....Not much at those heights.....He might even go so far as to throttling back the return pump to keep it from sucking the return area dry.....Then he's negating away from his original plan......I'm not saying my theory is totally correct, but I did make my baffles at 15" and cut them back to 10" after the fact.....
Again I'd suggest tops 13" on intake/skimmer section.......Still would need to adjust the height on the skimmer, but very minimal. Plus another thing to look at is the distance the water will fall from the top of the baffle to the water surface inside the sump.....Again another noise issue that can be negated with properly set baffles.....The fuge I don't see an issue with running at 16", but would still try to minimize the drop distance to the return section.....Again this IMO still doesn't warrant running water depth that deep, but as long as you have "head room" for any back siphoning you can go as deep as you choose.....
Originally Posted by sweatervest13 http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518937
I am just checking with you here for my understanding
So you will use a stand for the skimmer to get to the 9-10" (optimal operating height per Shawn on your already purchased skimmer)?
Not a bad idea to add extra water volume... As long as the sump will still handle the DT drainage and back siphon. Shoot, you paid for a 75g sump why not get all you can out of it.
With the stand for the skimmer and your new DT stand will that give you all the room you need for maintenance on the sump and skimmer??
Sorry didn't mean to come off as snappy......Rather hard to explain in text.....I tried explaining to Bob a bit my reasoning or rationale......I wouldn't go extremely crazy with making the baffles high.......Thinking being 2 reasons....1 the methods or what not that are out there are rather proven....We can always tweak and adjust, but lets keep it close to the "box" per say......
That said I don't see any reason to make the skimmer intake area 16".....Yes you can build a skimmer stand to get the skimmer into operating range......Then again you suck up "head space" inside the stand.....For what....Nothing really gained IMHO.....Ok so you make the skimmer baffle 16" tall.......Ok.....He has a plan to run 2,000gph through his sump.....Think about the water level in the return side......I've seen and done this exact thing and what happens is that the return pump will pump all the water out of the return section to the tank.....in the meantime the intake/skimmer is filling with water and watch the return section get sucked dry of water......as the water overflows the skimmer section the return pump slowly picks up the water, but will still suck it faster than the return section is being filled.......
With that said what the next course of action would be is to add water to the return section of the sump till the pump stops sucking it dry......Guess what you just did now.....Your running a good risk of overflowing the sump in the event of a power outage.......Trust me I've been there and went back and made the change and cut the baffles down.....Why most people don't know my sump is 21" high.....Equivalent to roughly 150 gallon filled......
Extra water volume is great, but what real volume are you gaining.....Not much at those heights.....He might even go so far as to throttling back the return pump to keep it from sucking the return area dry.....Then he's negating away from his original plan......I'm not saying my theory is totally correct, but I did make my baffles at 15" and cut them back to 10" after the fact.....
Again I'd suggest tops 13" on intake/skimmer section.......Still would need to adjust the height on the skimmer, but very minimal. Plus another thing to look at is the distance the water will fall from the top of the baffle to the water surface inside the sump.....Again another noise issue that can be negated with properly set baffles.....The fuge I don't see an issue with running at 16", but would still try to minimize the drop distance to the return section.....Again this IMO still doesn't warrant running water depth that deep, but as long as you have "head room" for any back siphoning you can go as deep as you choose.....
2quills
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Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518927
That's right I will build around the skimmer but I'm looking to actual glass cuts for the baffles. I need to know the length of the baffle if the outer dimension is 18"? I will def build a skimmer stand to ensure I have optimal volume of the sump. The design I want to do is on page two but I'm not sure on how high I can take the baffles. The tank is 21" I was thinking the fuge and the skimmer section can be 16" and the return section baffles set at 12" will that work?
You need to measure the distance on the inside of the tank from front to back for your baffle length. I'd subtract an 1/8" of a inch just to be sure they fit. If there's a little bit of space that can simply be filled in with silicone.
I'm not sure if you're already dead set on a particular design for the sump but I'd agree with not going too high with the skimmer chamber baffle. But I see no reason why you couldn't go higher with the fuge baffle if you wanted to in order to gain a few extra gallons.
Originally Posted by Lubeck http:///t/394626/new-110-gal-mixed-reef-build-this-is-going-to-be-good/200#post_3518927
That's right I will build around the skimmer but I'm looking to actual glass cuts for the baffles. I need to know the length of the baffle if the outer dimension is 18"? I will def build a skimmer stand to ensure I have optimal volume of the sump. The design I want to do is on page two but I'm not sure on how high I can take the baffles. The tank is 21" I was thinking the fuge and the skimmer section can be 16" and the return section baffles set at 12" will that work?
You need to measure the distance on the inside of the tank from front to back for your baffle length. I'd subtract an 1/8" of a inch just to be sure they fit. If there's a little bit of space that can simply be filled in with silicone.
I'm not sure if you're already dead set on a particular design for the sump but I'd agree with not going too high with the skimmer chamber baffle. But I see no reason why you couldn't go higher with the fuge baffle if you wanted to in order to gain a few extra gallons.
lubeck
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Thanks everyone for the feedback. Lots to think about I do want to be very careful on the amount of drop to reduce salt spray and noise. Hmmm. I have tons of head room under the stand, almost 40" so that isn't an issue and built the stand that way on purpose.
So what if the skimmer is 13" the fuge is 16" could the return be 11"? What would be left for back siphoning ? Do you think a 5" drop from the fuge is too much?
So what if the skimmer is 13" the fuge is 16" could the return be 11"? What would be left for back siphoning ? Do you think a 5" drop from the fuge is too much?
2quills
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Probably depends on the design. The sump I built has a similar foot print 50"x18" but my return chamber is in the center of the sump. So water enters from both sides from the skimmer and fuge chambers. This virtually cuts the flow over the two baffles in half vs one baffle. Even with a 1200gph pump running wide open the water doesnt actually fall and drop over the baffles it glides/rides down the baffles. So there's virtually no splashing whatsoever and the noise is next to nothing. All of the noise is from the drain water droping into the tank from the plumbing.
I think all my baffles were 13" high IIRC. My stand is the same height as yours. If you want I'll shoot you a pic later tonight with the equipment in there.
I think all my baffles were 13" high IIRC. My stand is the same height as yours. If you want I'll shoot you a pic later tonight with the equipment in there.
