415 Gallon Plywood Tank Build

2quills

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Spraying would be so much faster and easier. I really don't think it would be all that hard. I've got a good amount of experience with spray rigs and latex paint, I don't see why it should be out of the realm of possiblity to give it a go and see how some test pieces turn out.
 
Ok, I made an album on my profile with a bunch of pictures of the stain samples but for some reason or another I can't label them and they don't show up as big. Soooo...I'm going to dump some of them here lol.
 
Ebony....


 

 
ebony 3rd from left...
 

2quills

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Provincial 211...
 


 
 
 
Dark Walnut...(looks like the provincial 211)...


 
 
 
here's the Sangria...(waterbased)...I don't like the waterbased product.
 


 
 
 
Satin finish (2 coats)...

 
 

acrylic51

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/376802/415-gallon-plywood-tank-build/300#post_3304191
Our second favorite...Cabernet...
 

I used the Cabernet on my cabinets I did in my garage and love it!!!!! The shades are a bit different between the Minwax and the brand that WoodCraft carries.....Can't remember it off the top of my head.....I was at Home Depot and Lowes after work.....Strange they are both right outside the gate at work. Very convenient for me, bad on the wallet some days. Neither had the English Chestnut in to get my hands on and sample. I did pick up some (1 can) of stain. I had to have it mixed. It was in the Cabot section of stain. It's called Shaded Bark. I did a piece of trim and some solid piece of Poplar and actually like it, but want to keep digging and see!!!!! I'll have to post some pics of the test pieces a bit later!!!!!
 
Ohhhh Corey!!!!! Thank you for all the trouble!!!!!!
 

2quills

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No prob. The Cabot stains are good, I like their red mohogany. I got my samples from Lowes and unfortunately they don't have a very good selection on their cabots at all. I think I'll try Home Depot and see what they have as well and maybe a couple of other places around town and see if I can find some more of the E. Chestnut...who knows, maybe I'll even find something else to try, I haven't even seen or heard of the color that you picked up and I've been through all the samples of the color mixes (perhaps I just missed it).
 
Do or have you ever used any kind of rubbing compound to finish off your finishes?
 
 
 
 
 

acrylic51

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Corey we think alike!!!!! That is scary at times.....I had been thinking awhile about using rubbing compounds for quite a while on the finish. Something I haven't done in the past, but know the finish is incredible. Luckily I have a WoodCraft local, and they have all types of good classes and clinics and alot of times they guys will actually show me before I buy. Tons of good info from those guys there. I've also been looking at the HVLP setups, and would love to try my hand at shooting it that way. My buddy Mark does it all the time and makes it look so easy, but he likes that sort of thing anyways.....I might have to break down and invest in a good unit, but there's so much info out there just on the sprayers it's unreal!!!!
. Maybe some good reading material for at work tomorrow!!!!!

 
Actually got alittle accomplished today. Actually not that much. I got the last dreaded cut done on the bar top for the stand. I had taken pics, but somehow they have disappeared in the transfer from the camera to the computer, but not a big deal. I'll just take a couple more. I'm planning to use magnets to hold the bar top ledge in place, and have to do a little prep work before I take those pieces to the router table to put the finishing edge on them, and then pull out the Kreg jig again and piece the 2 together. Also finished adding the last pieces of molding to the stand. I had a brain fart during the install/buildup, and had to rework and add a bit to hide a flaw, but nothing major IMO. I'll have to get pics up of that as well.
 
On the way home I did stop at Lowes and Home Depot and look at stains. I figure not to overwhelm myself or my pocket, that everyday I'd stop and take a look at stains that did catch my eye and get a sample and come home and throw some at some scrap pieces. Tonight I picked up from Lowes from the Cabot line a sample called Shaded Bark. This is more on the brown side than I'm traditional use to using. Funny thing about it was years ago I was against the red tones, and finally changed, now I'm worried about crossing back over the fence
. Meowzer you better have some type of input!!!!!!! Here is a sample of the Shaded Bark. The piece wasn't pretreated and is not Poplar as well, and thought that the color retention or penetration on the molding vs the actual Poplar wood was all but perfect.
 

The piece on the left is actually Poplar, and the molding piece on the right is your standard hardwood molding. Each piece received
only 1 coat of stain, and I let sit for about 10 minutes and wiped down.

This is a shot of the crown molding with just 1 coat of gloss poly applied. I usually rub the pieces down with 0000 steel wool between
coats, so the shine would actually increase with the additonal coats, but not to certain I want the super high gloss sheen as on my
last build.
 

meowzer

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WOW...I am so glad I am not picking out the stain...LOL...Could you imagine....look how long it takes me to decide on everything else
 

acrylic51

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Ok.....I got of my lazy butt today and headed back to Lowes to get the other sample of stain I'm looking at.....This one again is by Cabot, and is called Sangria...By my naked eye I don't see to much difference between the Shaded Bark and the Sangria. The Sangria does have a little more of a red tint than the Shaded Bark. I did another test sample with 3 of my favorites. I was rushing this time with the samples and weren't quite pleased, so maybe I'll do another test of all 3 before bed and let them dry properly, before putting a coat of poly on them. So here's the 3 choices so far, so let me know what you think!!!!! Again excuse the poor quality staining but was rushing around a bit.....

Shaded Bark

Sangria stain sample

Mahogony stain.....alittle darker than what I'm actually after though.
 
Again excuse the poor work....Was in a rush just wanted to see what they look like....I did notice this evening that when I applied the Shaded Bark if you let it sit a bit, it is way to dark....I remembered yesterday that I wiped it down almost immediately and got the color results like the first pic I posted yesterday. If I use that stain choice, I'll just have to remember to start wiping down right away....the Sangria didn't have that affect though. Maybe just the heat and humidity taking affect on things!!!! Let me know what you guy think.
 

2quills

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Wow...the cabot sangria looks nothing like the sangria that I used lol. And in your pictures it's almost hard to tell the difference between that and the shaded bark. So far the shaded bark gets my vote.
 

acrylic51

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Corey it is amazing how the colors can vary from brand to brand.....I'm actually leaning towards the Shaded Bark myself....I just have to remember that it can't sit very long or the color is to deep for my liking....I'll have to do it inside the house and see if the temp/humidity played a part of it as well. I am assuming it did, but I want to know ahead of time.
 
I've been thinking more about spraying the stand and canopy as well, and went out to the local WoodCraft store...I love that place, just they are pricey, but always have what I need or want....Corey what are you plans as far as finish; being Poly, Varnish, Lacquer?? I remember having a tad of a conversation along the lines about that, and doing alittle more digging on possibly going with a lacquer finish over a poly finish. Still not certain, but entertaining the idea. Also been doing a little research on waxing/polishing as well, which I've never done in the past, but think it could be ultra slick looking with patience. What is everyones idea as far as protective finishes????

 
Also while at WoodCraft today I came across these new fancy dancy hinges, that I had to have.....They have little cylinders on the back side, so the open and feel like your ordinary European hinges, but when you close them; instead of them snapping or slamming shut the little cylinder takes over and controls the closing action of the panel/door. I'll have to get a pic of the hinges, and might take a quick video showing them in action!!!!! I might have to change out all my hinges already installed to these depending how I like them on the canopy.
 
With that being said about the canopy!!!!!!!
I was dry fitting the front panel and other little adjustments, and I just wasn't totally pleased with the fit.....and I've decided to junk the front panel and recut a whole new panel. Most people would have looked at the cut being off a 1/32" as no big deal, but I have a bad habit of constantly looking at things like that and it will drive me nuts. I didn't think it bother me that bad till I started mocking things up, and was ready to grab the nailer and said NO......Hopefully I'll get the new panel cut before the shore this weekend!!!!
 

2quills

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I think the poly will give you an overal more durable finish. The laquer is a little easier to work with though. If it was a normal piece of furniture I'd probably do laquer. Varnish I think is just a name associated with both of those types of finishes if I'm not mistaken. I'll have to see these new hinges you're talking about...they do sound fancy.
 

acrylic51

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A little more progress. Finally got the bar top ledge cut and routed and dry fitted again. Need to do a little prep sandin, but will try to get and updated pic of the finishing touches on the stand....
 

acrylic51

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Ok guys!!!!! Need alot of input here!!!! Going to be recurring the main panel for the door on the canopy. My problem lies in; that not sure how I want to finish it off. Should I design the front door panel to match the doors throughout the build or should I cut a blank panel and carry the molding work across the bottom of the panel? Need some input!!!!
 

2quills

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I like the thought of the blank panel with the molding across. But I'm also trying to figure out the same thing of how I want it to work on my canopy. What I'm leaning towards is making it look like the doors and overlaping the molding a bit to cover the seems of the panel (if that makes sense). You could carry the molding all the way acroll the bottom and maybe still find some type of molding to cover the seems.
 
I'm still trying to work it all out in my head and just don't know which way to go yet either. It will probably just come down to mocking things up and seeing what works and what I like best.
 

2quills

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Also stopped by Sherwin Williams on the way home today and spoke with the guys up there. They carry this brand of stain called BAC Stain...it's supposed to be very high quality, super rich colors. The guy told me with the poplar it will more than likely only take one coat to get an awesome finish. Might take them some poplar pieces tommorow and they'll sample it on the wood.
 
They're also telling me that for this type of application for durability that the polyurethane would be most durable choice. They also make a Spar Varnish (urethane) that's suitable for marine use that can also be u.v. resistant. However the Lacquer has alot of good benefits to being that it dries quick in about a half hour you could do multiple coats in a single day and since it dries fast less chance of getting dust set into the finish. You also don't have to sand the lacquer between coats. There are differences though being that some are solvent based, oil based and water based. Still thinking about it but still leaning towards the urethane so far.
 
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