DO NOT DO as Meowzer did :(

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Gemmy http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/20#post_3411804
Just as an extra precaution check the cords on all the equipment just to make sure its in good working order.
Krista....IF it was a shock ....wouldn;t my inverts and corals have been affected????
Every time I have read about an electrical issue, inverts and corals suffered....mine are all fine
 

gemmy

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411810
Krista....IF it was a shock....wouldn;t my inverts and corals have been affected????
Every time I have read about an electrical issue, inverts and corals suffered....mine are all fine
I have heard a few very rare instances where only the fish were affected, but it very well could have been a coincidence. I was just thinking more along the lines of having all your ducks in a row type thing.
I think the fish may have suffered from lack of oxygen.
 

flower

Well-Known Member
What about the sponge you keep in the overflow?? Can you add that to help with bacteria? Put a new sponge in it's place and use the old one in the QT....I saved mine for just such a purpose
 

florida joe

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Exactly why I am against transferring sand from the infected tank, what if the fish is not the CONTAGION what if the substrate is the medium by which this disease is transmitted why take a chance it hopefully speed up the nitrification proses
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What if you are transferring a contagion? Doesn't the sick fish already have whatever it is?
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
I didn't find any info on the web about ingredients, but did see some comments about strange reactions from animals where this was used.
In any case, reef meds are not safe IMO and I will always continue to say so. I have seen corals completely blanch on reef meds. And I have even seen tanks slowly crash. The effectiveness of meds on fish is always a double edge sword anyway. The trick is to provide enough effective med, such as copper or formalin, to kill the parasite, without killing the fish. Everything in the tank takes a hit when medication is added to a display.
Anyway, sounds like you know what needs to be done....including setting up a permanent QT.
Shark fins may need to be confiscated, if you don't. :flamed:
 

meowzer

Moderator
There are no ingredients on the bottle either

YES....A qt will be set up by the end of the week. Tomorrow, while I am at work, my husban will add my sand barrier in the back corner of the tank.....I will then begin to prepare it to be a QT
We also decided....since I know the goby is not gonna jump into my hand....LOL....that the 54G will be re-aquascaped
I have always hated the wasted area in the back corner of this tank....NOW all the rock will go to the back...and I will have a nice open front sand bed (I HOPE)
BUT I am not gonna even try to mess with the goby until the 16G is ready LOL....OBVIOUSLY
BACK TO THE SAND.....Should I just use some dead, and a cup from the 225G?????
 

shobby

Member
Really sorry for the loss. If you are like me you want to cry, wondering what you could have done different. Very sad. Sorry.
Shelley
 

meowzer

Moderator
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Originally Posted by shobby http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411823
Really sorry for the loss. If you are like me you want to cry, wondering what you could have done different. Very sad. Sorry.
Shelley
Shelley.....the thing is I KNOW what I should have done differently......I should have had a QT....REMEMBER THAT!!!!
I really want people to learn from my dumb mistake.....I have no one or nothing to blame but my own foolish error.....I was lazy
 

florida joe

Well-Known Member
I think what need to be absolutely clear here is that the live sand you are adding to your QT/HT IS NOT from the infected tank but from another tank. This is important to understand so as to not give hobbyists with only one DT the idea that its ok to transfer sand from the infected tank to the QT/HT as cross contamination is something we do not want to ever do
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411827
Live sand from display. Dead sand doesn't do much good.
 

scott t

Active Member
Meowzer here is the MSDS for Herbtana the Ingredients are proprietary, this means that the company retains the right to keep them private and if you really need to know what they are you have to call the company and hope that they will release them to you, other wise they are not going to give them out because of a patent or they are seeking a patent on the product and until such time that they get approval for the patent if it is not a dangerous product they do not have to release the ingredients of it. which sucks!!
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MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET
PRODUCT: MICROBE-LIFT/ Herbtana
SECTION I: IDENTIFICATION
Manufactures Name: Ecological Laboratories, Inc.
Address: 2525 N.E. 9th Avenue
Cape Coral, FL 33909
Emergency Telephone: (800)424-9300 (outside the U.S.A. (202) 483-7616 collect)
Information Telephone: (800) 645-2976
Date Prepared: 03/01/2010
SECTION II: COMPOSITIONS/ INGREDIENTS
Ingredients are proprietary
SECTION III: PHYSICAL/CHEMICAL CHARACTERISTICS
Appearance: Milky white
Odor: Botanical Herbal Aromatic
pH: 5.0 – 8.0
Boiling point/range: 100o C
Melting point/range: 0.5o C
Flash point: None
Flammability: None
Vapor pressure: 9 mm Hg at 16º C (60º F)
SECTION IV: FIRE AND EXPLOSION HAZARD DATA
Flash Point: None
LEL: N/A
Unsuitable Extinguishing Media: N/A
Special Fire Fighting Procedures: N/A
Unusual Fire & Explosion Hazards: N/A
Fire & Explosion Hazard Summary: N/A
Flammable Limits: Non-flammable
UEL: N/A
SECTION V: REACTIVITY DATA
Stability: Stable.
Conditions to Avoid: Temperature below 45º F and above 90°F
Incompatibility (materials to avoid): Strong acids, alkalies, bleaching agents, and strong oxidizing agents.
Hazardous Decomposition or byproducts: Fire may cause the formation of carbon monoxide
Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur.
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SECTION VI: HEALTH HAZARD DATA
Signs & Symptoms of Exposure:
Inhalation: Move to fresh air
Skin: May cause slight irritation.
Ingestion: May result in extreme diarrhea
Eye Contact: This material may cause eye irritation
Health Hazards: None Known
Other effects of overexposure: May cause infection if in contact with open wounds.
Emergency & First Aid Procedures:
Skin: Remove contaminated clothing and footwear. Wash material off the skin with soap and water. Wash clothing and footwear before reuse.
Eyes: Immediately flush with water for at least 15 minutes and have eyes examined and treated by medical personnel.
Ingestion: Induce vomiting only if advised by physician or poison control center.
This product is non-toxic and non-pathogenic
SECTION VII: PRECAUTIONS FOR SAFE HANDLING, USE AND DISPOSAL
Storage Recommendation Store at temperature range between 50º F - 70º F
In Case of Fire: Use CO2, water fog, foam or dry chemical (which ever is appropriate for the type of fire involved)
In Case of Spill or Accidental Release: Spills and accidental release may be absorbed with
paper towels or rinsed to sanitary sewers.
Waste Disposal Procedures: Dispose of per local, state and federal regulations for nonhazardouse household chemicals.
The data and recommendations presented herein are based upon research of others and are believed to be accurate. However, no warranty is expressed or implied regarding these data or the results to be obtained from use thereof. Ecological Laboratories, Inc. assumes no responsibility for the injury to customers or third persons proximately caused by the material if reasonable safety procedures are not adhered to as stipulated in the data sheet. Additionally, since actual use by others is beyond our control, no guarantee, expressed or implied, is made by Ecological laboratories, Inc. as to the effect of such use, the results to be obtained or the safety and toxicity of the product, nor does Ecological Laboratories, Inc. assume any liability arising out of use, misuse, by others, of the product referred to herein. Information provided herein is provided by Ecological Laboratories, Inc. solely for customer’s assistance in complying with the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970 and regulations thereunder. Any other use is prohibited.
 

meowzer

Moderator
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411837
I think what need to be absolutely clear here is that the live sand you are adding to your QT/HT IS NOT from the infected tank but from another tank. This is important to understand so as to not give hobbyists with only one DT the idea that its ok to transfer sand from the infected tank to the QT/HT as cross contamination is something we do not want to ever do
YUP...Since I have NO clue what actually happened....I will be using live and from my 225G HEALTHY tank :)
I went ahead and did the 15G w/c in the 54G DT.....I figure the goby has to be in it for a few more days....I will be making up more fresh SW tonight and tomorrow to fill the 16G....and for another w/c probably
The herbtana has an odd odor to it too
 

scott t

Active Member
I wonder Meowzer it says on the MSDS pH: 5.0 – 8.0 could this have shot your pH thru the roof and that caused the fish deaths?? or would that have affected the Inverts and the Coral too??
 

meowzer

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott T http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411842
I wonder Meowzer it says on the MSDS pH: 5.0 – 8.0 could this have shot your pH thru the roof and that caused the fish deaths?? or would that have affected the Inverts and the Coral too??
Your guess is as good as mine at this point Scott.....BUT Don't you think that would have affected the goby???/ I mean this guy is a brute, LOL
THANKS AL.....No one to blame but myself :( JUST LEARN FROM IT
QT QT QT QT ETC
GRRRRR....Now I can't find my fake deco.....
 

meowzer

Moderator
YAYYYYY I FOUND THEM....I have a cave, 2 hollow logs..ONE LARGE, one medium, and a driftwood tree....a couple little things I don;t think I'll use
BUT I think I have plenty to make the fish very comfy with lots of hiding places....I'm gonna either put the cave or one of the logs over the sand section :)
 

kiefers

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411854
Your guess is as good as mine at this point Scott.....BUT Don't you think that would have affected the goby???/ I mean this guy is a brute, LOL
THANKS AL.....No one to blame but myself :( JUST LEARN FROM IT
QT QT QT QT ETC
GRRRRR....Now I can't find my fake deco.....
Can't find your fake deco? hmmmm have you looked in your Sea horse tank? Lol....
Have you decided what your going to do with your critters? Hypo/ copper? I may have missed this posted some where. Joe makes sense when referring to the sand, but do you really need sand? Have you thought about a coofee cup with a large hole in the bottom so the goby man can stick is head in/out of it? Tip it upside down. Just a thought.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411857
Can't find your fake deco? hmmmm have you looked in your Sea horse tank? Lol....
Have you decided what your going to do with your critters? Hypo/ copper? I may have missed this posted some where. Joe makes sense when referring to the sand, but do you really need sand? Have you thought about a coofee cup with a large hole in the bottom so the goby man can stick is head in/out of it? Tip it upside down. Just a thought.
I only have the one fish....My husband is going to build me a section in the corner of the 16G with plastic.....that will hold the sand in.....and I am gonna use live sand from my 225G
AND I am gonna do hypo
AND I FOUND THE DECO YAYYYY
 

kiefers

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411859
I only have the one fish....My husband is going to build me a section in the corner of the 16G with plastic.....that will hold the sand in.....and I am gonna use live sand from my 225G
AND I am gonna do hypo
AND I FOUND THE DECO YAYYYY
plzzzzzzzz tell me you gave spongebob his house back and you are not using it in you HT or (MICU) Lol....
 
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