DO NOT DO as Meowzer did :(

[meowzer]

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/40#post_3411860
plzzzzzzzz tell me you gave spongebob his house back and you are not using it in you HT or (MICU) Lol....
LOL...I still have it.....BUT I don't think I am going to need it in this qt....haha

 

[beth]

I think what need to be absolutely clear here is that the live sand you are adding to your QT/HT IS NOT from the infected tank but from another tank.  This is important to understand so as to not give hobbyists with only one DT the idea that its ok to transfer sand from the infected tank to the QT/HT as cross contamination is something we do not want to ever do 
 
 
My feeling is that it doesn't matter, as long as the display tank water conditions are good. The fish is already contaminated. It is going to contaminate the QT regardless of the sand. In Meow's case, it may be better not to use sand from the tank that she used the reef med in since it is questionable what killed the fish.
However, if you disagree about using display sand, that is ok.

 

[aquaknight]

I am a bit little to the party, but so sorry to hear what happened. Sometimes the hard way, is the only way we will force yourself to do some things. I also had a fish wipeout. Everyone in the vid, but the Panther Grouper perished (PBucket link). The conclusion was velvet. The thing was the tank was stable for about 2 weeks, before the outbreak, and all the fish died within a 12-20 hour window. Granted it wasn't a reef, but somewhat similar.

 

[beth]

Oodinium will wipe out a tank overnight, which is why I asked meow about that possibility. However, it seem the puffer had been in the tank too long for it to be this.

 

[meowzer]

OMG I forgot about me lemonpeel angel

I had a dream about it....and realized I have not recovered its body.....I do have a brittle star and some hermits among other snails and conch's
SOOOO....maybe they ate it.....I looked a little this morning....BUT I didn't have time to move anything around....Goby attacked the shrimp again...good sign for him I guess
I HAVE A QUESTION.....Can peppermint shrimp get ich or parasites? I am seeing some more aptasia pop up, and was thinking while the tank was empty of fish, maybe I could add some peps????

 

[kiefers]

no. Shrimp are not known getting ich. Exoskeleton. Leave them in the DT.

 

[florida joe]

So let me run this scenario by you. I have an unknown parasite that mimics the ick parasite in its life cycle of infecting the fish and falling off to multiply. This parasite completely falls off the fish .now I remove the fish to my QT. now in the hopes of getting a jump start on my bio filtration or because I feel I need sand for the fish I use the live sand from the infected tank. The sand happens to have the parasite in its divisional stage in it. now I have a situation where I moved a fish to most likely a smaller venue and may in fact be exposing it to the parasite where if I had not cross contaminated the tank I would have not. IMO it’s just not worth the chance to maybe get a jump on bio filtration
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My feeling is that it doesn't matter, as long as the display tank water conditions are good. The fish is already contaminated. It is going to contaminate the QT regardless of the sand

 

[meowzer]

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/60#post_3411952
no. Shrimp are not known getting ich. Exoskeleton. Leave them in the DT.
There are no shrimp in the tank ATM.,.....My flame hawk made sure of that.....I was just wondering IF I got some could I put them in the tank??
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/60#post_3411956
So let me run this scenario by you. I have an unknown parasite that mimics the ick parasite in its life cycle of infecting the fish and falling off to multiply. This parasite completely falls off the fish .now I remove the fish to my QT. now in the hopes of getting a jump start on my bio filtration or because I feel I need sand for the fish I use the live sand from the infected tank. The sand happens to have the parasite in its divisional stage in it. now I have a situation where I moved a fish to most likely a smaller venue and may in fact be exposing it to the parasite where if I had not cross contaminated the tank I would have not. IMO it’s just not worth the chance to maybe get a jump on bio filtration
JOE, How do you feel about me using live sand from the 225G??

 

[kiefers]

If I remember correctly, you can get shrimp, acclimate to the DT and they will be good. No preditors to worry about. Until you re introduce the hawk or another.

 

[florida joe]

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/60#post_3411959
There are no shrimp in the tank ATM.,.....My flame hawk made sure of that.....I was just wondering IF I got some could I put them in the tank??
JOE, How do you feel about me using live sand from the 225G??
thats the way i would go
BTW
Just a side note to newer members or those thinking of joining. Beth and I have been on both the same side and opposite sides of the fence on many issues. What makes this site so great is that there are members who believe in what they post and try to present their views for others to consider. So I challenge all members to bring something to the table on the many issues posted on the various topics presented on the boards if they feel they are of value.
We do this site an injustice if we just sit on the sidelines for fear of debate

 

[kiefers]

I don't understand why you need the sand. You say it's because the critter needs it or it will die? I am not familiar with this speces. If your going to hypo that is good and you can add the sand. But why not water from another established tank. I know the tank itself may not be cycled but the water from another DT should help that along right?

 

[meowzer]

The Longfin Sleeper Goby is a sand stirrer/dweller.....he lives in a burrow he made under the rock in the sand

 

[florida joe]

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/60#post_3411970
I don't understand why you need the sand. You say it's because the critter needs it or it will die? I am not familiar with this speces. If your going to hypo that is good and you can add the sand. But why not water from another established tank. I know the tank itself may not be cycled but the water from another DT should help that along right?
There are fish that live in or sift the sand. They are genetically programed to do this. If the fish is already stressed due to bacteria or parasitic infection you would want to lessen the stress by presenting a QT/HT that allows it to do what it is programed to do. As for the water nothing is really gained by using water from one tank to another as very little if any useful bacteria is found in the water column

 

[kiefers]

hmmm so in theory, it would be a good idea if one has a fish of this type to maybe keep some in the fuge. like maybe in a couple of 1 gallon zip lock bags with hole punched into it in case something like this happens to some one elses tank? I want a sand sifter of some sort so planning ahead.

 

[beth]

Just a side note to newer members or those thinking of joining. Beth and I have been on both the same side and opposite sides of the fence on many issues. What makes this site so great is that there are members who believe in what they post and try to present their views for others to consider. So I challenge all members to bring something to the table on the many issues posted on the various topics presented on the boards if they feel they are of value.
We do this site an injustice if we just sit on the sidelines for fear of debate

Sometimes too many opinions and general what-if discussions results in someone in crisis not knowing exactly what to do since they get a bunch of conflicting opinions rather than decisiveness and clear direction.
The thing for hobbyists to do is to set up a quarantine tank for in-coming fish so that they will never have a reason to introduce a parasite into their fish tank. However, when that is not done, and the hobbyist is dealing with a crisis, such as Meow is here, then the plan has to be tweaked. I recommend using the live sand because that sand has biological colonies on it which will help to kick start the biofilter in an uncycled QT and will aid maintaining a biofilter due to the surface space for colonies to grow on tiny grains of sand, as opposed to just a bare-bottom tank.
The chances of a fish exposed to ich not contaminating a QT, while the sand from a contaminated tank does is not very likely, and in my opinion doesn’t outweigh the benefits you get from the added live sand. What do you think happens to a QT when you bring fish home from the fish store and put it in the QT? You are going to introduce a parasite or a disease at some point. Introducing a pathogen to the QT rather than the display is the point for using a QT, right?
In Meow’s case, certainly she can use sand from another tank, which is likely a good idea since we don’t really know if the medication she put into the display in question caused the wipeout. Meow has said that she is going to do hypo on the goby. If that is the case, then hypo will kill ich on the fish and/or ich on the sand, or wherever it is. The goal is get a viable emergency tank up and running ASAP to treat a disease, not trying to keep the parasite you are going to treat anyway out of the tank.

 

[novahobbies]

Oh, Lois, I'm so sorry to hear what happened. It's certainly a hard lesson to live through; but as you say, it's worth posting our failures as well as our successes in the hopes that new members can learn from our stories, rather than from repeated mistakes. I know a QT was always something you were looking to find room for -- hopefully the 16g can become a permanent QT for you.
I suppose I should point out that just having a QT tank isn't enough. Keeping a fish in quarantine for a full cycle is also imperative. Remember back when I FINALLY got that Chevron Tang? Most expensive fish I ever purchased. And.....I rushed QT. 3 weeks, I think, before the fish found itself in the display tank. Sure enough, it came down with ich within a week, and wiped out a few fish in the process. That's the last time I EVER rushed a QT period, but I still haven't forgotten that loss. QT periods are long for our benefit as much as the new inhabitant's....and should NOT be rushed.

 

[kiefers]

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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/60#post_3411978
There are fish that live in or sift the sand. They are genetically programed to do this. If the fish is already stressed due to bacteria or parasitic infection you would want to lessen the stress by presenting a QT/HT that allows it to do what it is programed to do. As for the water nothing is really gained by using water from one tank to another as very little if any useful bacteria is found in the water column
so, how about some fiter media in a refugium where it is always in contact with that water or flow. for example, if one takes their media or something like maybe sand from an established tank, and always leave it in the refgium, that way if something comes up one has it ready.
EDIT: After reading this post, the problem still is the same, it's in the contaminated water.......... dang. On another note,........ahhhhhh nvrmind Lol..... I have to think this through.

 

[bugsman]

I'm just reading this thread and being the newb I am I have no advice - just wanted to say really sorry to hear about the loss of your fish. It's very sad.
I'm going to head over and read about setting up a QT tank because after reading all this, I think mine is not set up correctly at all. I'm hesitant to add a new fish to my DT anyway, one of my black and white percs is really aggressive. Can't put my hand in the tank when the lights are on without getting pecked at.
Good luck meowser, I hope it all turns out well.

 

[florida joe]

And sometimes too few opinions only consist of wrong info. Because someone is decisive and clear cut in their advice that does not make them right.
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Sometimes too many opinions and general what-if discussions results in someone in crisis not knowing exactly what to do since they get a bunch of conflicting opinions rather than decisiveness and clear direction.

 

[meowzer]

WELL...even though I am not home....my sand barrier has been installed...LOL...SO when I get home I will fill the tank with the NEW sw....and add the sand to the sand box (LOL) from the 225G.....I will then take the filter media from my 29G tank and place it in the 16G filter....HOPEFULLY that will be enough biological stuffesses haha
I will run the filter, and put in one of my spare maxijets powerheads....
OK...NEXT QUESTION.....How do I know when it is ready for the goby to go in? (I'm just not seeing that in the instructions here)