DO NOT DO as Meowzer did :(
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412110
When will the QT be finished and ready to go? It looks like it is going to work out pretty good. Is this going to be your permanent QT now?
After being driven through hot coals in this topic, you better come up with a permanent QT.
I'm going to put the sand and water in tonight and of course start running the filter.....I'm gonna use a filter pad from my 29G and sand from the 225G
YES...this will be my permanent QT....LOL....I have some good deco too.....You will see it later tonight
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412110
When will the QT be finished and ready to go? It looks like it is going to work out pretty good. Is this going to be your permanent QT now?
After being driven through hot coals in this topic, you better come up with a permanent QT.
I'm going to put the sand and water in tonight and of course start running the filter.....I'm gonna use a filter pad from my 29G and sand from the 225G
YES...this will be my permanent QT....LOL....I have some good deco too.....You will see it later tonight
florida joe
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BTW Beth dear heart does this not remind you of the good old days
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Oh and can you guys please type a little lower over here. You're disturbing the other threads.
i am trying but its hard typing while i am sitting on the floor
cranberry
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/80#post_3412023
You quote “If that is the case, then hypo will kill ich on the fish and/or ich on the sand, or wherever it is”
Sorry but this is just not true. As I am sure you well know the two known ways to brake the life cycle of ick is to attack it in its free swimming stage(copper) or its divisional stage.(Hypo) I have never seen any info stating that either method works while the fish is infected. If you have info the contrary please post it
Joe, that's not what she is saying. She's not saying you can kill the encapsulated Ich with treatment, but once they release themselves and enter the water column, they will be killed by this treatment before they get to the fish.
Everything is a risk when we have so many unknowns. So, most times our decisions are based on calculated risks. There is a chance she'll bring the parasite over in the sand. Then there's a chance she'll kill the fish in an uncycled tank. So, one has to ask themselves, which risk is greater in a given situation. I personally think there is more of a risk of putting a fish in an uncycled tank then there is a risk with bringing it over in the sand. Because like Beth said, once they are released in the water column, the treatment will get them.
Hypo tanks are hard to deal with. It's not a stable environment to begin with. It is much less of a risk when it is cycled.
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/80#post_3412023
You quote “If that is the case, then hypo will kill ich on the fish and/or ich on the sand, or wherever it is”
Sorry but this is just not true. As I am sure you well know the two known ways to brake the life cycle of ick is to attack it in its free swimming stage(copper) or its divisional stage.(Hypo) I have never seen any info stating that either method works while the fish is infected. If you have info the contrary please post it
Joe, that's not what she is saying. She's not saying you can kill the encapsulated Ich with treatment, but once they release themselves and enter the water column, they will be killed by this treatment before they get to the fish.
Everything is a risk when we have so many unknowns. So, most times our decisions are based on calculated risks. There is a chance she'll bring the parasite over in the sand. Then there's a chance she'll kill the fish in an uncycled tank. So, one has to ask themselves, which risk is greater in a given situation. I personally think there is more of a risk of putting a fish in an uncycled tank then there is a risk with bringing it over in the sand. Because like Beth said, once they are released in the water column, the treatment will get them.
Hypo tanks are hard to deal with. It's not a stable environment to begin with. It is much less of a risk when it is cycled.
scott t
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/80#post_3412101
We are talking emergency tank so
I am really confused now. Feeding once a day for three days is better than putting a piece of shrimp once in your tank. Perhaps it’s time to rewrite the books on starting the nitrogen cycle. The reason for the rubble rock is why? Does this rubble rock now mystery has bio filtration on it or is it going to somehow call the bacteria for nitrification to it.
You introduce a piece of raw shrimp which ROTS over a period of time BUT how is it better to introduce whatever you use to feed your fish once a day? Will these pieces SLOWLY GRASFULLY DEGRADE each piece starting from the beginning to degrade when you introduce it into your tank. Your biofiltraiion grows exponentially as you feed it. Let the continually ROTTING SHRIMP continue to feed your nitrifying bacteria. Once it is established remove it.
As far as you being good to go. You will be when you can handle ammonia and nitrites by biological or mechanical means.
I am still trying to understand the difference between a good marine biological filter and a bad marine bio filter
Sorry but as a very average hobbyist I need to ask if I use a pump from one tank to another and in doing so once I stop the pump do I not syphon some water back from the pumped to the tank I am pumping. If we are talking about absolutes then using the same pump can cause cross contamination I believe Yes, that very well may be true Joe, but if you have broken the Life cycle or killed ich off wouldn't the risk of cross contamination be lessened? As I had stated before, that I would NOT, use anything that had been used in my QT on my DT unless it was filly disinfected.. I have a bucket next to my QT in which I keep everything for it in. I have separate nets, tubing for Drip acclimation, buckets, ect, for each tank. I will not run the risk to introduce something in to my DT that has taken me so long to set up and get running...
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/80#post_3412101
We are talking emergency tank so
I am really confused now. Feeding once a day for three days is better than putting a piece of shrimp once in your tank. Perhaps it’s time to rewrite the books on starting the nitrogen cycle. The reason for the rubble rock is why? Does this rubble rock now mystery has bio filtration on it or is it going to somehow call the bacteria for nitrification to it.
You introduce a piece of raw shrimp which ROTS over a period of time BUT how is it better to introduce whatever you use to feed your fish once a day? Will these pieces SLOWLY GRASFULLY DEGRADE each piece starting from the beginning to degrade when you introduce it into your tank. Your biofiltraiion grows exponentially as you feed it. Let the continually ROTTING SHRIMP continue to feed your nitrifying bacteria. Once it is established remove it.
As far as you being good to go. You will be when you can handle ammonia and nitrites by biological or mechanical means.
I am still trying to understand the difference between a good marine biological filter and a bad marine bio filter
Sorry but as a very average hobbyist I need to ask if I use a pump from one tank to another and in doing so once I stop the pump do I not syphon some water back from the pumped to the tank I am pumping. If we are talking about absolutes then using the same pump can cause cross contamination I believe Yes, that very well may be true Joe, but if you have broken the Life cycle or killed ich off wouldn't the risk of cross contamination be lessened? As I had stated before, that I would NOT, use anything that had been used in my QT on my DT unless it was filly disinfected.. I have a bucket next to my QT in which I keep everything for it in. I have separate nets, tubing for Drip acclimation, buckets, ect, for each tank. I will not run the risk to introduce something in to my DT that has taken me so long to set up and get running...
florida joe
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Obviously if we have killed the entire ick parasite there cannot be cross contamination. It is when we are transferring water from one tank to another and the parasites is still present that using the same pump can be detrimental
florida joe
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Renee first things first please tell me you have fishnets on and a particle mask (sorry Greg I had to ask) now you know Renee I have very few moments of clarity. So perhaps when she said “hypo will kill ich on the fish and/or on the sand, or wherever it is” I should have known that that is NOT what she meant.
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412115
Joe, that's not what she is saying. She's not saying you can kill the encapsulated Ich with treatment, but once they release themselves and enter the water column, they will be killed by this treatment before they get to the fish.
Everything is a risk when we have so many unknowns. So, most times our decisions are based on calculated risks. There is a chance she'll bring the parasite over in the sand. Then there's a chance she'll kill the fish in an uncycled tank. So, one has to ask themselves, which risk is greater in a given situation. I personally think there is more of a risk of putting a fish in an uncycled tank then there is a risk with bringing it over in the sand. Because like Beth said, once they are released in the water column, the treatment will get them.
Hypo tanks are hard to deal with. It's not a stable environment to begin with. It is much less of a risk when it is cycled.
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412115
Joe, that's not what she is saying. She's not saying you can kill the encapsulated Ich with treatment, but once they release themselves and enter the water column, they will be killed by this treatment before they get to the fish.
Everything is a risk when we have so many unknowns. So, most times our decisions are based on calculated risks. There is a chance she'll bring the parasite over in the sand. Then there's a chance she'll kill the fish in an uncycled tank. So, one has to ask themselves, which risk is greater in a given situation. I personally think there is more of a risk of putting a fish in an uncycled tank then there is a risk with bringing it over in the sand. Because like Beth said, once they are released in the water column, the treatment will get them.
Hypo tanks are hard to deal with. It's not a stable environment to begin with. It is much less of a risk when it is cycled.
scott t
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412120
It doesn't matter.... the hypo will kill anything that comes from the DT.
Renee, we are still only talking about ich here right? Or is hypo proven to kill all parasites or other disease that the fish might have, if it is not in fact infected with ich??
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412120
It doesn't matter.... the hypo will kill anything that comes from the DT.
Renee, we are still only talking about ich here right? Or is hypo proven to kill all parasites or other disease that the fish might have, if it is not in fact infected with ich??
florida joe
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412120
It doesn't matter.... the hypo will kill anything that comes from the DT.
Another blanket statement do you mean hypo will kill the ick parasite or do you mean as you stated anything detrimental to our fish transferred to a HT
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412120
It doesn't matter.... the hypo will kill anything that comes from the DT.
Another blanket statement do you mean hypo will kill the ick parasite or do you mean as you stated anything detrimental to our fish transferred to a HT
cranberry
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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412122
Another blanket statement do you mean hypo will kill the ick parasite or do you mean as you stated anything detrimental to our fish transferred to a HT
We are talking about Ich here, Joe. Take a guess.
Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412122
Another blanket statement do you mean hypo will kill the ick parasite or do you mean as you stated anything detrimental to our fish transferred to a HT
We are talking about Ich here, Joe. Take a guess.
cranberry
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Originally Posted by Scott T http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412121
Renee, we are still only talking about ich here right? Or is hypo proven to kill all parasites or other disease that the fish might have, if it is not in fact infected with ich??
Ich, as is the topic.
Originally Posted by Scott T http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412121
Renee, we are still only talking about ich here right? Or is hypo proven to kill all parasites or other disease that the fish might have, if it is not in fact infected with ich??
Ich, as is the topic.
scott t
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412123
Adding a QT to your hobby experience is one of the best step ups you can do. The peace of mind alone is priceless. In time, the QT process integrates into the experience in pleasant ways as you learn to really get into the habit of studying your fish in QT.
I full agree with you with having a QT and I agree that every new hobbyist should first set up a QT to ensure that they do not introduce parasites into their DT. The first thing that was set up for me was my QT ( it was 7 months before my DT was set up I think) just so I would know and have a piece of mind that what I was going to add to my DT was not infected with anything. This has given me a greater piece of mind so I am not constantly looking at my fish in the DT to ensure that they have something.
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412123
Adding a QT to your hobby experience is one of the best step ups you can do. The peace of mind alone is priceless. In time, the QT process integrates into the experience in pleasant ways as you learn to really get into the habit of studying your fish in QT.
I full agree with you with having a QT and I agree that every new hobbyist should first set up a QT to ensure that they do not introduce parasites into their DT. The first thing that was set up for me was my QT ( it was 7 months before my DT was set up I think) just so I would know and have a piece of mind that what I was going to add to my DT was not infected with anything. This has given me a greater piece of mind so I am not constantly looking at my fish in the DT to ensure that they have something.
florida joe
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412124
We are talking about Ich here, Joe. Take a guess.
Sorry I guess I did not understand that the phrase anything meant only ick. BTW are we even sure the culprit in Lois tank is in fact ick
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412124
We are talking about Ich here, Joe. Take a guess.
Sorry I guess I did not understand that the phrase anything meant only ick. BTW are we even sure the culprit in Lois tank is in fact ick
scott t
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412125
Ich, as is the topic.
Thank you Renee I just wanted to be clear that we were just talking about ich and not other forms of parasites or diseases that a fish might get or have.
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412129
A QT without treatment isn't a guarantee. A QT is a time where you HOPE you see it, as it is a stressful time, but you may not. It's our best bet, though (besides prophylactic treatment of course).
I dont think that anything is a guarantee in this hobby. Our best HOPE as you put it is that we get parasite free fish, and that upon observation in the QT we do not see that our fish have some parasite or disease that they have brought with them. If everything in the hobby was a guarantee then I dont think that we would need a forum like this were we can share and debate issues with our little pieces of the ocean that we keep in the little glass box for us to enjoy!!!
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412125
Ich, as is the topic.
Thank you Renee I just wanted to be clear that we were just talking about ich and not other forms of parasites or diseases that a fish might get or have.
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Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/100#post_3412129
A QT without treatment isn't a guarantee. A QT is a time where you HOPE you see it, as it is a stressful time, but you may not. It's our best bet, though (besides prophylactic treatment of course).
I dont think that anything is a guarantee in this hobby. Our best HOPE as you put it is that we get parasite free fish, and that upon observation in the QT we do not see that our fish have some parasite or disease that they have brought with them. If everything in the hobby was a guarantee then I dont think that we would need a forum like this were we can share and debate issues with our little pieces of the ocean that we keep in the little glass box for us to enjoy!!!