DO NOT DO as Meowzer did :(

meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by tangs rule http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/120#post_3412250
Sounds like you have a plan - just keep an eye on the 225. Since ich was likely present in your 54 for a couple weeks before it "took over" just keep a close eye on the 225. Like stated earlier - i;ve 2 dry 75g tanks & stands - 1 std. 75e and 1 "cube" dutch aquaruim systems that if needed, I can drive 1/2 way to deliver to yall to borrow. I've also got all the filters/heaters/powerheads/strip lights/etc to get either running as a qtine system if something bad shows up - just add water. No sense having to spend hundreds more buying a large tank& equip just to save your fishes in the 225. I keep them empty in case something breaks out in my big dt - so don't hesitate to pm if needed - paris tx is only an hour away

THANKS.....The offer is very much appreciated.....If something happens to the 225G I'm just gonna kill myself anyway
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Meowzer, I feel that you already know the answers to most of these questions, you are a very saavy aquarist with much education and experience, although it is different when it happens to you. I admire you very much because you put yourself on display sort of speak and opened your self up. Nice to see not only from an experienced hobbyst but from a moderator. I know that your going to take care of your patients nicely. Now, for you...... go and get a Margarita or 5 and some nachos. You have deserved it.

Kiefers i do believe you have some brown stuff on your nose
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412263
THANKS.....The offer is very much appreciated.....If something happens to the 225G I'm just gonna kill myself anyway
Stop it...you will frighten all the newbies. Surely you have learned by now that every fish tank has three stages...
Perfect, may it always stay that way (it won't)
Building....some day it will look just the way I want it to..BIG SIGH someday... (it will, but look at the above statement for what to expect)
Last but not least...HOLY CRAP! WHAT HAPPENED!!! (this stage is what going on when the first two stages are not)
Someday it will look like I want it to...stage

My beautiful perfect sea horse tank one month ago

Today.....in the HOLY CRAP! WHAT HAPPENED!!! stage
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412271
Stop it...you will frighten all the newbies. Surely you have learned by now that every fish tank has three stages...
Perfect, may it always stay that way (it won't)
Building....some day it will look just the way I want it to..BIG SIGH someday... (it will, but look at the above statement for what to expect)
Last but not least...HOLY CRAP! WHAT HAPPENED!!! (this stage is what going on when the first two stages are not)
Someday it will look like I want it to...stage
My beautiful perfect sea horse tank one month ago
Today.....in the HOLY CRAP! WHAT HAPPENED!!! stage
LOL....Flower I can always count on you for a smile.....
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412272
LOL....Flower I can always count on you for a smile.....
I'm slow on the edit...I even posted the stages of my SH tank...I swear...I'm ready to transfer all my stock to the refugium...take the display apart and scrub it...replace the live sand (since I enriched it for nutrients for sea grasses) and reset the whole thing up. I put all the coral I could into the 90g to heal from being choked out by hair algae. I can't stand it...I pluck on it every day and do a small water change everyday...now I added the Aquaripure and Phosphate reactor. I'm a little worred about this stuff when it does start to die off.
 
meowzer

meowzer

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UPDATE
Did a water test.....ammonia is .25 nitrites 0 nitrates 0 wierd...LOL....I guess the little bit of sand I put in cause a little ammonia rise

I also added the rio 600 powerhead...It looks semi cloudy in the picture...BUT that is because it is picking up glare from all the surrounding tanks and tv too....LOL

LOL...HMMM....left of the tank reflection is the tv and horse tank...CTR looks like me...the right is the 225G LOLOL....the side piece of tank backing will be cut off tonight too
 
florida joe

florida joe

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You used the sand from the established tank? Right. And you did not put a piece of shrimp is that correct
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412351
UPDATE
Did a water test.....ammonia is .25 nitrites 0 nitrates 0 wierd...LOL....I guess the little bit of sand I put in cause a little ammonia rise

I also added the rio 600 powerhead...It looks semi cloudy in the picture...BUT that is because it is picking up glare from all the surrounding tanks and tv too....LOL

LOL...HMMM....left of the tank reflection is the tv and horse tank...CTR looks like me...the right is the 225G LOLOL....the side piece of tank backing will be cut off tonight too
 
beth

beth

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No, no need to do anything else. But don't move the fish until you get zeros. With what you have in there, you shouldn't have much of a cycle process.
Is that log for marine tanks?
 
meowzer

meowzer

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Originally Posted by florida joe http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412373
You used the sand from the established tank? Right. And you did not put a piece of shrimp is that correct
YES...and NO
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/387603/do-not-do-as-meowzer-did/140#post_3412374
No, no need to do anything else. But don't move the fish until you get zeros. With what you have in there, you shouldn't have much of a cycle process.
Is that log for marine tanks?
According to the label it could be....it's just an ornament from Walmart....I looked it up best I could and this is a description I found...these are the same type of ornaments we put in our seahorse tanks
Pure Aquatic's Weathered Hollow Log Aquarium Ornament makes a realistic addition to your freshwater aquarium or terrarium. Long lasting polyresin material is also ideal for saltwater use.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Lois first you need to understand that I may not be the most intelligent hobbyist on the site BUT I will never knowingly tell you to do something to harm your tank inhabitance. Now let’s start from the beginning. You set up a HT added saltwater and sand from your established tank. if that is ALL you added and you did not transfer a critter that was in the sand and that critter died you will not and should not have any ammonia present. DID YOU ADD any food or a piece of shrimp to the tank
 
meowzer

meowzer

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NO...I added fresh SW, used (LIVE) sand from the 225G, which was really funky...LOL
A used filter pad from my 29G....NO FISH, and as far as I know I have no hitchhikers...LOL....I DO KNOW That the sand was stirred up and there was a lot of debris in it...it was very cloudy when I first put it in...this tank is over 3 years old....and apparently the sand I dug out was dirty :(
 
beth

beth

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Joe, now that we are on auto-pilot with Meow's QT, let me go back and respond to some of your challenges. I think much can be explained by misunderstanding of what I said, or was trying to say.
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How can we be sure without a microscopic evaluation of the sand that there are any colonies of nitrifying bacteria on the sand? So this is an opinion and not necessarily fact
I may not know for sure without a microscopic, however, sand and rock are the primary sources for natural biological filtration in the aquaria. And even if a lot of this is killed off while transferring from tank to tank, the surface area of the grains of sand supply massive areas for this filter to re-establish in a way that you won’t get in a sterile new setup with a QT. Why do we spend hundreds of dollars buying live sand? For the biofilter it offers.
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Although the tank may be bare bottomed the area in which the colonies of nitrifying bacteria will grow are those which come in contact with nutrient rich food (ammonia nitrites and nitrates) this area is most likely the mechanical filter material placed in the filter of the HT/QT. IMO a HT/QT does not contain many fish so the bio load is small the sand may in fact never come in contact with the nutrients it needs to sustain any bacteria

Meow is going to add a filter, I believe she said, of course with the bacteria. The bit of sand and rock I’ve suggested will provide even more, and it will also be more accommodating to this goby.

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I most certainly recommend using a QT BUT I know many hobbyists that have never QT and have never introduced a parasite or disease into their tank. So again there is no guarantee one way or the other

This is a myth or wishful thinking. If you are in this hobby for any length of time, and keep fish, you will get a fish with a parasite. It may go unnoticed; it may stay in relative check, but fish do have parasites, and they are introduced to our tanks at some point. The question is, do you want to deal with it in the display or the QT? Anyway, my point was related to your concern about introducing ich on the sand from the contaminated tank. I just meant to say that it didn’t matter much if the sand had ich, since meow was going to treat her QT with hypo.
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Sorry but this is just not true. As I am sure you well know the two known ways to brake the life cycle of ick is to attack it in its free swimming stage(copper) or its divisional stage.(Hypo) I have never seen any info stating that either method works while the fish is infected. If you have info the contrary please post it
I think you were misunderstanding the point I was trying to make. I was saying that ich will be killed because meow was doing hypo in the tank. Everything in the tank will be exposed to the treatment, and this treatment will kill ich, including what is introduced by sand or pumps. Yes, that was mis-stated by me as hypo kills in free-swimming.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Sand and rock are the primary source of bio- dinitrification not necessarily nitrification. That is accomplished were ever the nitrifying bacteria find the most opportunistic place to colonize. But Lois has other issues to address. If she is not getting any organic brake down why is she reading ammonia?
however, sand and rock are the primary sources for natural biological filtration in the aquaria
 
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