Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

[flower]

 
Just how tight does it have to be? I doubt I could get a zip tie all that tight, and I believe those clamps need a dreaded screwdriver to tighten? What about those clamps you hold open with a pair of pliers and just release.
 

 
 
Next question...all of the clamps mentioned are metal so how can they be used on the return pump? Meowzers idea of a zip tie may be the only way to go.
 
Also I was wondering about the water that goes into the refugium, Won't the water going into there need to be defused somehow..otherwise it will make a mess of sand and splash all over the place.

 

[u mike]

Flower I found these clamps at my lfs work really good. look at marine dpot they sell them. they are made of black plastic. I looked on SWF they do not have them.

 

[flower]

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by u mike http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313171
Flower I found these clamps at my lfs work really good. look at marine dpot they sell them. they are made of black plastic. I looked on SWF they do not have them.

 
 
 
I don't see a picture.

..but now I know to look for plastic clamps, so let me see what I can google..Thanks!
 
EDIT:
 
I found some! They look like fancy zip ties...Good morning by the way...So I'm not the only one up with the chickens! Or like me you haven't really gone to bed?
 

 

 

[acrylic51]

Quote:Originally Posted by Al&Burke http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/160#post_3313132
It is very easy Flower, If you put the end of the vinyl tube that you are going to connect in a cup of hot (boiling water) it will go on the barb very easily. All you have to do is just put a hose clamp on so that the hose won't slip off under the pressure of the water, especially on the return line.
 
 

Excellent tip with the boiling water!!!! Super easy...

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313177
Excellent tip with the boiling water!!!! Super easy...

 
Good Morning Shawn!
 
Al's idea is great and I understand about the boiling water, but he said I still need a hose clamp...I was concerned about the clamp being metal..so we were looking at plastic clamps, I was also thinking of how to defuse the output of the hose going into the refugium so it wouldn't wreak havoc on the sand in there and make splashes.
 

 

[u mike]

yes they are the ones i was talking about. they work really well. yes I get up about 4 am everyday!!!!!
uote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313172
 

 
 
 
I don't see a picture.

..but now I know to look for plastic clamps, so let me see what I can google..Thanks!
 
EDIT:
 
I found some! They look like fancy zip ties...Good morning by the way...So I'm not the only one up with the chickens! Or like me you haven't really gone to bed?
 

 

 

[flower]

 
 
U Mike...I hope they don't need to be replaced everyday...LOL why do you have to buy so many?

 

[u mike]

you only buy the sizes you need. just remember it is the outside diameter you measure.the best thing about these clamps there is no rust like metal ones, can be opened very eaisly.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313180

 
 
U Mike...I hope they don't need to be replaced everyday...LOL why do you have to buy so many?

 

[flower]

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by u mike http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313196
you only buy the sizes you need. just remember it is the outside diameter you measure.the best thing about these clamps there is no rust like metal ones, can be opened very eaisly.
 
 

 
LOL...U Mike...I thought it read that you buy 4 of em everyday....but you said you get UP at 4am everyday..LOL I really need to go to bed...

 

 

[acrylic51]

Yes the plastic clamps will work.... With barbed fittings off the bulkheads and how tight the fit will be plastic would work. Outsid the tank the stainless steel clamps would be just fine though, it's in the sump you don't want the metal. You have to be mindfull of the metal clamps; they can pinch the hose if careless.

 

[2quills]

Definately don't want any metal in the sump. The plastic ring clamps will be fine, you'll just need to pinch them tight with a pair of pliers. I'm still waiting for a response from cpr about the bulkheads they use on their overflows. I'm almost positive they are slip but I wish someone who had one would show up and tell us for sure. I've seen these on one of the other sites and think they would be a good option to use on the drain line for the T.
 

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313221
Yes the plastic clamps will work.... With barbed fittings off the bulkheads and how tight the fit will be plastic would work. Outsid the tank the stainless steel clamps would be just fine though, it's in the sump you don't want the metal. You have to be mindfull of the metal clamps; they can pinch the hose if careless.

 
Hey...am I driving you crazy with questions yet? Do I need to worry about the water that comes into the refugium, will it push all the sand to one side like a power head does?...I know others have refugiums but not as a seperate tank with a hose directly into it.
 

 

[u mike]

NO the water in the refugium will not move any sand as long as there is a even amount of water flowing through the sump & with the brain trust working on this project that will not be a problem. you have a A+ group of people working on this project. that is why I am keeping close tabs on this post so i can learn more about this hobby.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313260

 
Hey...am I driving you crazy with questions yet? Do I need to worry about the water that comes into the refugium, will it push all the sand to one side like a power head does?...I know others have refugiums but not as a seperate tank with a hose directly into it.
 

 

[acrylic51]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313260

 
Hey...am I driving you crazy with questions yet? Do I need to worry about the water that comes into the refugium, will it push all the sand to one side like a power head does?...I know others have refugiums but not as a seperate tank with a hose directly into it.
 
No, Not bothering me at all with the questions!!!! As u mike stated the water entering the fuge won't blow the sand around.....Corey I had forgotten about the "T" you found there.....haven't seen those in ages.

 

[2quills]

Well the people over at CPR responded back to my email. Their bulkeads are Slip style so that's good to know.
 
I believe the goal for flow through the fuge, Flower will be about 1/3rd of the drain water to flow through your fuge and that other 2/3rds through the skimmer side. So the sand shouldn't be effected by that at all. However, even though we want the drain water to run through the fuge slowly, it would still be adventagous to run a powerhead in there for circulation in order for the sand bed and or live rock rubble to be effective at breaking down ammonia as well as macro (if you chose to have some) for the consumption of nitrates. So we want slow flow but good circulation if that makes sense. The powerhead doesn't have to be aimed towards the sand though.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313641
Well the people over at CPR responded back to my email. Their bulkeads are Slip style so that's good to know.
 
I believe the goal for flow through the fuge, Flower will be about 1/3rd of the drain water to flow through your fuge and that other 2/3rds through the skimmer side. So the sand shouldn't be effected by that at all. However, even though we want the drain water to run through the fuge slowly, it would still be adventagous to run a powerhead in there for circulation in order for the sand bed and or live rock rubble to be effective at breaking down ammonia as well as macro (if you chose to have some) for the consumption of nitrates. So we want slow flow but good circulation if that makes sense. The powerhead doesn't have to be aimed towards the sand though.

 
A very small power head came wtth my in tank refugium...I could put that in there. I may need a little bridge area for it to be set in so it won't suck up sand. I have a #1 Koralia but it might be too strong for such a small area Or I could put an air tube in there for cIrculation..

Please advise.
 

 

[acrylic51]

The small pump you have would work just fine....Is there any suction cups on the pump? Worse case you could do a little modification with a little super glue to attach some suction cups. But yes additional circulation would be good.

 

[flower]

Quote:
Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313700
The small pump you have would work just fine....Is there any suction cups on the pump? Worse case you could do a little modification with a little super glue to attach some suction cups. But yes additional circulation would be good.

 
No suction cups. It came with a little nozzle that fits in a hole in the in tank refugium. The pump is outside it in the DT and the nozzle is on the inside of the little fuge, when you put them together It holds it in place.
 
It can be out of water so that method won't work for the new refugium...I don't have much confidence that crazy glue will hold a vibrationg powr head. It will just wiggle loose. I do have the #1 Koralia, it has a magnet to hold it...or do you think that's too strong? Do they make a Koralia for a nano tank, maybe tha would work. No air hose in there huh?
 

 

[2quills]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313711

 
No suction cups. It came with a little nozzle that fits in a hole in the in tank refugium. The pump is outside it in the DT and the nozzle is on the inside of the little fuge, when you put them together It holds it in place.
 
It can be out of water so that method won't work for the new refugium...I don't have much confidence that crazy glue will hold a vibrationg powr head. It will just wiggle loose. I do have the #1 Koralia, it has a magnet to hold it...or do you think that's too strong? Do they make a Koralia for a nano tank, maybe tha would work. No air hose in there huh?
 
They do have those newer koralia nanos. The small one I think is rated for a 10-15g (240gph) tank and goes for $30. They have a number of smaller powerheads like the maxi jets that go for around $16-$20 that would probably work just fine too. Some have magnets, some have suction cups depending on what brands you're lookin at. Just a thought.
 
I don't think and air hose would do a whole lot in the way of circulation IMO. Just make lots of bubbles.

 

[posiden]

 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/180#post_3313720
They do have those newer koralia nanos. The small one I think is rated for a 10-15g (240gph) tank and goes for $30. They have a number of smaller powerheads like the maxi jets that go for around $16-$20 that would probably work just fine too. Some have magnets, some have suction cups depending on what brands you're lookin at. Just a thought.
 
I don't think and air hose would do a whole lot in the way of circulation IMO. Just make lots of bubbles.
 
I just picked up two of those new Koralia nanos. They come in two flavors, the 240 gph that you mention and also 425 gph. (which are the ones I got for my 20L)