For those that buy into Al Gore about global warming and hate Bush

reefreak29

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i cannot believe that people buy into global warming , global warming caused by humans. if you take away all the humans in the world the trees and plants that reside here will still put millions of tons of pollutants into the atmospher like they have been for thousands of years . we are cleaner now than we have ever been since the water and air acts were introduced in the 70s. simple fact is , is that the sun is getting hotter that is why mars temp is going up as well and i dont think any suvs or haliburten are on mars
 
darthtang aw

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Not just MARS, the entire solar systems are experiencing a rise in temperature.
But wait....that is caused by the polutants that escaped through the hole in the ozone layer into outer space and is affecting the other planets.....
 
reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Not just MARS, the entire solar systems are experiencing a rise in temperature.
But wait....that is caused by the polutants that escaped through the hole in the ozone layer into outer space and is affecting the other planets.....
omg are they saying that now
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
omg are they saying that now


No, but I am expecting that in the near future....lol
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefraff
And he is 4-1 against the best the liberals can throw at him.


I am not sure what that says about our leaders either....Think about it...Bush was prime to lose his last election.......All the democrats needed was a viable candidate...and the walk out Frankenstein....You gave the people the choice of FRANKENSTEIN OR A MONKEY.
 
jovial

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Who knows but the crap the comes out of tail pipes provides no benefit to anything. Im just sick of oil, the politics and costs associated with it. As the US we should be more focused on leading the way in alternative sources of energy instead of relying on some prehistoric throwback like oil.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
I am not sure what that says about our leaders either....Think about it...Bush was prime to lose his last election.......All the democrats needed was a viable candidate...and the walk out Frankenstein....You gave the people the choice of FRANKENSTEIN OR A MONKEY.
Doesn't look much better this time, Bride of Frankenstein or a Rudy in the box
 
skipperdz

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Originally Posted by renogaw
but you're not paying attention to the scientists!
back then there were elevated levels of co2 in the air, the ice age happened, and everything cooled down. today's co2 levels will not allow the earth to cool down. period.
then why do they say that the increased SNOW fall (last winter) in northern us is caused by GLOBAL WARMING?
 
skipperdz

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Originally Posted by Masta Man
If Bush is so "green" then why does he push drilling in Alaska and destroying National parks and killing off animals homes.


is he the only man to ever do that? just curious because we always seem to blame him for EVERYTHING. i mean someone dinged my brand new car yesterday while i was in a seminar...bush must have done that!
 
renogaw

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the president (no matter which president it is) is generally blamed for everything that goes wrong in a country while he is president. if everything was going great in the country, the president is also generally accredited for it.
heck, people even forgave clinton for cheating because everything was right in the world (or so it seemed back then).
tough economic times, wars, etc will get the president the blame, whether or not the president deserves it.
as for your snow comment, read up a little. weird localized weather patterns do not disprove global warming, but actually proves the effects of global warming screwing up the natural balance of the world. you make all the glaciers, snow caps, and ice structures on land stop melting and i'd believe global warming isn't happening.
 
oceansidefish

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Originally Posted by seasalt101
before i got sick i worked in the oilfields they do not destroy the animals habitat they cut a road bulldoze an area about 300 x 300 to make a pad where they set up the drilling rig drill it frac it put a pumpjack on it and put in a few tank batteries and bury a pipeline then leave i have seen hundreds of animals on locations throughout the nation and because of strict epa guidelines the clean-up is like no one has been there before except for the tanks and pumpjack and in alaska you can only drill in the winter as to not disturb the wildlife so if you know so much about the oilfields share your perspective and expierience with us please...tobin
Tobin, respectfully I spent alot of time looking at the Alaskan Wildlife refuge and studying the controversy surrounding it. I am aware of drilling practices in the states. I just want to share the correct opposing argument. For democracy's sake :)
The issue with drilling in ANWR is that they CAN'T bury the pipeline due to the permafrost, that's from a report by the oil company's themselves. The problem is that because of the size of the pipeline needed they are concerned about the disruption to the large caribou migration which passes through the would be drilling grounds. Younger animals would not be able to jump the pipe. Additionally the amount of oil in ANWR is equivilent to about 2 years worth of consumption for us. Which in many people's eyes is just not worth it. Plus its protected and there is concern about the future protection of other lands for things other than oil. Personally, I went to Alaska. It is completely indescribable unless you see it yourself. I think we can wait on ANWR.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Oceansidefish
Tobin, respectfully I spent alot of time looking at the Alaskan Wildlife refuge and studying the controversy surrounding it. I am aware of drilling practices in the states. I just want to share the correct opposing argument. For democracy's sake :)
The issue with drilling in ANWR is that they CAN'T bury the pipeline due to the permafrost, that's from a report by the oil company's themselves. The problem is that because of the size of the pipeline needed they are concerned about the disruption to the large caribou migration which passes through the would be drilling grounds. Younger animals would not be able to jump the pipe. Additionally the amount of oil in ANWR is equivilent to about 2 years worth of consumption for us. Which in many people's eyes is just not worth it. Plus its protected and there is concern about the future protection of other lands for things other than oil. Personally, I went to Alaska. It is completely indescribable unless you see it yourself. I think we can wait on ANWR.

Regarding Migration....build the pipe ten-15 feet off the ground with support structures...Problem solved and the caribou get a nice cozy warm spot to rest in the winter.
As for the oil amount I have heard many different figures....The bottom line is no one truly knows how much oil is there....I have heard figures from a couple years to enough oil to supply the U.S. for 50 years.
 
prk543

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Originally Posted by renogaw
tobin, it may not be warmer where you are, but when antartica is dropping ice into the ocean, when all the glaciers are melting, when the snow caps on mountains are melting, when the arctic cap is melting, when iceland is melting, there is proof the world is getting warmer.
aztek: try telling the people who are going to be flooded out of florida, new york, and almost every other beach town area "whooptido" once all this ice melts off the land and drops into the ocean.
i'm not an environmentalist per se. i do believe we're in for a world of trouble though.
Its not the ice caps melting that is causing the majority of sea level rise. Its the thermal expansion of the ocean, as the temperature of the water increases, the water will expand and flood the land. Again this is from a process that is out of our control. The climate of the earth is dependent on how the planet as a whole interacts with the sun, called milankovitch cycles. (As much as I hate citing wikipedia, this article is actually referenced.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
As the elements of the milankovitch cycle chane, the climate of the earth changes.
 
aztec reef

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aztec reef

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
i cannot believe that people buy into global warming , global warming caused by humans. if you take away all the humans in the world the trees and plants that reside here will still put millions of tons of pollutants into the atmospher like they have been for thousands of years . we are cleaner now than we have ever been since the water and air acts were introduced in the 70s. simple fact is , is that the sun is getting hotter that is why mars temp is going up as well and i dont think any suvs or haliburten are on mars
I agree with this.. The earth evolves on its own, yes we as humans may contribute to GW but this contribution is really,really minimal.period.
 
aztec reef

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Not just MARS, the entire solar systems are experiencing a rise in temperature.
But wait....that is caused by the polutants that escaped through the hole in the ozone layer into outer space and is affecting the other planets.....

I love it how my theories get backed-up by science
thanks PRK543..but i said this a hundred times...
Actually,
GW its just a cycle that our solar system is going through, it goes through phases...sometimes we're closer to the Sun and sometimes we're further from the SUN..
Now, the Sun will keep getting hotter!!!!!!!!NO MATTER WHAT!. that's the course of the Sun..it will keep burning hotter untill it destroys it self...period..
IF the GW where to stop tomorrow, does that mean that the sun got cooler?????? NO, it means that we're further from it..period..
Of course the ENTIRE solar system would suffer effects of the GW. ALL our planets in our solar system orbit around the same fussioning,hotter SUN..
It doesn't matter if polutants escape through the hole in the Ozone layer,into space..Mars or any other planet doesn't have identical atmosphere properties like earth..
The difference is that EARTH has an "unique" atmosphere that keeps the temp stable on EARTH..in other words hospitable for Humans..
 
oceansidefish

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
Regarding Migration....build the pipe ten-15 feet off the ground with support structures...Problem solved and the caribou get a nice cozy warm spot to rest in the winter.
As for the oil amount I have heard many different figures....The bottom line is no one truly knows how much oil is there....I have heard figures from a couple years to enough oil to supply the U.S. for 50 years.
You are very correct Darthtang... (excuse my occasional simplifications for the ease of reading sometimes) Even with an extensive geological survey it is impossible to find out how much recoverable oil is under the ground. I agree that a raised pipeline could prevent alot of the proposed problems, it would even mitigate the damage done and could be later removed. Personally I see this debate more in the way of should we allow the drilling in the wildlife refuge, for the simple fact that it is a wildlife refuge? There is quite a bit of personal question in that, partly because we are already drilling near the refuge and their are suspicions that through the simple law of gravity the petroleum may be making its way to the existing fields... Just a little thinkeroo
 
skipperdz

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Originally Posted by renogaw
the president (no matter which president it is) is generally blamed for everything that goes wrong in a country while he is president. if everything was going great in the country, the president is also generally accredited for it.
heck, people even forgave clinton for cheating because everything was right in the world (or so it seemed back then).
tough economic times, wars, etc will get the president the blame, whether or not the president deserves it.
as for your snow comment, read up a little. weird localized weather patterns do not disprove global warming, but actually proves the effects of global warming screwing up the natural balance of the world. you make all the glaciers, snow caps, and ice structures on land stop melting and i'd believe global warming isn't happening.
i didnt say global warming doesnt exist. i said global warming also increases the intensity of winter...
winters really cold...summers really hot. so read that up
 
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