Gay Marriage, Abortion and other moral issue?

[petjunkie]

Animals can't exactly consent so bestiality shouldn't even be one the same lines as gay marriage. As far as mutilple partners, well I guess if everyone's happy I don't have a problem. I do have to comment on someone's definition of marriage being to procreate, if and when I get married I have no plan to ever procreate, I don't like kids. My sister's husband can't naturally have children. Plenty of married couples can't produce children so should they not be allowed marriage? I have a terrific niece and nephew thanks to in-vitro which many people view as immoral or wrong for some reason but my sister is the best mother I've ever seen. On the other end my brother just married his girlfriend who has three children by three different fathers most "created" while she was wasted at the bar.

Somehow those children are considered more acceptable because they are natural.

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
It also used to be generally accepted for people to hang people they thought were witches , this practice is gone now because our government and society deemed it wrong .all homosexuals are asking for is the right to be treated like any other american . tell me is mixed race marriage also wrong
in your eyes? what does gay marriage have to do with people marrying animals?? are you comparing homosexuals to animals?
I can see my views on not accepting gay marriage are different than others, but would like to thank everyone for allowing me to express them.
No one is comparing homosexuals to animals, this kind of correlation is uncalled for.
Mixed race marriages, who knows, who cares? what do you think?
And people in the other groups are asking for the same thing too.
What is legal and moral are often unrelated, Our government currently acknowledges marriage as the union between a man and a woman, maybe someday this will change and all alternative lifestyles including the ones previously mentioned will be accepted.
What does gay marriage have to do with people marrying objects or animals? the answer is based on the reason why people marry. Some marry for money, some for love, some for tangible benifits. If someone loves something or someone else and wants to be married for this reason who are you to exclude one group over another? Why would you stop by acknowledging gay marriage and not another type? This is hypocritical.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
I said to show me one passage that says God ordains man to force other men to follow his word to get into heaven. I have given you the benefit of the doubt and READ all 11 verses you posted. not one of them....NOT ONE, has anything to do with God telling man to force other men to accept God's word. it's almost like you flipped through the Bible and picked verses at random without even reading them. so....
if u need more time to find verses that actually fit the discussion, let me know.
every one of those verses talk about witnessing to other men if u cant understand the bible thats not my fault

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by petjunkie
Animals can't exactly consent so bestiality shouldn't even be one the same lines as gay marriage. As far as mutilple partners, well I guess if everyone's happy I don't have a problem. I do have to comment on someone's definition of marriage being to procreate, if and when I get married I have no plan to ever procreate, I don't like kids. My sister's husband can't naturally have children. Plenty of married couples can't produce children so should they not be allowed marriage? I have a terrific niece and nephew thanks to in-vitro which many people view as immoral or wrong for some reason but my sister is the best mother I've ever seen. On the other end my brother just married his girlfriend who has three children by three different fathers most "created" while she was wasted at the bar.

Somehow those children are considered more acceptable because they are natural.
Makes sense, but Ive met people who think they can communicate with animals.
Just wondering?
Can someone marry someone else who is in Coma without their consent even if they had a life long relationship prior to the injury?
Remember when the plug was pulled on Terri Shibo, the issue of life and death was of more significance than marriage and she didnt consent to it.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
I said to show me one passage that says God ordains man to force other men to follow his word to get into heaven. I have given you the benefit of the doubt and READ all 11 verses you posted. not one of them....NOT ONE, has anything to do with God telling man to force other men to accept God's word. it's almost like you flipped through the Bible and picked verses at random without even reading them. so....
if u need more time to find verses that actually fit the discussion, let me know.
all of these verses pertane to witnessing to fellow man , it doesnt say anything about force thats just rediculis but it talks about witnessing a number of times in the bible these 11 verses i gave you are all about it , now u just have to know how to interpret the bible

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Pontius
all of these verses pertane to witnessing to fellow man , it doesnt say anything about force thats just rediculis but it talks about witnessing a number of times in the bible these 11 verses i gave you are all about it , now u just have to know how to interpret the bible
"witnessing" is like "counseling". "force" is "force". 2 different things. thanks for confirming that you couldn't come up with the requested scripture.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
This is not the same thing, 2 men or 2 women can not biologicallly procreate together. Forbidding minorities or groups from having children is either genocide or population control. Naturally, homosexuals are not able to have children so this issue that you bring up is not valid. This is not a humanity issue. And as I stated before you can have a relationship anyone you choose, if you have homosexual feelings or if that is who you are than you should practice abstanance (spelling?). As you shouldn't have --- before marriage...this is a sin that I have committed, and again sin is sin. Me doing what I did is no different than this, so I am not portraying myself as on some high-horse, but I do know right from wrong, and the order of how God wants us to live our lives. Do i follow that daily, no, but I try
there are many man/woman couples in this country that cannot procreate. so you're saying they should not be able to have children either? I haven't known a huge number of gay people, but I've known a few gay couples who would make MUCH better parents that many of the straight couples I see who have several children of their own.
and please, leave the "sin is sin" and God out of it. it's only sin depending on which religion you adhere to or if you are religious at all. it's only "immoral" if you believe it's immoral. remember, this is not a fascist nation where the taliban gets to tell what you will believe and think. someone being gay or being married doesn't affect you or me in least, so it should not be any of our business.
Originally Posted by Ryan1
I am sorry but comparing gays and what happened to African Americans or Native Americans is simply no comparison, and are different issues.
why is it different, because YOU happen to be black? how's that make it different? can you change the way you are? is there any evidence that shows a homosexual person can change the way they are? if not, then explain how it's different. why, because they can hide in a closet and be miserable for the entirety of their lives while you can't hide the color of your skin? if that's the logic, then it's dumb logic.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
"witnessing" is like "counseling". "force" is "force". 2 different things. thanks for confirming that you couldn't come up with the requested scripture.
your still supposed to talk to people about God. well i guess your original question was just out there, whatever

 

[reefreak29]

is there any evidence that shows a homosexual person can change the way they are?
yes they can choose not to act on there lust. just like an alcaholic choosing to quite drinking

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by Pontius
your still supposed to talk to people about God. well i guess your original question was just out there, whatever
I never said God didn't tell man to witness to other men. I simply said that God never told man to FORCE other men into worshipping. the very basis of Christianity is that all men will determine for themselves whether or not they go to heaven or hell. no other person can get you into heaven. sorry if you don't understand that.

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
I never said God didn't tell man to witness to other men. I simply said that God never told man to FORCE other men into worshipping. the very basis of Christianity is that all men will determine for themselves whether or not they go to heaven or hell. no other person can get you into heaven. sorry if you don't understand that.
yes you are correct good job

 

[aztec reef]

Nice mentallity, and all got pretty good points..But here's my question to you all..I guess it already was asked before, and it was ignored.. but maybe it's because it's not meant to be..
Why CAN"T a man + another man have children Or a Woman with a woman???
put away GOD/bibble/Science/politics.ect. for a second!! now think really good and give me an answer..if you give me a good answer then i'll think twice about homosexuality... JUST ONE!

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Nice mentallity, and all got pretty good points..But here's my question to you all..
Why CAN"T a man + another man have children Or a Woman with a woman???
put away GOD/bibble for a second!! now think really good and give me an answer..if you give me a good answer then i'll think twice about homosexuality...
Because this combination wasnt intended for reproduction. I guess the counter arguement to this would be: What is the basis for marriage? to pro-create or because two people love one another. Which should then allow anyone to marry anyone or anything if they love them or it.

 

[neverenough]

A man and a man cannot physically have a child. A woman and a woman cannot physically have a child. Thus it would stand to reason that God, Nature, Science,.... whatever you believe in never intended this to happen.

 

[aztec reef]

Exactly but still wating for a good answer.. Can i marry my syster? i love her!.. try that for LOGIC.

 

[jovial]

I dont think you will get one from those who support it.

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
Nice mentallity, and all got pretty good points..But here's my question to you all..I guess it already was asked before, and it was ignored.. but maybe it's because it's not meant to be..
Why CAN"T a man + another man have children Or a Woman with a woman???
put away GOD/bibble for a second!! now think really good and give me an answer..if you give me a good answer then i'll think twice about homosexuality...
alot of male/female couples can't have children either and not because of infertility issues either they just never get pregnant (unexplained infertility) you'll have to think twice about those couples too then huh ?
just because you can't have babies means you can't get married gee i guess my ex husbands cousin will have to get divorced because his wife is sterile

 

[jovial]

So if reproduction isnt an issue why then shouldnt anyone be allowed to marry anyone or anything?

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
alot of male/female couples can't have children either and not because of infertility issues either they just never get pregnant (unexplained infertility) you'll have to think twice about those couples too then huh ?
Not really, cause what's the percentage of that VS. homosexuality?
try again.

 

[seasalt101]

this thread has got so ridiculous, come on aztec, and jovial you can't marry things because things can't consent to it, the % is homosexual 7% couples that cannot produce about the same, lets move on now jeez...tobin