getting very angry with my lfs

2quills

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Originally Posted by Sparty059
http:///forum/post/3294649
Ok... I will take everyone's advise. I will take everything step by step and slowly get it running.
You will will be thankful that you did in the long run. And the more you learn...the more you'll realize why. The patience thing will get easier.
 

gregx

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Ill tell you what if it had been me I would of said oh so I dont need this stuff and returned it all ... I dont think you have to go broke doing this just spend way more time looking into what you want and whats for sale.
 

sparty059

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Wooo! I get my drill bit and bulkheads today! When I get home I'll start the drilling and let everyone know how it went. What is everyone thinking... drill about an inch down from the bottom of the top frame for the tall tank? Sound like that'll be enough room?
 

2quills

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I'd slide the tanks together and then position the bulkheads as low as possible but high enough that the drains will clear the top of the other tank. And then just mark them. I used the rubber gasket that came with the bulkheads as a template to mark the holes with a sharpy.
 

2quills

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Hey, don't drill them just yet. I can't see your video here on the work computer but I want to see it again when I get home to see if there is any room to rais the tall tank at all...even if it's just an inch.
 

sparty059

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Yeah, I am pretty sure I can bump the tank up a little bit... I have a stud right above it, but it's about 4 or 5 inches away from it I'm pretty sure... and the light can hang around 2 inches from the stud/frame. You think I should raise it?
 

sparty059

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Also, is everyone 100% sure that my bulbs won't be bright enough for reef? I can't imagine it needing to be any brighter in all honesty. I have 4 bulbs... 2 65 Watt 24" Actinic Bulbs and then 2 (I'm pretty sure) 10,000K 24" White Bulbs.
 

sparty059

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99%... I matched it up with the bulkheads I got today and they were the same size and just a bit bigger.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by Sparty059
http:///forum/post/3294818
Also, is everyone 100% sure that my bulbs won't be bright enough for reef? I can't imagine it needing to be any brighter in all honesty. I have 4 bulbs... 2 65 Watt 24" Actinic Bulbs and then 2 (I'm pretty sure) 10,000K 24" White Bulbs.
YES....we are sure...:)
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Sparty059
http:///forum/post/3294800
Yeah, I am pretty sure I can bump the tank up a little bit... I have a stud right above it, but it's about 4 or 5 inches away from it I'm pretty sure... and the light can hang around 2 inches from the stud/frame. You think I should raise it?
It depends on how you're going to plumb it. If you plumb it like I suggested then, no. But if you go with the other alternative and have all of your drain water flowing through your sump then, yes. Reason being is because you are going to get some back flow when ever you shut off the return pump, so whichever tank is going to take the bulk of the extra water is going to need to have the head room to handle it.
You're going to need to minimize backflow as much as you possibly can so I sugguest you do these 3 things.
1.) Install a check valve on your return line.
2.) Adjust your return fittings on the inside of the tank so they are at the surface of the water line when the tank is runnin. You may have to get a couple of new loc-line fittings to reconfigure it...but they're pretty cheap.
3.) The drain pipe inside of the overflow, I think I read earlier in the thread that it has holes drilled in it, is that true? If so then you need to replace it with a new piece of pipe and don't drill any holes in it. Cut it so that it's basically the same height at the bottom part of the slits/opening/teeth as the overflow....actually maybe about 1/4" below that.
Originally Posted by Sparty059

http:///forum/post/3294818
Also, is everyone 100% sure that my bulbs won't be bright enough for reef? I can't imagine it needing to be any brighter in all honesty. I have 4 bulbs... 2 65 Watt 24" Actinic Bulbs and then 2 (I'm pretty sure) 10,000K 24" White Bulbs.
I can tell you right now they aren't enough for reef. They are fine for fish only. You have a tall tank. If you want to do flourescent lights you'll need an extremely high powered T5 light fixture. And even these are only good up to about 18"-24". If you want to have a nice reef with the ability to keep a variety of different corals you are going to need Metal Halide lights for that deep of tank. Probably a Metal Halide and T5 combination fixture. The metal halides will need to be at lease 250 watts each.
Outside of good filtration, lights for your reef will be the single most important piece of equipment you'll need to buy. And those are going to run you upwards of about $1,000 for your tank for a new fixture.
 

sparty059

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haha, ok I'm reading but not really paying much attention right now at this point because right now I want to drill my holes... I have 2 holes placed like so...
Attachment 245181
Is this low enough, high enough, and far apart enough from each other?
 

sparty059

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If you look close enough I have 5 dots on each side they're silver so they're kind of hard to see but you can see the specs.
 

2quills

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I would spread them out a bit more so there is equal distance on each side to the side of the tank and inbetween.
 

2quills

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Heaven help you. lol
Go slow...this isn't something you want to rush. Put a towel on the bottom of the tank to catch the glass pieces when they fall.
 

posiden

Active Member
Originally Posted by 2Quills
http:///forum/post/3294872
It depends on how you're going to plumb it. If you plumb it like I suggested then, no. But if you go with the other alternative and have all of your drain water flowing through your sump then, yes. Reason being is because you are going to get some back flow when ever you shut off the return pump, so whichever tank is going to take the bulk of the extra water is going to need to have the head room to handle it.
You have to watch the back flow in any case. The refuge tank is just gravity feed the sump tank. In a power outage or a pump failer the refuge is not going to hold any more water then it does while its running. We are already filling it too its max, that's why its draining into the sump tank. Its the sump tank that will hold all back flow. Its the lowest point.
Originally Posted by 2Quills

http:///forum/post/3294872
You're going to need to minimize backflow as much as you possibly can so I sugguest you do these 3 things.
1.) Install a check valve on your return line.
2.) Adjust your return fittings on the inside of the tank so they are at the surface of the water line when the tank is runnin. You may have to get a couple of new loc-line fittings to reconfigure it...but they're pretty cheap.
3.) The drain pipe inside of the overflow, I think I read earlier in the thread that it has holes drilled in it, is that true? If so then you need to replace it with a new piece of pipe and don't drill any holes in it. Cut it so that it's basically the same height at the bottom part of the slits/opening/teeth as the overflow....actually maybe about 1/4" below that.
IMO a check vavle is usless. Life grows inside of them and when you need it most they fail. You also must find one without any metal parts. Placing the returns as high as possile is the best thing you can do for the return line. Just far enough under water so they don't pull in air.
Getting rid of the small holes that may or may not be drilled in the drain, will help to stop the flow more soon. But it only needs to be raised if the OF makes any noise. Making the drain pipe taller will not help a back flow issue. Just the cascading water fall sound for it to get to the drain pipe, if it makes one.
 
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