ifirefight
Active Member
I cant help but notice Mujtba has another thread about a dying/dead clam....you dont suppose the "reef safe" medication did in the clam.
Heres how to REMOVE ICH from FISH safely!
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1journeyman
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Originally Posted by crimzy
Again, I have no idea why it's so important to people to contradict any claim of success with certain medications. Nobody is really disputing hypo as a treatment. Personally, I have seen many people, including journey and beth, criticize the use of copper. However, when a person posts, "I don't have a QT for .... reason and I have ich." Instead of spending the next 20 posts chastising this person, why not let him/her know that there are people who have had good results using another method. Why is this such a problem for people?
Yeesh... that's twice in this thread you've misrepresented what I've said.
Copper works. Copper also kills. I've seen copper work. I've also seen divers at a popular Public Aquarium refuse to go into a tank with sharks after tank was treated with copper as the sharks were acting "crazy". I believe hypo is less dangerous then copper. That's my *official* position.
Crimzy, if a person doesn't have a QT tank and gets ich then their options are severely limited. That's not my fault; nor is it Beth's fault. I don't tell them "your fish are doomed" I tell them, politely of course, "suck it up and set up a QT". Why would I suggest "hey, try this medication. It might work. Heck, a couple of posters here have had success with it"?
Again, look at my quotes from Chem Marin's webpage.... They promote using an antibiodic on a tank "We at Chem-Marin have been testing Erythromycin in reef systems for the last 4 years all over the U,S with a 99% success rate with out harming the most delicate species, this includes corals inverts and fish, not to mention your bacteria bed as long as your system is a year or more old..." 99% success rate... That translates to 1 out of every 100 reef tanks getting wiped out. And don't even get me started on the "1 year" thing.
Crimzy, I'm all for advances in the hobby. I'm all for responsible behavior on the part of aquarists too, though. I could never, in good faith, promote using a product that may not work.
Again, I have no idea why it's so important to people to contradict any claim of success with certain medications. Nobody is really disputing hypo as a treatment. Personally, I have seen many people, including journey and beth, criticize the use of copper. However, when a person posts, "I don't have a QT for .... reason and I have ich." Instead of spending the next 20 posts chastising this person, why not let him/her know that there are people who have had good results using another method. Why is this such a problem for people?
Yeesh... that's twice in this thread you've misrepresented what I've said.
Copper works. Copper also kills. I've seen copper work. I've also seen divers at a popular Public Aquarium refuse to go into a tank with sharks after tank was treated with copper as the sharks were acting "crazy". I believe hypo is less dangerous then copper. That's my *official* position.
Crimzy, if a person doesn't have a QT tank and gets ich then their options are severely limited. That's not my fault; nor is it Beth's fault. I don't tell them "your fish are doomed" I tell them, politely of course, "suck it up and set up a QT". Why would I suggest "hey, try this medication. It might work. Heck, a couple of posters here have had success with it"?
Again, look at my quotes from Chem Marin's webpage.... They promote using an antibiodic on a tank "We at Chem-Marin have been testing Erythromycin in reef systems for the last 4 years all over the U,S with a 99% success rate with out harming the most delicate species, this includes corals inverts and fish, not to mention your bacteria bed as long as your system is a year or more old..." 99% success rate... That translates to 1 out of every 100 reef tanks getting wiped out. And don't even get me started on the "1 year" thing.
Crimzy, I'm all for advances in the hobby. I'm all for responsible behavior on the part of aquarists too, though. I could never, in good faith, promote using a product that may not work.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by ifirefight
I cant help but notice Mujtba has another thread about a dying/dead clam....you dont suppose the "reef safe" medication did in the clam.
Good point. That snail didn't pry open a healthy clam.
I cant help but notice Mujtba has another thread about a dying/dead clam....you dont suppose the "reef safe" medication did in the clam.
Good point. That snail didn't pry open a healthy clam.
rbaldino
Active Member
Originally Posted by dhav
rbalkdinio whatever you name is, If you continue scrolling up youll read that I corrected my previous post. We are past this part, stop starting up something that has been already surpassed. If this is really bothering you then ill buy you a slice of pizza.
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
rbalkdinio whatever you name is, If you continue scrolling up youll read that I corrected my previous post. We are past this part, stop starting up something that has been already surpassed. If this is really bothering you then ill buy you a slice of pizza.
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
nigerbang
Active Member
Originally Posted by rbaldino
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
Agreed...Talk about your all time flip flop..
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
Agreed...Talk about your all time flip flop..
crimzy
Active Member
Originally Posted by rbaldino
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
Can you please explain why it's so important to you to discredit his claim? I have had similar success... discredit away.
I have a hard time believing that you could mistakenly say that your fish started dying within a matter of seconds and then realize that what you meant to say was that his health gradually failed over the course of several weeks. That's quite a typo.
Can you please explain why it's so important to you to discredit his claim? I have had similar success... discredit away.
rbaldino
Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
Can you please explain why it's so important to you to discredit his claim? I have had similar success... discredit away.
I'm not trying to discredit any claim. I think he jumped in, wrote some total BS because he wanted to rock the boat, then changed his statement when he realized no one would believe it because the details were all wrong. Unfortunately for him, the original statment was quoted before he could edit it, so we can see the two statements and see that they are radically different. Too different to just be the result of "i wrote it real quick while I'm at work...."
Can you please explain why it's so important to you to discredit his claim? I have had similar success... discredit away.
I'm not trying to discredit any claim. I think he jumped in, wrote some total BS because he wanted to rock the boat, then changed his statement when he realized no one would believe it because the details were all wrong. Unfortunately for him, the original statment was quoted before he could edit it, so we can see the two statements and see that they are radically different. Too different to just be the result of "i wrote it real quick while I'm at work...."
jmick
Active Member
I think that the best way to prevent Ich getting into your system is to QT all new arrivals, it boils down to commen sense. That said, if you happen to get into a situation where you are not able to and you have an outbreak of ICH and your tank is STABLE and HEALTHY then I'd leave it alone and feed your fish quality food and allow them to fight it. I believe that healthy fish in a good system can overcome ich and I think that is what is happening with the claims that are being made here--it is not the "meds" that are helping but the system.
nigerbang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Clown Boy
I'm curious how many of you know that some of you are risking your friendships... and forum accounts... over how to treat fish.
I hear the locksmith's keys jingling...
Nah.....I dont remember anyone saying anything abusive to anyone just yet..
I'm curious how many of you know that some of you are risking your friendships... and forum accounts... over how to treat fish.
I hear the locksmith's keys jingling...
Nah.....I dont remember anyone saying anything abusive to anyone just yet..
nigerbang
Active Member
Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Oh?
renegow was sworn at...
several people have been called stubborn...
Wow...lots of post deleted reeaaaal quick..I have been called stubborn and all kinds of names...Oh well...Not really worried about it..Sometimes things get to heated..I chalk it up to people being people..
Oh?
renegow was sworn at...
several people have been called stubborn...
Wow...lots of post deleted reeaaaal quick..I have been called stubborn and all kinds of names...Oh well...Not really worried about it..Sometimes things get to heated..I chalk it up to people being people..
sepulatian
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Sorry to jump into this so late. I have used Chem Marins Stop Parasites. It does knock the ich off of the fish. It does not, however, kill them. Enough ich will survive to continue to infect the tank. Stop Parasites could be used in a pinch while you are setting up a quarantine tank to help keep the ich off of the fish but it will never actually remove all ich from the system. It may appear that your fish are now ich free but ich is still thriving in the system. You are likely to see an outbreak every single time you add a new fish or if your current fish get stressed for any reason. A bottle of Stop Parasites is quite costly. You could set up a full qt for about the cost of two bottles of medication and remove the parasite from your tank.
Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Learnin' an' learnin'... this is a great thread... it presents both sides of the debate and shows which one holds out. Go Beth and journeymen!
And that is really the only reason that I appear to initiate debates in these topics. I know how many people come here just doing searches for info, and never post. Many will be looking for the easy fix because they find themselves in a tremendous bind and just can't deal with the potential wipe-out facing them. So they hear about a "reef safe" alternative and hopefully will do a little research before jumping into it (unfortunately many don't). When they look around at SWF, I want them to find that there is another side to the story where these medications are concerned. Once informed, I have no problem with how the individual hobbyist decides to go, but my goal is that they make an informed decision, and not the, Here's how to REMOVE ICH from FISH safely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (using whatever reef safe product) perspective. All the good topics on this have been included by me in the FAQ, so that people can get that perspective.
And the consensus is, not from me, but from most hobbyists, that these meds are not reliable.
I have used copper and hyposalinity extensively, and find them both extremely effective. Hyposalinity has the added advantage of have no ill effects on the sick fish.
Learnin' an' learnin'... this is a great thread... it presents both sides of the debate and shows which one holds out. Go Beth and journeymen!
And that is really the only reason that I appear to initiate debates in these topics. I know how many people come here just doing searches for info, and never post. Many will be looking for the easy fix because they find themselves in a tremendous bind and just can't deal with the potential wipe-out facing them. So they hear about a "reef safe" alternative and hopefully will do a little research before jumping into it (unfortunately many don't). When they look around at SWF, I want them to find that there is another side to the story where these medications are concerned. Once informed, I have no problem with how the individual hobbyist decides to go, but my goal is that they make an informed decision, and not the, Here's how to REMOVE ICH from FISH safely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (using whatever reef safe product) perspective. All the good topics on this have been included by me in the FAQ, so that people can get that perspective.
And the consensus is, not from me, but from most hobbyists, that these meds are not reliable.
I have used copper and hyposalinity extensively, and find them both extremely effective. Hyposalinity has the added advantage of have no ill effects on the sick fish.
eugenez_21
Member
Most meds are BS yes BS they only help for a period and then the ick comes back in a few days or next morning thats my experince. It works to prevent or knock it out for some time but not REMOVE IT. Yes you can get lucky and have it not come back.
GO TEAM HYPO
