Originally Posted by
Darthtang AW
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But wait, neither of the programs you speak of are paid for. Neither run budget nuetral. See this is the problem. You can't grasp the concept of actually paying for something or possibly paying for something. Our defecits have ballooned and are only going to get bigger. Do you even understand the reprecussions of the surmounting debt? Do you understand our debt is THE REASON we have to be nice with so many countriees? DO YOU UNDERSTAND OUR DEBT IS THE REASON OUR GOVERNMENT HAVE ALLOWED SO MANY JOBS TO BE SHIPPED OVERSEAS. Do you understand our debt is the reason china, Japan, and every other major nation we trade with can tax our imports but we won't tax their imports?
You just don't friggin get it.
We just spent 900 billion to save 100 billion....so essentially we just added 800 billion to our debt. This money is NOT paid for. It is not accounted for.
When will this stupid country wake up.
Sure, wars create debt, but they end and can be paid off. These social programs do not end, and only grow larger as our population increases.
You want heathcare passed....fine, but pay for it. a 25% tax hike across the board on EVERYONE.....That is what it will require. How do you think that will affect this economy.
See that is the problem with most people today. They don't understand everything is tied together. Sure, you get heathcare,. sure it is government ran. But this bill ALSO affects our relationships with other countries. Why are we involved in so much around the world? Why do we have so many foreign made products? It is because we are OWNED by other countries because people like you want your "free" programs.
So let me ask you...what happens when it is time to pay the piper............
Of course social security is paid for, so don't spout nonsense! It may run out in a few decades because of changing demographics, but it is paid for - there is no debt other than money loaned from current excess collections to the government, hopefully to be paid back later. But it is a pay as you go program.
Gee, those countries that are "THE REASON OUR GOVERNMENT HAVE ALLOWED SO MANY JOBS TO BE SHIPPED OVERSEAS. Do you understand our debt is the reason china, Japan, and every other major nation we trade with can tax our imports but we won't tax their imports?" all deliver universal health care to their citizens. I think I do "friggen get it", but "it" is something very different from whatever it is that evokes such savagery from the far right over the issue of a government caring for its citizens to "promote the general welfare" that I don't "friggen" get, nor do I want to.
You have a lot of strange ideas! The new health plan is not, as you termed it, "government ran". It still depends on physicians and hospitals offering their services to their customers in a competitive environment. The only thing you don't like is that the purchasers of these services have banded together to bargain for better pricing, and to better share their health cost risk. And, please spare us the "well..it is the foot in the door" for liberalism, socialism, communism, or any other devil-related ism in your head. Physicians have a right to be paid for their work, as do hospitals, and consumers have the right to organize to get better pricing.
To answer your last question about paying the piper - I'll worry about that after the kids killed in a fruitless war like Iraq are alive again (despite the fact the, as you put it, war creates debt, but that can be paid off"). My point is that life and health are more important, and I'll pay what it takes to the piper.
