House passed the Health Bill

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3251020
First of all, you people have got to stop using what the far-left does as an excuse or a "we are not that bad" deal because I am a former moderate Republican and now a independent voter, so that arguement carries very little weight with me and we are talking about the Tea Party not the Far-Left.
Secondly I disagree that it is just a "few" bad apples in the party and the movement has also since it morphed from what Ron Paul started into what it is now refused to address the actions of any of it's more radical members. Sorry but when I see someone with a sign with a AR-15 on it and a threat of next time coming armed, I take that as a threat to myself and this country and if Obama is everything they accuse him of, then just like any other dictatorship, those people would be swept up by secret police and never seen again. I do agree that the Dems are running with the crap that happened this weekend, but for a bunch of people who think they have the right ideas for government, then you would think that they would be smart enough to tone down the rhetoric on their signs and curb their actions enough so they are not giving ammunition to their sworn political enemies.
I would also like to address what American means since the Tea Party is 99% percent white and conservative, seems like somewhere along the line somebody forgot that America is a melting pot and all Americans that care would be for honest government, term limits and less spending and taxes. I know I am, but at this point I would never even think about throwing my hat in with the Tea Party and neither it seems do any other minorities. If these Tea Parties are a friendly and good hearted as everyone claims why is it a sea of white conservatives faces only?
As always people are focusing way too much on the red or blue instead of the red, white and blue.
Fishtaco
The point of the comparison wasn't to say "we aren't as bad as them" although I can definately see how you reach that conclusion. The point was the illustrate why I think it is a trumped up bag of manure. Pelosi decided to parade through the crowd of protesters with a black man (remember you brought up race) surrounded by video cameras. Then comes out and says oh they called us the N word and drop a few F bombs. But not one of those surrounding video cameras catch it.
Then 10 congress men come out at the same time to report threats... And they are with no investigation being immediately attributed to tea part activists...
Meanwhile actual violence happens and no one hears about it.
Remember all those town halls over the Christmas season. SEIU thugs beat up a senior citizen with cancer in a wheel chair. A Moveon.org member bit off a 65 year old man's finger.
There was no media outcry. No 3 days of stories. This is a trumped up faked load of indignation.
The other point is to illustrate reality. Senior citizens getting beat up by liberal thugs, black panthers with illegal weapons parading around polling places, people trying to blow up the pentagon, McCain campaign workers getting maced. I could understand getting worked up about that... As a public official getting a death threat? Come on...
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3251025
I'm sure it was Obamamite Zombies, but what does this have to do with the Tea Party other than prove that both conservatives and libs can take things too far. It in no way dismisses any bad behavior by the Tea Party and frankly Reef I think better of you than what you have done in this post of pointing fingers.
Fishtaco
How do you know it was Obama Zombies? I could have been done by his own people. That stuff happens all the time in politics, It just happened last week with a "Democrat" memo being spread around by Republicans the Democrat party claims was a fake. I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS THE CASE HERE. What I am saying is the left and their stooges in the midia are doing everything they can to smear the tea party movement because they are afraid of losing power, not their lives.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3251020
First of all, you people have got to stop using what the far-left does as an excuse or a "we are not that bad" deal because I am a former moderate Republican and now a independent voter, so that arguement carries very little weight with me and we are talking about the Tea Party not the Far-Left.
Secondly I disagree that it is just a "few" bad apples in the party and the movement has also since it morphed from what Ron Paul started into what it is now refused to address the actions of any of it's more radical members. Sorry but when I see someone with a sign with a AR-15 on it and a threat of next time coming armed, I take that as a threat to myself and this country and if Obama is everything they accuse him of, then just like any other dictatorship, those people would be swept up by secret police and never seen again. I do agree that the Dems are running with the crap that happened this weekend, but for a bunch of people who think they have the right ideas for government, then you would think that they would be smart enough to tone down the rhetoric on their signs and curb their actions enough so they are not giving ammunition to their sworn political enemies.
I would also like to address what American means since the Tea Party is 99% percent white and conservative, seems like somewhere along the line somebody forgot that America is a melting pot and all Americans that care would be for honest government, term limits and less spending and taxes. I know I am, but at this point I would never even think about throwing my hat in with the Tea Party and neither it seems do any other minorities. If these Tea Parties are a friendly and good hearted as everyone claims why is it a sea of white conservatives faces only?
As always people are focusing way too much on the red or blue instead of the red, white and blue.
Fishtaco
Have you been to a Tea Party rally? I drove by one. Not the lilly white example of racial purity you suggest. If it was just a bunch of pissed off white rednecks the left wouldn't fear it so much and trust me, they fear it not because of the threat to their personal safety, they fear it because of the potential power the movement has if they don't let a few loons wreck the whole thing by acting like idiots.
 

fishtaco

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3251035
Have you been to a Tea Party rally? I drove by one. Not the lilly white example of racial purity you suggest. If it was just a bunch of pissed off white rednecks the left wouldn't fear it so much and trust me, they fear it not because of the threat to their personal safety, they fear it because of the potential power the movement has if they don't let a few loons wreck the whole thing by acting like idiots.
Reef, we have not had a Tea Party event around here. Everyone is screwed from the economy and politcal party is just not that big of deal compared to keeping your house of getting food on the table. I would say that the left is probably afraid of the Tea Party, but also the GOP is just as scared at this point. I never said the movement does not have potential, just that as you seem to agree is being wrecked by loonies. I consider the true Tea Party the one Ron Paul started and they have strayed far from the grace and calm manner he seems to operate on and are running mostly on emotion which happens in crowds. When I see a Tea Party member turn to another member and say something like put away your sign threatening violence and lets work for real change I will change my opinion. Until then..........well.
Fishtaco
 

renogaw

Active Member
wow, 90million dollar tax on the drug makers companies! so, that's going to raise prices on drugs, oh wait...no, they can't cause the prices are now regulated by the government. so...how are they going to pay for 90million more taxes...hmm...well, can't cut costs in material, so lets fire everyone!
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3251039
Reef, we have not had a Tea Party event around here. Everyone is screwed from the economy and politcal party is just not that big of deal compared to keeping your house of getting food on the table. I would say that the left is probably afraid of the Tea Party, but also the GOP is just as scared at this point. I never said the movement does not have potential, just that as you seem to agree is being wrecked by loonies. I consider the true Tea Party the one Ron Paul started and they have strayed far from the grace and calm manner he seems to operate on and are running mostly on emotion which happens in crowds. When I see a Tea Party member turn to another member and say something like put away your sign threatening violence and lets work for real change I will change my opinion. Until then..........well.
Fishtaco
The Republicans have a lot less to fear than the Dems but they ignore the direction the Tea Party wants them to move they risk their own demise. Having worked in Republican party politics I have seen first hand how much those in power despise the little people. I hope they are finally listening
 

slice

Active Member
Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/3251044
wow, 90million dollar tax on the drug makers companies! so, that's going to raise prices on drugs, oh wait...no, they can't cause the prices are now regulated by the government. so...how are they going to pay for 90million more taxes...hmm...well, can't cut costs in material, so lets fire everyone!
Severely cut R&D for new drugs is what will happen. Drug companies pay millions on development of many drugs that do not pass final tests. A minority of development projects make it all the way to the pharmacies. Drug company profits fuel the advances we have seen in life-saving drugs. When was the last time you heard from some new wonder drug coming from Canada, GB, France or Germany? They dont have the investment capital to develop nearly as much as we (until now) have had. Our health care system will fall to mediorcrity as other's have.
 

geridoc

Well-Known Member

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3250946
Geridoc,
Are you forgetting Nazi= National Socialist? Why would an antisocialist party call themselves the same?
The principle thrust was to recover German pride and honor after the Treaty of Versailles. That allowed Hitler and his ilk to take over power. Then they went nuts.
The Nazis were experts at redefining words. When Hitler and the party won the 1932 election and came to power, the Germans voted for him based on his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism
(Wikipedia). True, anti-semitism was never far from the surface in Nazi ideology, but they were overt anti-communists from the get go.
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3251079
The Nazis were experts at redefining words. When Hitler and the party won the 1932 election and came to power, the Germans voted for him based on his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism
(Wikipedia). True, anti-semitism was never far from the surface in Nazi ideology, but they were overt anti-communists from the get go.
1920 Nazi Political platform (Just the socialist stuff)
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
23. We demand laws to fight against deliberate political lies and their dissemination by the press.
Sounds pretty socialist to me...
 

darthtang aw

Active Member

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3251079
The Nazis were experts at redefining words. When Hitler and the party won the 1932 election and came to power, the Germans voted for him based on his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism
(Wikipedia). True, anti-semitism was never far from the surface in Nazi ideology, but they were overt anti-communists from the get go.
communism and socialism are two separate forms of government...similar...but different...just like facism is similar to socialism in many aspects.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Obama admitted in a speech today that Universal coverage is on the way. What this has done is made me something I hate, a party line voter. We can't afford another 2 years of Democrats with absolute control.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Here is what I don't get. Defecits be damned....that is what this bill has said. So instead of 1000 pages of crap. why didn't they just type one page...the government will reimburse you for 50% of your health insurance cost and allow those with preexisting conditions to receive medicare..............boom, one page. This way atleast the unemployment rate wouldn't go up.......which it will.
 

fishtaco

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3251116
Here is what I don't get. Defecits be damned....that is what this bill has said. So instead of 1000 pages of crap. why didn't they just type one page...the government will reimburse you for 50% of your health insurance cost and allow those with preexisting conditions to receive medicare..............boom, one page. This way atleast the unemployment rate wouldn't go up.......which it will.
I don't look at it as the unemployment rate going up because it is so bad around here anymore, I just see it as population loss for my county as more people leave.
Fishtaco
 

el guapo

Active Member
Ok, I just had a thought ....
900+ Billion health care reform....
Legalized "medical" Marijuana....
Obama is just looking to get the whole place baked .
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3251160
Ok, I just had a thought ....
900+ Billion health care reform....
Legalized "medical" Marijuana....
Obama is just looking to get the whole place baked .

lol, now that is an idea. If Cali legalizes medical Weed. IT wouldn't take long for the Govt to be buying weed for everyone...
 

reefraff

Active Member
I think 70% of Obama voters are already stoned

Major corporations already preparing for the added costs. If they start laying people off the domocrat party could face extinction.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/3251160
Ok, I just had a thought ....
900+ Billion health care reform....
Legalized "medical" Marijuana....
Obama is just looking to get the whole place baked .

Actually Cali is trying to legalize marijuana for recreational use. I was reading an article today that these major pot growers up in North Cali are rallying against the bill. They say if they legalize pot so anyone can buy it, it'll put their "medical marijuana" cash cow out of business. Hmmm. Wonder if this would have the same affect if they legalized cocaine. At least it'll be easier to go have a vacation in Tijuana.
 
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