I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2821995
bionicarm i dont attack you personally,i respect your right to support a Socialist/Communist/Marxist if you like
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But come on man Factcheck.org?Did you really think anyone would consider them credible?
I don't really know. Newsweek and MSN reported the article. Isn't that the same organization that the major networks used to verify the facts of these two guys during the debates? Which of the pieces of the article I posted do you disagree with? If you want to refute the information, provide counter articles stating that.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2821988
And I assume "your" people in the middle east are making the same or less $$$ than the folks stateside
And where the F do you keep coming up with me as a Doctor?????
Actually our rates are competitive with other companies in the US that do the same thing. The only 'perks' we get are payments for travel expenses. And yes, our personnel do stay at the same 'layovers' a majority of these other contractors that journey claim don't do.
For some reason, I'm associating you with oscardeuce. Both of you attack my opinions in the same manner.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2822075
I don't really know. Newsweek and MSN reported the article. Isn't that the same organization that the major networks used to verify the facts of these two guys during the debates? Which of the pieces of the article I posted do you disagree with? If you want to refute the information, provide counter articles stating that.
That would require way to much reading and research to try to do something that is impossible.That is to sway your vote,the same could be said of me.I dont expect you to change your mind ,i just debate with you and others for the spirit of it.ANd in case you havent noticed ,I like yourself like to stir the pot.
 
miaheatlvr

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Isn't there a INGORE LIST FEATURE. Where you click it ON and you never have to see posts from that person again? Might come in handy in these political threads!
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821894
Garbage Barrage
An upstart group with an official-sounding name, the National Republican Trust PAC, emerged from the shadows in late September and claims to have raised nearly $7 million for a barrage of ads in the final weekend before Election Day. The "Republican" group actually has no formal connection to the Republican Party, and the first ad it aired is one of the sleaziest attacks we've seen. It flashes on screen the driver's license of 9/11 terrorist Mohammed Atta and claims Obama has a "plan" to give licenses to illegal aliens. Never mind that Obama says he's not proposing drivers' permits for non-legal immigrants, or that the 9/11 terrorists didn't need driver's licenses to board aircraft (their passports would have done just fine) or that Atta had actually been granted a visa and had been allowed to enter the country legally. This group doesn't let facts stand in the way of a smear.
There's more. The spot also alleges that Obama's health plan will cover illegal immigrants. Wrong again. Obama has quite explicitly ruled out coverage for those who are here illegally. Nor does he propose granting Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants, as the ad also claims.

Your source seems to be flawed there skippy
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../MNH1UL57Q.DTL
And incase you don't believe the san Francisco press
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNvdOYl63q0
He can lie and tap dance all he wants but he supported licenses for illegals.
 
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not everyone can become an A student and only A students can get scholorships. we have an easy choice... either provide good paying jobs for those kids who when giving it there all are C students or BUILD MORE PRISONS! either way it costs taxpayers. i would rather see a kid make 35,000 + in a manufacturing job then spend 18,000 a year to house him in prison.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821280
I found the problem; You live in a different country than I do.
I worked with students from 1996 until 2005. I saw HUNDREDS of low-middle income kids work, that's right work, their ways through college. Many of them choice junior colleges for 2 years so they then could afford larger Universities.
Whose responsible for the cost of education increasing? Aren't the universities in your State regulated by your State?
The unemployment numbers simply contradict the woeful tale you're trying to spin...
Let me explain this. We live in the 21st century. GONE are the days of steel mills and the glory days of labor unions (thank God). That "C" student needs to be hitting the books harder to become an "A" student.
We live in a global economy. The people that don't try to better themselves, work hard, and move to get an appropriate job aren't going to have a $60,000 a year job handed to them.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2822446
not everyone can become an A student and only A students can get scholorships. we have an easy choice... either provide good paying jobs for those kids who when giving it there all are C students or BUILD MORE PRISONS! either way it costs taxpayers. i would rather see a kid make 35,000 + in a manufacturing job then spend 18,000 a year to house him in prison.

Yes, because all poor, below average students become criminals...

Sorry. It is NOT the Government's job to provide "good paying jobs" to anyone.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2822446
not everyone can become an A student and only A students can get scholorships. ...
And that is blatantly false.
There are literally thousands of scholarships available to students wiling to volunteer, work hard and seek them out. Not to mention scholarships based on gender, race, religion, etc.
 
bionicarm

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bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2822449
And that is blatantly false.
There are literally thousands of scholarships available to students wiling to volunteer, work hard and seek them out. Not to mention scholarships based on gender, race, religion, etc.
When's the last time you looked at scholarships? My daughter is a junior in high school. She makes average grades, and is doubtful she'll make the Top 10% of her class. She is a hard worker and very intelligent. She's looking dilligently for various grants and scholarships to go to school, because she doesn't want to burden us with the bill. Yea, yea, we can easily afford it, but we're allowing her to see the harsh realities of trying to earn money for something she really wants on her own. These 'thousands' of scholarships you mention are ones for specific studies and fields. Most of them only pay $500 - $1500 towards tuition and books. They hardly put a dent in the cost of college education these days. The top Texas universities average $12,000 - $15,000 a year for tuition, books, and shared living expenses. It takes closer to 5 years to get a degree. Do the math. Unless you are Top 1% in your class, or get a 'full ride' from particiapting in extracurricular activities - sports, science, or The Arts, these 'thousands of scholarships' you talk about won't cut it.
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821754
Please show me some of McCain's plans that reek of Socialism as bad as Obamas.
Bob Barr's doesn't reek at all, he's your man. You don't have to choose between levels of reek, you have a clear alternative.
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2822448
Sorry. It is NOT the Government's job to provide "good paying jobs" to anyone.
It is the governments job to provide for National Security and exporting jobs is a National Security risk. Like a previous thread about call centers and everyone hates them. They aren't exported to India because Americans are ill-equipped to perform those functions. Americans can't live on the wages the third world countries are receiving from American companies. Sending USA dollars to foreign countries when they should stay hear, is UN-AMERICAN and UNPATRIOTIC... We value the investor over the (AMERICAN) worker every time....
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2822721
It is the governments job to provide for National Security and exporting jobs is a National Security risk. Like a previous thread about call centers and everyone hates them. They aren't exported to India because Americans are ill-equipped to perform those functions. Americans can't live on the wages the third world countries are receiving from American companies. Sending USA dollars to foreign countries when they should stay hear, is UN-AMERICAN and UNPATRIOTIC... We value the investor over the (AMERICAN) worker every time....
So how about we try this then....Lets get McCain in office and make America a place where companies can flourish and not be taxed into Extinction.Why is it do you think American companies ship jobs elswhere?Because they cant afford to keep jobs here and stay in business. Obama wants to raise the 35% tax business pay now to closer to 50%.How in the hell will that create jobs?
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2822749
Why is it do you think American companies ship jobs elswhere?
Perhaps the first person works for pennies on a $100, don't need healthcare, works 7 days a week at 12-16 hours a day. The Company gets to deduct these expense on the Swiss-cheese loop-holes in corporate taxes. Value to the shareholder.
The second picture can't compete with this.

 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2822857
Perhaps the first person works for pennies on a $100, don't need healthcare, works 7 days a week at 12-16 hours a day. The Company gets to deduct these expense on the Swiss-cheese loop-holes in corporate taxes. Value to the shareholder.
The second picture can't compete with this.
I have no idea what the hell your talking about or how relates to shipping jobs overseas ,but the pictures or nice even though they are a century apart.
 
zman1

zman1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2822882
I have no idea what the hell your talking about or how relates to shipping jobs overseas ,but the pictures or nice even though they are a century apart.
I was just answering your question on why the jobs move out of country. It is sad what the old picture illustrates when we didn't have those silly socialist child labor laws. History has this way of repeating its self, now these children are in third world counties doing their bidding for USA companies. It's difficult for hardworking American adults to compete against exploited peoples of third world countries in the name of profit and shareholder return.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2822545
Uh, they'renot my 'sources'. Want to make a statement that they're flawed, contact Newsweek and MSN. They were the ones who ran the story, not me.

You're the one that referenced them hence "your sources"

Imagine MSNBC and Newsweek painting Obama in a favorable light. I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED
 
jaymz

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821275
No... but given the choice we go with the much lesser of two evils...
Capitalist societies go bankrupt and need Socialist plans to bail them out huh? So you think people can't live without Government holding their hands and making their decisions for them?
People can live with out government holding there hands. The out of control big money hungry businesses cant. How could they ever do what they do with out a saftey net. The big business obviously have us by the huevos. If they mess up big we HAVE to excuse them and bail them out or we all suffer.
Why should I be lumped in with all those idiots that bought houses they couldnt afford.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2822910
I was just answering your question on why the jobs move out of country. It is sad what the old picture illustrates when we didn't have those silly socialist child labor laws. History has this way of repeating its self, now these children are in third world counties doing their bidding for USA companies. It's difficult for hardworking American adults to compete against exploited peoples of third world countries in the name of profit and shareholder return.
You paint a pretty broad and weak picture there with the exaggeration brush.But if we are going to learn something from the history you speak of,history tells us that if you raise taxes during economic turmoil,it makes for a worsened economy .Exactly like what happened prior to the "Great Depression"
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2823068
Exactly like what happened prior to the "Great Depression"
Yes you are correct, Republicans saw over this disaster too... History has a way of repeating itself
Coolidge 1923–1929
Hoover 1929–1933
 
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