I think America needs FOX NEWS!

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Thank you rabbit! Couldn't have said it better myself. Democrats are too liberal but at least they give a rip about the earth and nature, that includes our friends from the sea! Republicans are just too critical and can't say anything positive except about other Republicans to save their life!
What about bush's speech when they unvieled the clinton portrait. He kissed clintons ars.
Libs really don't care about the environment. Look at how they ACTUALLY live. Private jets, motorcades, mansions, If they really cared the would be living in a 2 bedroom house, with solar panels and taking a bus or commercial airplane. The whole point of man made global warming is to create a problem and say I am the answer. (not saying that Republicans don't do this too with other stuff)
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Ok name some scientist that don't believe in global warming. ...
Furthermore, I think you missed the name I posted the first time. One of the compilers of this petition is a former President of the Academy of Sciences.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
How's is keeping our troops in there saving their lives? All the republicans I've known deny global warming.
Ok all of you talk about not being biased and how Fox News can change America, so I'll make a deal with all of you. For each person that watches an Inocovient Truth unbiasedly, I will watch Fox News for 2 hours. You think Fox can change America, well I watched An Incovient Truth biasedly but man did it wake me up. Anyone want to make it a deal?
I've watched it. Sadly It was probably contained some of the worst arguments for global warming I've seen. Very easy with simple research to debunk most of his arguments.
From greenland melting, to the glaciers in on that african mountain. The information is just incorrect.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
"Al Gore facts" are some of the only facts I've seen supporting or disproving global warming. If you watch it you'll see where he gets his facts.

Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny
.. Article Publsih Date -->
June 30, 2007
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BY JAMES M. TAYLOR
.. Article's First Paragraph -->..dropstart-->In his new book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pleads, "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." Gore repeatedly asks that science and reason displace cynical political posturing as the central focus of public discourse...dropend-->
If Gore really means what he writes, he has an opportunity to make a difference by leading by example on the issue of global warming.
A cooperative and productive discussion of global warming must be open and honest regarding the science. Global warming threats ought to be studied and mitigated, and they should not be deliberately exaggerated as a means of building support for a desired political position.
Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.
For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."
Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."
Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.
Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.
Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa."
Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.
Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century.
Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...REF30b.article
There are also some informative speeches by a senator in OK. I can't remember his name. Michael Criton has a good book entertaining and informative (all his facts are referenced)
 

aztec reef

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The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
here's something i don't agree 100%..
Yeah we know that there's no scientific evidence that human released carbon will cause an effect on GW. There's a loop hole here.
Of course gases released by humans alone won't cause a catastrophic heating, it's not just gases its all the usage of other sources too.
Periodic cycle is caused by seasonal variations in CO2 absorption by plants,
if gases alone were to have an impact on Global Warming then we wouldn't have had the Global Cooling 20 years ago. Things would've regulated. right?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
here's something i don't agree 100%..
Yeah we know that there's no scientific evidence that human released carbon will cause an effect on GW. There's a loop hole here.
Of course gases released by humans alone won't cause a catastrophic heating, it's not just gases its all the usage of other sources too.
if gases alone were to have an impact on Global Warming then we wouldn't have had the Global Cooling 20 years ago. Things would've regulated. right?
The other problem with the concept of human made global warming, turns into a math problem, you basically having to assume that there are no other factors that cause our tempurature to change. Yeah it would be true that if nothing else changed and we pumped co2 into the air the tempurature would rise. but there are an infanite amount of other factors like the SUN. Which manytime are overlooked. Many of the climate models used that are used for manmade global warming simply omit the sun. It just is one big bad argument.
 

hobbes

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
You people are funny talking about Global Warming,Global Cooling ect.
It's called Evolution, Mother Nature, climate change.
There's nothing we Humans can do to stop climate change. All we can do is regulate the climate and make it the best environment possible, by changing the ways we use sources such as water, electricity ,gas, greenhouse gas ect.. that's all we can do..
The earth will continue on heating up, then we will have global cooling once this GW phase goes through, but that will take a few decades..

I will also add to that, Mars is also going through global warming. It is kinda hard to blame humans for that.
I am not denying that Earth is going through global warming but to say that by driving a car that gets 5 mpg better gas mileage is going to make a difference is absurd.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hobbes
I consider myself pretty conservative (not a republican) but I get a bit tired of Foxnews. Like CNN, so many of their stories seem like soap operas.
God rest her soul but why was it that we needed 24 hour coverage of Anna Nicole Smith? Or Natalie Holloway??? Enough already! This isn't news.
Unfortunately, Fox is the closest thing to a conservative broadcast on tv. CNN does have a couple of good programs like Glen Beck and Lou Dobbs though.
I agree I hate greta. but come on Lou Dobbs, has to be the dumbest guy on CNN. I'm a recent grad majoring in econ, and international biz. And he doesn't have the first clue about our economy at all.
 

hobbes

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
I agree I hate greta. but come on Lou Dobbs, has to be the dumbest guy on CNN. I'm a recent grad majoring in econ, and international biz. And he doesn't have the first clue about our economy at all.

As far as anything economics is concerned, I go by the "Dave Ramsey" philosophy, if can't afford, you shouldn't by buying it. It has worked well for me so far, anything outside of that, I am not really interested in.
I like Lou Dobbs because he seems to stay away from the pop culture stories. Atleast whenever I have turned him on that is the case. Glenn Beck, I have always liked from his radio show. He sometimes wanders into pop culture but it does not seem as bad with him.
Greta is the worst by far. I find her show to be unbearable.
P.S. Dave Ramsey- has a financial show during the day on the radio
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hobbes
As far as anything economics is concerned, I go by the "Dave Ramsey" philosophy, if can't afford, you shouldn't by buying it. It has worked well for me so far, anything outside of that, I am not really interested in.
I like Lou Dobbs because he seems to stay away from the pop culture stories. Atleast whenever I have turned him on that is the case. Glenn Beck, I have always liked from his radio show. He sometimes wanders into pop culture but it does not seem as bad with him.
Greta is the worst by far. I find her show to be unbearable.
P.S. Dave Ramsey- has a financial show during the day on the radio
Yeah for you and me it is that simple, but the US and world economies are a bit more complicated.
 

hobbes

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
Yeah for you and me it is that simple, but the US and world economies are a bit more complicated.

True. That probably is a good thing for someone like you with an econ degree.
 

reefraff

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Maybe ALgore invented 100%, Ooops, Algore took the initiative to create 100%. (wouldn't want to be accused of twisting his words)
 

darthtang aw

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Wonder where Mike22 went now that the opposition facts, and the debunking of an inconvienent truth occurred. By the way, I did watch Al Gore's movie....Had my fiance going the whole time. I just sat back and let her watch then showed her everything else that Al Gore failed to mentioned and she saw it isn't a crisis like he stated.
Nice info everyone, thought I was going to have to bring out all my sources and info...but looks like I do not have to.
 

rabbit_72

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I kind of dislike someone taking me out of context and changing what I meant to suit their needs. By finding a middle ground, I mean, do what you can in your community to recycle, clean up, plant more trees, whatever. You don't have to believe in global warming. Just do the right thing. Reduce how many times you get in your car and drive, if possible. I only need to fill up my tank once every 2 weeks, cuz I don't have much of a life! Really, I just stay home or go to work. Hubby now car pools and saves $$ that way. Little things we can do whether you believe in global warming or not. I absolutely refuse to be a Bush basher. No way no how. He's our President and that is that.
Al Gore is a hypocrit. I tried watching and Inconvient Truth, really I did. But if that man is going to spend more on his electric bill in one month than I do in a whole year or more, than whatever he has to say is completely meaningless. When Al Gore starts going GREEN, maybe then more people will take him seriously. Until then, he does not have my support.
As far as Iraq, after 9/11 (which the kids that are too young to remember who post here), there was quite a lot of bad feelings going on. We were violated, loved ones senselessly killed. I know I was so angry I just didn't know what to do with myself. After finding out that a boy that I went to school with since we were 8 years old was killed in the WTC that day, I am even more dedicated to the efforts of the WAR on Terrorism. My uncle also had an office in the WTC, but luckily he was in Maryland that day and didn't frequent that particular office that day. But just what if he had been there.... So when the question came as to whether or not to invade Iraq, right or wrong, this country with fresh, open wounds, decided to take matters in our own hands and get some of the bad guys before they got us again. Yes, not everything is going right over there right now. I pray for the civilians there and our troops. But I am glad they got Saddam.
So before thinking all Republicans are bad, think of maybe some of the good things. 9/11 changed us all, whether we like it or not. You can thank the terrorists for this mess. I support my troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I support my President because I am an American and proud to be one. And if the rest of the world doesn't like me, too bad.
Sorry, I do not mean to sound rude or anything. I just get mad at liberal thinking sometimes and how people who claim to be open minded are not at all. Our world has more problems than global warming. If we don't do something, global warming won't even matter anymore.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by rabbit_72
I kind of dislike someone taking me out of context and changing what I meant to suit their needs. By finding a middle ground, I mean, do what you can in your community to recycle, clean up, plant more trees, whatever. You don't have to believe in global warming. Just do the right thing. Reduce how many times you get in your car and drive, if possible. I only need to fill up my tank once every 2 weeks, cuz I don't have much of a life! Really, I just stay home or go to work. Hubby now car pools and saves $$ that way. Little things we can do whether you believe in global warming or not. I absolutely refuse to be a Bush basher. No way no how. He's our President and that is that.
Al Gore is a hypocrit. I tried watching and Inconvient Truth, really I did. But if that man is going to spend more on his electric bill in one month than I do in a whole year or more, than whatever he has to say is completely meaningless. When Al Gore starts going GREEN, maybe then more people will take him seriously. Until then, he does not have my support.
As far as Iraq, after 9/11 (which the kids that are too young to remember who post here), there was quite a lot of bad feelings going on. We were violated, loved ones senselessly killed. I know I was so angry I just didn't know what to do with myself. After finding out that a boy that I went to school with since we were 8 years old was killed in the WTC that day, I am even more dedicated to the efforts of the WAR on Terrorism. My uncle also had an office in the WTC, but luckily he was in Maryland that day and didn't frequent that particular office that day. But just what if he had been there.... So when the question came as to whether or not to invade Iraq, right or wrong, this country with fresh, open wounds, decided to take matters in our own hands and get some of the bad guys before they got us again. Yes, not everything is going right over there right now. I pray for the civilians there and our troops. But I am glad they got Saddam.
So before thinking all Republicans are bad, think of maybe some of the good things. 9/11 changed us all, whether we like it or not. You can thank the terrorists for this mess. I support my troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. I support my President because I am an American and proud to be one. And if the rest of the world doesn't like me, too bad.
Sorry, I do not mean to sound rude or anything. I just get mad at liberal thinking sometimes and how people who claim to be open minded are not at all. Our world has more problems than global warming. If we don't do something, global warming won't even matter anymore.
I think on somewhat of a simular thread, I don't know what to and not to believe anymore. When it comes to taking care of our planet. I love the outdoors and am held in wonderment when I see giant sequoias, volcanos, oceans and stuff. and I think we should take steps to protect our beautiful planet. I live in a small house, drive a honda, I recycle, but come one with nuts like al gore, actors, and politicials, (the LEAST stable and intellegent part of society) are the ones harping on this, you don't know what to believe. If al gore or any of these other nuts really cared about our planet and environment they would shut up and stop being the boy who cried wolf.
 

rabbit_72

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
I think on somewhat of a simular thread, I don't know what to and not to believe anymore. When it comes to taking care of our planet. I love the outdoors and am held in wonderment when I see giant sequoias, volcanos, oceans and stuff. and I think we should take steps to protect our beautiful planet. I live in a small house, drive a honda, I recycle, but come one with nuts like al gore, actors, and politicials, (the LEAST stable and intellegent part of society) are the ones harping on this, you don't know what to believe. If al gore or any of these other nuts really cared about our planet and environment they would shut up and stop being the boy who cried wolf.
I honestly do not believe that celebrities actually help political candidates. If I see an actor or actress backing a politician, that's the politician I stay away from. What exactly does Hollywood have to offer the rest rest of us besides a good movie?
As far as what to believe, I believe in following your heart and conscience. You will find your answers there.
Yes, we live in a smaller house too, even though I would love something with more space, and try not to overconsume electricity. I recycle everything our community recycles.
I love the outdoors as well and wish I could spend more time out in it.
And as far as global warming is concerned, it isn't here in WI today! I am freezing! Isn't it July?????? It's like 66 degrees out at 10:50in the morning. Maybe I moved to Alaska and didn't know it. I had to trade in my shorts for sweatpants!!! Now I need mittens!
 

reefraff

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No kidding, a lot of the politically motivated celebs have no education beyond high school and absolutly no clue about life in the real world so why get worked up over what they have to say.
As far as Global Warming which has been happening since the last ice age, to assume man is the cause is foolish. It is actually more frightening to assume it is a purely naturally event. What percentage of the world's population lives within a short distance of the coast? If the climate continues to warm the sea levels will rise. Do we really want to continue to develop in coastal areas that are near sea level?
I was all for doing whatever was reasonable to cut CO2 emissions until I read an article about CO2 and historic weather patterns. It claims the increased CO2 levels in the ice caps LAG warming trends. The conclusion of the study was the CO2 was a result of the warmer temps, not the cause. Is it possible that study was flawed? yes, just like it's possible that the warming theories are as wrong as the cooling theories were back in the early 70's. I think it probably does make sense to reduce CO2 emissions within reason but until they can come up with a reasonably accurate model of what effect CO2 reallys has I don;'t think we need to be killing our economy to do it.
Now if CO2 is sooo bad why do the enviros continue to fight nuclear power which is produces none? Why do they fight the logging of dead or dying trees in burn areas which forces a living tree to be cut down somehwere else? Hell, why do they oppose fire supression? A living tree produces oxygen and scrubs CO2 in daylight while a decaying (or burning) tree produces CO2 24/7. Why promote a hairbrained scheme like Kyoto which does very little to reduce CO2 emissions? Allowing rich countries to purchace "carbon credits" from poor ones is nothing more than a global income redistribution scheme.
 

rabbit_72

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First off, although coastal communities are nice and all, the chance of hurricanes and rising sea levels make me rethink the logic of building a home there. Of course if by chance a hurricane does take your house on the coast, apparently U.S. tax dollars will help to rebuild your dreamhome (I believe it was a 20/20 report on ABC a couple of years back). I still wouldn't build because I do not think it is fair for tax payers to have to rebuild my million dollar home cuz I was dumb enough to build on the caost in the first place.
Second, these studies on global warming are done by scientists, humans. And we all know humans are flawed. There is a very good chance that these studies are not accurate.
Third, it makes total sense to remove dead or dying trees. Would you keep it in your yard? Do you keep the dead parts on a house plant? (OK, sometimes I get lazy and don't remove the dead leaves!) You are supposed to remove the dead parts to improve the quality of the live parts. That's just common sense and doesn't require a college degree to figure that out!
Of course, all that said, doesn't hurt to do what you can to make the world a little cleaner.
 
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