I think America needs FOX NEWS!

[mike22cha]

Thank you all for putting forth the effort to show me the proof against the argument against global warming. I think Al Gore is a hypocrite, but aren't we all? I guess you guys moved me back into the middle and I appreciate that. But the graphs that Al Gore sure can scare the crap out of ya. I don't know, I'd hate to feel responsible if the ice caps did melt and people died because I didn't try to do my part, but yet there is a good argument both ways. At first I thought the movie was a scam by Apple because of all the apple products.

I don't now about global warming now, but I can't see anything wrong with trying to use different energy sources and being less dependent on oil companies. Wouldn't that help us gain an advantage over countries supporting terrorists in the middle east if their oil wasn't worth as much?
I'm sorry, I know Bush is our prez and we should respect that but my favorite line from him today was,"When I look in the mirra (mirror he mispronounced)..."

sorry it's hard to stop.
About all the different news stations, I think a variety can't hurt, learn from the good the bad and the ugly ones.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Thank you all for putting forth the effort to show me the proof against the argument against global warming. I think Al Gore is a hypocrite, but aren't we all? I guess you guys moved me back into the middle and I appreciate that. But the graphs that Al Gore sure can scare the crap out of ya. I don't know, I'd hate to feel responsible if the ice caps did melt and people died because I didn't try to do my part, but yet there is a good argument both ways. At first I thought the movie was a scam by Apple because of all the apple products.

I don't now about global warming now, but I can't see anything wrong with trying to use different energy sources and being less dependent on oil companies. Wouldn't that help us gain an advantage over countries supporting terrorists in the middle east if their oil wasn't worth as much?
I'm sorry, I know Bush is our prez and we should respect that but my favorite line from him today was,"When I look in the mirra (mirror he mispronounced)..."

sorry it's hard to stop.
About all the different news stations, I think a variety can't hurt, learn from the good the bad and the ugly ones.
that is what democrats do they use scare tactics it's getting old...tobin

 

[stdreb27]

I'm sorry, I know Bush is our prez and we should respect that but my favorite line from him today was,"When I look in the mirra (mirror he mispronounced)..."

sorry it's hard to stop.

It how I say it.

 

[f14peter]

Problem with all mainstream network news is that it's a business, not some riteous service to provide information. It's all about the ratings. I used to work in TV news (Thank God no more) and while I forget when the ratings periods are (There are four per year when the Nielson Ratings are compiled), I can tell when we're in a ratings period as the news is filled with all sorts of "Special reports".
It's an old adage that people watch bad news and don't watch good news. Therefore, a perponderance of bad news makes the airwaves.
Therefore, they rely upon the latest story and sensationalism. Let's have the most wiz-bang graphics set, let's get some zippy music, and top if of with the latest pretty-face we can find.
Having very little time and too much to show, the stories lack in-depth reporting, which is pathetic, but not out of the ordinary. Really, watch a news package and when it's over, think back and ask, "What did it really say? What did it really tell me?" Odds are, nothing.
That problem is excaberated by how little time is actually devoted to news. Currently, the programming v commercial ratio is about 43/17 minutes per hour, even less so of actual programming once bumpers, intros and promos are factored in.
Indeed, the news services love to pat themselves on the back, telling us what a great job they're doing. But in reality, it means nothing. Anderson Cooper on CNN has his "Keeping them honest" series, but what does it really accomplish? Again, nothing.
Sadly, this rain puddle deep news has a disportionate impact on the public since the majority have no idea what's really happening. A great example was during the Vietnam War and the Tet Offensive. The battles were a unmitigated military disaster for the Viet Cong, essentially eliminating them as a viable force on the battlefield. However, when Walter Cronkite annouced that Vietnam was a "Whole new war", the public intepreted this as a US defeat.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by f14peter
Problem with all mainstream network news is that it's a business, not some riteous service to provide information. It's all about the ratings. I used to work in TV news (Thank God no more) and while I forget when the ratings periods are (There are four per year when the Nielson Ratings are compiled), I can tell when we're in a ratings period as the news is filled with all sorts of "Special reports".
It's an old adage that people watch bad news and don't watch good news. Therefore, a perponderance of bad news makes the airwaves.
Therefore, they rely upon the latest story and sensationalism. Let's have the most wiz-bang graphics set, let's get some zippy music, and top if of with the latest pretty-face we can find.
Having very little time and too much to show, the stories lack in-depth reporting, which is pathetic, but not out of the ordinary. Really, watch a news package and when it's over, think back and ask, "What did it really say? What did it really tell me?" Odds are, nothing.
That problem is excaberated by how little time is actually devoted to news. Currently, the programming v commercial ratio is about 43/17 minutes per hour, even less so of actual programming once bumpers, intros and promos are factored in.
Indeed, the news services love to pat themselves on the back, telling us what a great job they're doing. But in reality, it means nothing. Anderson Cooper on CNN has his "Keeping them honest" series, but what does it really accomplish? Again, nothing.
Sadly, this rain puddle deep news has a disportionate impact on the public since the majority have no idea what's really happening. A great example was during the Vietnam War and the Tet Offensive. The battles were a unmitigated military disaster for the Viet Cong, essentially eliminating them as a viable force on the battlefield. However, when Walter Cronkite annouced that Vietnam was a "Whole new war", the public intepreted this as a US defeat.
i still hate walter cronkite for that, that is when i quit trusting the news and i was only 5 my dad explained everything to me being he was a former navy frogman he was up to date and he told me how they gave it their best and were destroyed, i hate mainstream media since then as they dstorted the truth and continue to do so today...tobin

 

[mike22cha]

I'm sorry, I know Bush is our prez and we should respect that but my favorite line from him today was,"When I look in the mirra (mirror he mispronounced)..."

sorry it's hard to stop.
It how I say it.

And we're complaining about mexicans not speaking english.

Our president didn't take a lot of English and Grammar classes obvilously.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
Thank you all for putting forth the effort to show me the proof against the argument against global warming. I think Al Gore is a hypocrite, but aren't we all? I guess you guys moved me back into the middle and I appreciate that. But the graphs that Al Gore sure can scare the crap out of ya. I don't know, I'd hate to feel responsible if the ice caps did melt and people died because I didn't try to do my part, but yet there is a good argument both ways. At first I thought the movie was a scam by Apple because of all the apple products.

I don't now about global warming now, but I can't see anything wrong with trying to use different energy sources and being less dependent on oil companies. Wouldn't that help us gain an advantage over countries supporting terrorists in the middle east if their oil wasn't worth as much?
I'm sorry, I know Bush is our prez and we should respect that but my favorite line from him today was,"When I look in the mirra (mirror he mispronounced)..."

sorry it's hard to stop.
About all the different news stations, I think a variety can't hurt, learn from the good the bad and the ugly ones.
Welcome to the middle, AKA common sense land.
You don't have to like Bush to show the office respect. Contrary to what most of the media would have you believe the guy is not dumb. He went to the same university as Kerry and had a very slightly better GPA, He beat Ann Richard for governor of Texas twice and held his own with Gore and Kerry in debates.
If you are going to slam a person for their dialect go back and listen to the way Kennedy pronounced words.

 

[mike22cha]

Yep. All the teachers at my school can't say one thing positive. They are all republicans. They talk about communism being bad, democrats being bad, abortion being a sin, athesist being bad, gays being bad, the list goes on. We got wackos. My government teacher last year talked about rock and roll being a communist plot, the battle between democrats and republicans a battle between good and evil, and he talked about his teenage glory days protesting at an abortion clinic. My 7th grade science teacher was just as bad and buys only a certain gasoline because it is from south america and he doesn't buy muslim gasoline. I haven't heard one good thing from them like isn't a beautiful day, did you hear the new bill they passed isn't it great!

 

[mike22cha]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Welcome to the middle, AKA common sense land.
You don't have to like Bush to show the office respect. Contrary to what most of the media would have you believe the guy is not dumb. He went to the same university as Kerry and had a very slightly better GPA, He beat Ann Richard for governor of Texas twice and held his own with Gore and Kerry in debates.
If you are going to slam a person for their dialect go back and listen to the way Kennedy pronounced words.
OK I'll stop. But you don't think any of that had to do with daddy money do you? I don't know, he may be a smart man, but he isn't a good speaker.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
OK I'll stop. But you don't think any of that had to do with daddy money do you? I don't know, he may be a smart man, but he isn't a good speaker.
You weren't going to buy your way to an election win in texas against Ann Richards, She was smart and well liked. I still remember laughing my arse off when she did the Dems Keynote address.

 

[mike22cha]

Not the texas election, the whole education part.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by reefraff
You weren't going to buy your way to an election win in texas against Ann Richards, She was smart and well liked. I still remember laughing my arse off when she did the Dems Keynote address.
The first election I was old enough to vote in was when I helped him beat Ann "the witch" Richards.... Ahhh, the glory days.
He can't speak well in public. Noooo question. But I do trust him. I also believe he knows what he's doing. Take a look at the Texas economy. No state income tax and we run a huge surplus.
Mike22, thanks for keeping an open mind. As someone else said, welcome back to "common sense land".
There is no question that man can have an adverse effect on the environment. Look at the Dodo bird, Passenger Pigeon, Red Wolf, etc. Unfortunately extremists like Gore so marginalize an issue that nothing gets done.
I agree we need alternate fuel and conservation. I'm a huge fan of Nuclear power. If France can do it for Heavens sakes we should be able to.

 

[mike22cha]

We need to get in the race of finding different energy sources, if not for the enviroment then at least for America's popularity with the rest of the world.
Another question about Iraq, I know we're staying in there to build up their government, but we're basicly sitting ducks. Why don't we spread out or forces in search for terrorist training camps and stuff. One problem I got with the war in Iraq is most of our troops are in Iraq instead of searching for the actual terrorist group that planned 9/11. We do have some, but why not send more troops to that mission? I want to hear the republican pro-war awnser so I thought I'd ask it here.

 

[reefraff]

Once the terrorists were denied safe haven in Afghanistan they headed for the hills of Pakistan. Personally I think we should just level the area that they are hiding in but people a lot smarter than me that think that would be a bad idea because the extremists that tolertate the terrorists would be enraged by an attack. The way I look at it the radicals the terrorists recruit hate us anyway so why not exterminate the terrorists so the radicals aren't a threat?

 

[mike22cha]

I guess if there were inocent citizens killed it would enrage the whole Muslim cummonity. If sent in a small cammando unit and were sure of targets, but still Pakistan is one of the things stopping us. But staying in Iraq insures the terrorist know where we will be 24/7 just waiting to get attacked.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
We need to get in the race of finding different energy sources, if not for the enviroment then at least for America's popularity with the rest of the world.
Another question about Iraq, I know we're staying in there to build up their government, but we're basicly sitting ducks. Why don't we spread out or forces in search for terrorist training camps and stuff. One problem I got with the war in Iraq is most of our troops are in Iraq instead of searching for the actual terrorist group that planned 9/11. We do have some, but why not send more troops to that mission? I want to hear the republican pro-war awnser so I thought I'd ask it here.

do you remember the deck of cards list most were caught in iraq, then you have pakistan who are doing a good job but restrict us severely, then you throw in the foreign fighters that come into iraq, iraq is the battle ground and if pakistan would let us use there borders more freely we would be there more in force anyway but we now have the iraqi civillians taking up arms against al quada, and there are factions that are turning against them too we are winning but the news plays the defeatist anthem daily like we lost another 5 soldiers todayy but not mention the 40 insurgients ( another word to humanize them instead of calling them terrorist ) and 62 captured they will then go into bush's approval rating and leave the wins out of it...tobin

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
We need to get in the race of finding different energy sources, if not for the enviroment then at least for America's popularity with the rest of the world.
Another question about Iraq, I know we're staying in there to build up their government, but we're basicly sitting ducks. Why don't we spread out or forces in search for terrorist training camps and stuff. One problem I got with the war in Iraq is most of our troops are in Iraq instead of searching for the actual terrorist group that planned 9/11. We do have some, but why not send more troops to that mission? I want to hear the republican pro-war awnser so I thought I'd ask it here.

They are, you don't don't here that reported. I have 2 family members over therre, one in the special forces, one in a blackhawk unit. They aren't just sitting there playing cops. They have both done some really wild stuff, clearing cities, terrorist camps ect. Do you not remember (I can't spell in english much less middle eastern city names) falluga? Do you remember how every day for months we heard that their were US soldiers dying. well they cleared that city house by house. Now you don't hear about that city anymore. Not much bad is happening here.
By the way what is wrong with a southern accent? How is that miss-pronounced. While those yankees can't say their R's. I was listing to this guy give me directions once. He told me to pull into the parking lot and stop at the "god" shack. And talk to the god and he will give me a parking sticker. I didn't have the first clue what he was talking about. Then it finally dawned on me Guard shack.
But comeone, you mock someone from texas for saying mirra. Insinuating that he is unintelligent stupid, dump or whatever. The english language has hundreds of accents, I don't mock the brit for talking like a brit, or an irish man for his accent. It is foolish to say oh he is stupid and mispronoucing words because he doesn't pronouce words the same as I do. I will laugh at the god shack story because it is funny. But it is part of our culture and heritage.
I've got a brilliant Idea, we should get some important republican to mock some important black personality for speaking ebonics. Call him stupid dump, uneducated. And see the uproar that causes.
I will say I think he is a very good speaker when he shoots from the hip. (for those who don't understand texan) is unscripted. When he does that he comes across very believable and trustworthy. It is just those prepaired dry, reheared speaches that he butchers.

 

[stdreb27]

Ted Kennedy calling sammy sossa, sammy seuser on the other hand just looks dumb.

 

[mike22cha]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
They are, you don't don't here that reported. I have 2 family members over therre, one in the special forces, one in a blackhawk unit. They aren't just sitting there playing cops. They have both done some really wild stuff, clearing cities, terrorist camps ect. Do you not remember (I can't spell in english much less middle eastern city names) falluga? Do you remember how every day for months we heard that their were US soldiers dying. well they cleared that city house by house. Now you don't hear about that city anymore. Not much bad is happening here.
By the way what is wrong with a southern accent? How is that miss-pronounced. While those yankees can't say their R's. I was listing to this guy give me directions once. He told me to pull into the parking lot and stop at the "god" shack. And talk to the god and he will give me a parking sticker. I didn't have the first clue what he was talking about. Then it finally dawned on me Guard shack.
But comeone, you mock someone from texas for saying mirra. Insinuating that he is unintelligent stupid, dump or whatever. The english language has hundreds of accents, I don't mock the brit for talking like a brit, or an irish man for his accent. It is foolish to say oh he is stupid and mispronoucing words because he doesn't pronouce words the same as I do. I will laugh at the god shack story because it is funny. But it is part of our culture and heritage.
I've got a brilliant Idea, we should get some important republican to mock some important black personality for speaking ebonics. Call him stupid dump, uneducated. And see the uproar that causes.
I will say I think he is a very good speaker when he shoots from the hip. (for those who don't understand texan) is unscripted. When he does that he comes across very believable and trustworthy. It is just those prepaired dry, reheared speaches that he butchers.
Is that how texans pernounce it? I thought it was just a mistake made. Of course there are a lot of different accents to the English language, I didn't know that is how Texans say mirror. I live in OK which is close to Texas and have never heard it said like that before.
I know of clearing the cities in Iraq and I know our troops are doing a very good job and are risking their lives each day which deserves the respect of every American. But I was thinking maybe attacking it from the source may help the battle a little.
I'm sorry if I offended Texas, even though the Sooners are better, so please forgive me if taken as a remark against Texas. I assumed it was a mispronunciation by George.

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
They are, you don't don't here that reported. I have 2 family members over therre, one in the special forces, one in a blackhawk unit. They aren't just sitting there playing cops. They have both done some really wild stuff, clearing cities, terrorist camps ect. Do you not remember (I can't spell in english much less middle eastern city names) falluga? Do you remember how every day for months we heard that their were US soldiers dying. well they cleared that city house by house. Now you don't hear about that city anymore. Not much bad is happening here.
By the way what is wrong with a southern accent? How is that miss-pronounced. While those yankees can't say their R's. I was listing to this guy give me directions once. He told me to pull into the parking lot and stop at the "god" shack. And talk to the god and he will give me a parking sticker. I didn't have the first clue what he was talking about. Then it finally dawned on me Guard shack.
But comeone, you mock someone from texas for saying mirra. Insinuating that he is unintelligent stupid, dump or whatever. The english language has hundreds of accents, I don't mock the brit for talking like a brit, or an irish man for his accent. It is foolish to say oh he is stupid and mispronoucing words because he doesn't pronouce words the same as I do. I will laugh at the god shack story because it is funny. But it is part of our culture and heritage.
I've got a brilliant Idea, we should get some important republican to mock some important black personality for speaking ebonics. Call him stupid dump, uneducated. And see the uproar that causes.
I will say I think he is a very good speaker when he shoots from the hip. (for those who don't understand texan) is unscripted. When he does that he comes across very believable and trustworthy. It is just those prepaired dry, reheared speaches that he butchers.
i used to do long haul trucking and whenever i was up in those little northeastern states everybody on the cb sounded like a kennedy and they make fun of the southerners whatever...tobin