"If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon," said our president.

deejeff442

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the guy was in a community with citizen watch. he was out of place . why was travon there? he wasnt walking on the side walk ,he was on the peoples lawns. zmann had every right to ask and tail him. hell we live in the country and know every vehicle that goes by here. if one goes by slow i can see my neighbors watch them.bet your ass i have a couple guns here and being 500 feet from the road .if i see someone next to my house the gun will be pointed out the window letting bullets fly.this world aint what it used to be and there are way too many criminals around getting away with way too much.
 
beth

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Goodness! I hope I never find myself walking on to your property. LOL
When the kid walked passed the truck to check Zim out (Zim's words) that would be a good time to roll down the window, say who you are and ask him if he lives in the community. Instead of leaving your car and following in the dark.
 
deejeff442

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well you would have to jump a 5 foot fence in the first place to get to my house. my issue is he was walking on people front lawns instead of the sidewalk.
 
2quills

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Remind me not to go door to door selling magazine subscriptions in Jeff's neighborhood lol.
I can't see the kid being that scared of zmann tailing him. There were only about a bazillion doors near by that the kid could have easily ran up to and knocked on for help if he really felt like he was in danger. And if the kid's girlfriends letter to his mom was accurate than it sounds to me like trayvon was the one doing a little racial profiling, himself. I just can't see how what zimmerman did was that threatening to anybody or wrong for that matter. He was the point man for the neighborhood watch and that's what he was doing was watching his neighborhood because of the recent troubles experienced there. And if the kid did run and hide, then why in the world would he jump out of the bushes and confront zmann if he was scared?
One of zmann's previous calls to police was for the same type of report, and even he stated he didn't want to get out and confront the guys. I think that was even the call that led to a conviction of some sorts. Anybody here could have made a bad call in this situation. I'm sure if he knew the outcome then zmann would have never got out of the vehicle. There's nothing here (yet) to convince me that zmann should go to prison for what happened.
 
mantisman51

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I know 3 things for certain. 1) An innoccent, unarmed boy was shot to death. 2) He was being followed when his only crime was wanting a soda and candy bar. 3) If Zman doesn't get out if his truck, that innoccent boy would be alive. If Zman hasn't committed a crime, then our legal system is broken.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391112/if-i-had-a-son-he-would-look-like-trayvon-said-our-president/300#post_3525285
I know 3 things for certain. 1) An innoccent, unarmed boy was shot to death. 2) He was being followed when his only crime was wanting a soda and candy bar. 3) If Zman doesn't get out if his truck, that innoccent boy would be alive. If Zman hasn't committed a crime, then our legal system is broken.
You left out number 4. If Martin doesn't attack Zimmerman the gun never comes into play.
 
deejeff442

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#5 he has a past of crime and photos of him posing with guns. funny i grew up shooting guns but never took a pic posing like a gang dirtbag holding them.
 
2quills

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391112/if-i-had-a-son-he-would-look-like-trayvon-said-our-president/300#post_3525285
I know 3 things for certain. 1) An innoccent, unarmed boy was shot to death. 2) He was being followed when his only crime was wanting a soda and candy bar. 3) If Zman doesn't get out if his truck, that innoccent boy would be alive. If Zman hasn't committed a crime, then our legal system is broken.
Innocent of what, excactly? I'm not saying that the kid is guilty of anything because I don't know that he is. How are you so certain that he's not? I can assure you that the system is far from perfect. But if god forbid I ever found myself in a messed up situation that I had no intention of starting ever happened then I would hope that who ever was judging me was kind enough to review all of the available evidence and simply consider it before they convicting me.
 
beth

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mantisman51

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.Being afraid and using force when being followed? I guess we'll have to part company on that. I guess he should have ran all the way home so's not to be murdered? That is exactly opposite the premise of stand your ground. I don't think(know) posing with a gun is not a crime. My stupid, non-gang member nephews have done that. My God, a kid is dead and everyone(including me before I really looked at it with objectivity) wants to justify his killing as "just another black thug getting what he deserved'. Shame on all of us.
 
bang guy

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Had he not crossed private property without permission nobody would have even noticed him.
Posing with a gun isn't a crime and hopefully never will be.
Making sure someone crossing private property keeps moving isn't a crime and hopefully it never will be.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391112/if-i-had-a-son-he-would-look-like-trayvon-said-our-president/320#post_3525290
.Being afraid and using force when being followed? I guess we'll have to part company on that. I guess he should have ran all the way home so's not to be murdered? That is exactly opposite the premise of stand your ground. I don't think(know) posing with a gun is not a crime. My stupid, non-gang member nephews have done that. My God, a kid is dead and everyone(including me before I really looked at it with objectivity) wants to justify his killing as "just another black thug getting what he deserved'. Shame on all of us.
If the kid was afraid why did he confront Zimmerman rather than getting his ass home? As far as the racial aspect speak for yourself. I think Zimmerman is a disgrace to gunowners and a punk but he didn't murder the kid. There was a case here locally where a drunk college student walked into the wrong house and into the owners bedroom. After warning her the owner pulled out his gun and shot her (It was dark and all he could see was her flash light). Thankfully she didn't die. At the hearing she apologized to the guy who shot her. She wasn't intentionally breaking any laws and had no ill intent in mind but she put her self in a bad situation. It isn't exactly apples to apples but this was a case where somebody got shot who really didn't deserve it but it was a result of a bad choice on her part. Martin chose to confront Zimmerman. Who knew he was such a pudgy woos a 17 year old could drop him with one punch?
 
2quills

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/391112/if-i-had-a-son-he-would-look-like-trayvon-said-our-president/320#post_3525290
My God, a kid is dead and everyone(including me before I really looked at it with objectivity) wants to justify his killing as "just another black thug getting what he deserved'. Shame on all of us.
That is subjective, IMO. I don't think that anybody here really feels that way about it. If Zimmerman is lying then I think he should get what he deserves.
 
beth

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Personally, I in no way think Treyvon got what he deserved. A kid picking up some candy to snack on during a ball game doesn't deserve to be killed.
Zim doesn't deserve murder2 either and I think the evidence, or lack of it, speaks to that. Think back to all the crazy things being said when this all came up last year. Talk about wild accusations. Zimmerman was profiling. Zimmerman planned to gun down a black kid because he's a racist. Zimmerman made some sort of racial slur on the 911 call (Coon, remember?), now we need to revise the 2nd Am., our president making comments about this kid would be like his son, ETC, ETC. That is what started this discussion and got people debating this, not anyone feeling that Treyvon got what he deserved, because he did not.
Now, maybe Zim will get manslaughter or reckless endangerment. I don't think he'll get off clear and, as you said, a kid is dead.
 
reefraff

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Even if Zimmerman is Acquitted he isn't getting off Scott free. The guy will have to go into hiding at least for the foreseeable future and what little money he is able to earn is going top be going for legal bills for the rest of his life. Any jail time he might get will be hell because he'll have to be in solitary to keep from getting shanked.
 
reefraff

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No doubt. Unless they could show the kid saw the gun and was going for it it was the ultimate punk move to shoot him but given what I've seen of Zimmerman I can believe he thought his life was endanger just being thumped.
 
2quills

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Yeah, he's a punk either way. He just doesn't seem like the cold blooded killer, I wanna beat this kids arse for being black type of guy to me. Do you throw em away forever for being dumb? It's still is not a crime to follow someone. If someone was standing 10 ft away, yelling and cussing at me it doesn't give me the right to attack them so that they can shoot me. If Zimm was brandishing his weapon to scare the kid then that's another story. But there is absolutely no evidence of that. And if we believe the girls letter to the mom then Trayvon never said anything about the guy having a gun. In her letter she claims that Trayvon said he was being followed by some "racially expletive term". It's hard to believe the girl but why would she make this up?
 
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