Keeping a Mantis shrimp

deejeff442

deejeff442

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that thing is so neat.we are starting our move tomarrow.well my wife is at least.i have to work . she is going to the new hme with her cleaning kit,paint and brushes before i get the heavy stuff in there like my 4 fish tanks.
i will set up my 33 gallon for the mantis by next weekend.
hey joe is there a reason to get a smaller mantis?
the last time i was at my lfs a few months ago he had two peococks but they were probably 6+ inches big. i think they were $75.
theywere in seperate tanks and both were darting in and out of thier burrows .pretty fast .they had 5 inches or so of crushed coral mixed with sand and lr also there were alot of plants in there.pretty nice looking environment for them.
 
nwdyr

nwdyr

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Hey Joe , lookin good
I am talking to a guy right now about a house in cape coral , my friend down there is going to go look at it tomorrow. Its near the Cape Coral bridge , can actually see the river from the front yard ( this house is not on the water , the ones across the street are...big houses! ) My friend said its a pretty good area , if all works out we will be neighbors by April!
 
renogaw

renogaw

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/3231903
When it's dark outside and the lights are on in my house I see a reflection in the window.
I'm just sayin'
but, if you were in water, where lightwaves are bent differently, you wouldnt...
look through your tank to the opposite side...even put a light behind you
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/3232402
but, if you were in water, where lightwaves are bent differently, you wouldnt...
look through your tank to the opposite side...even put a light behind you
This is what I mean.
It's dark in the tank and light outside the tank. All I can see is some ugly old guy with a camera. Why wouldn't it look the same from the other side of the glass when it's dark in the room and bright inside the tank?
 
florida joe

florida joe

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I know what Band is talking about. I have taken pictures of my DT and had my reflection appear in the pic.
If I look at the mantis tank from one side straight through the other there is no reflection. However if I look though one side at an adjacent side I see a reflection of the ******** of the tank
 
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shrimpy brains

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I guess you could turn off the room lights, leave the tank lights on and stick your head in there. Then you will see what the fish see. This is something I have thought about, but haven't tried.
Anyone wanna give it a go and let us know what you see??
 
florida joe

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Deejeff442
•I picked out a small (2 ½ inch) peacock for these reasons. Equating size with age I feel that a younger one will adapt to an aquarium better and live longer. I picked a female simply because I like the aggression and have a gut feeling females are more aggressive. FYI my marine fish stores tell me they have to get their specimens from California and what usually comes through the wholesale houses to retail is larger older ones. I found a place on line in North Carolina that deals predominately with mantis shrimp and rare inverts. The person I talked to on the phone (Bill) stated Individual Photography, specific size provided, specific --- provided and any damages are noted
Dr Caldwell states that larger, older mantis shrimp and Odontodactylus scyllarus (peacocks) in particular are susceptible to bad molts and shell disease.
There seems to be an increased interest in starting a mantis tank on the boards. They in my opinion are fascinating to keep and not that expensive to maintain. My I suggest you start a tread on your build as we all do things a little different. Perhaps we can have a section in the aggressive fish form devoted to Stomatopods
Joe
 
deejeff442

deejeff442

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hey joe ,
thanks for the help so far.i asked my supplier and he said he can get anything and so far he has kept his word.he orders on sundays and gets shipments on tuesdays.i usually meet him at the airport for my fish.so i will ask him to get me a female peacock around 3-4 inches.see what he comes up with.
seeing this thread is going crazy i will start another with my tank setup and hopefully my mantis on tuesday.
jeff
 
renogaw

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ok, i guess maybe it depends on how small the tank is. let me ask something though...
if the reflection is happening on the inside glass of the tank, what is putting a non reflective covering on the OUTSIDE of the tank going to do? won't it still reflect on the inside?
 
renogaw

renogaw

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/3232515
I know what Band is talking about. I have taken pictures of my DT and had my reflection appear in the pic.
If I look at the mantis tank from one side straight through the other there is no reflection. However if I look though one side at an adjacent side I see a reflection of the ******** of the tank
yes, but this is because you are looking through different planes.
think of it this way. you're an animal at an aquarium, with those huge plate windows between you and me. how is it you can still see me and get scared by me if all you see is your own reflection?
 
cranberry

cranberry

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They sometimes see a reflection. Depends on the clarity of the glass and how the ambient light is falling. When the light falls into the room a certain time of the day, it affects the reflection and a nice clean glass will also reflect more. You can often see my fish bumping into the glass trying to get piece of food that's in the middle of the tank.
Happens with glass more than acrylic.
 
aquaknight

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One thing not considered in the reflection debate, is that you're using human sight and equating it to the mantis shrimp's (or any critter in the tank). Mantis shrimp do in fact see in color (err at least some color), but even still I don't think it's remotely compared to human vision.
On that note, I knew mantis shrimp had better then normal crustacean vision, but not this; http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320120732.htm A really good read.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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seeing this thread is going crazy i will start another with my tank setup and hopefully my mantis on tuesday.
jeff
Good this way we can zero in on your build
if the reflection is happening on the inside glass of the tank, what is putting a non reflective covering on the OUTSIDE of the tank going to do? won't it still reflect on the inside?
Don’t know that is what I and we will find out
yes, but this is because you are looking through different planes.

. My mistake was that I was looking through the front of the tank and an adjacent side. Doing so I was seeing the reflection of the ******** of the tank. I am assuming it has to do with a prism effect
Aquaknight great read
Sorry for yet another boring pic but it truly amazed me how Lola takes rocks and rearranges them around the opening of her burrow, notice the vertical piece of shell on the left of the opening. I introduced it into the far side of the tank yesterday. My only regret is that she seems to be moving things at night when the lights are off. I believe she is making the opining smaller so she can better defend herself if he has to also she can completely close is at will
 
hunt

hunt

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3233000
One thing not considered in the reflection debate, is that you're using human sight and equating it to the mantis shrimp's (or any critter in the tank). Mantis shrimp do in fact see in color (err at least some color), but even still I don't think it's remotely compared to human vision.
On that note, I knew mantis shrimp had better then normal crustacean vision, but not this; http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320120732.htm A really good read.

Mantis Shrimps have the most sophisticated vision in the animal world, far better than humans and streets ahead of even the birds. To begin with they have more than ten different types of receptor in their eyes (compared to our three), and this means that they can see far more colour and get information from wavelengths of light invisible to us. They can also see polarisation, and it is difficult for us to even imagine what that might be like. If you have ever used Polaroid glasses to look into water then you will have some idea of how useful this might be to a creature that lives in water. Not only does this ability enhance contrast, it also allows mantis shrimps to see transparent ‘invisible’ creatures and to recognise the light coming from the scales of fish. It also allows them to ‘see’ the phases of the moon and to predict the tides.
 
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shrimpy brains

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Hey Joe, you said something about getting younger mantis for more successful molts. I was thinking about this and wondering if shrimp molt in order to grow, do they ever stop growing? Do they continue to molt after they stop growing? Or at some point do they stop molting?
 
renogaw

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the only way for crustaceons (gah, sp?) to grow is to molt. they can also molt to regrow limbs/broken shells without growing larger. the older a crusto is, the harder it becomes to molt, and without a successful molt, if during a growing point, the crusto's innards will get crushed and the animal will die. hope this helps shrimpy
 
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shrimpy brains

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Originally Posted by renogaw
http:///forum/post/3233429
the only way for crustaceons (gah, sp?) to grow is to molt. they can also molt to regrow limbs/broken shells without growing larger. the older a crusto is, the harder it becomes to molt, and without a successful molt, if during a growing point, the crusto's innards will get crushed and the animal will die. hope this helps shrimpy
Thanks!
 
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