Movie theater shooting

flower

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483781
Taking up arms against our current government would be an effort in futility. The playing field isn't the same as it was 250 years ago. Want to go up against Washington with your AR-15's and AK-47's? They send a drone with a tactile missle and end your "constitutional right" then and there. It's called diplomacy. That's what this country was built on. Take the mentality that you need weapons to file grievances against your government, and you end up like Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
I just don't understand why this whole thing has become a gun issue....One of the most prolific seriel killers (the Green river killer) strangled his victims. Because he was quiet and didn't use a gun he went unapprehended for many years...killing on a regular basis for whatever twisted reason he had. He murdered lots more people than this deluded soul. The list of weird sicko people, and what they did to their victims is long and horrifying.
A lunitic is a menace to society. We should address the issue of how this crazy managed to slip thru the cracks undetected to do so much damage....it makes no difference what method of murder he selected to carry out his illusions and sick twisted reasons. We need a way to find the crazy folks before they do their damage, be it with a nylon stocking or a gun.
The patient doctor, or the lawyer client privilege should for example, not apply where a murderer or the murderous thoughts of someone the doctor feels may act those thoughts out are involved. There should be a way to prevent the crazies and evil people from being allowed to run free when somebody, somewhere knows something.
It won't prevent all of the sad events but it would curb many of them. The lobbyists against guns use these events as a sounding board to justify their stand point. The problem is not the weapon of choice, it's the crazy that was allowed to roam free undetected and managed to harm other people.
I want to add this: My mother was shot with a hunting riffle by her drunken husband....(Not my natural father) So I certainly have no love for guns. No doubt if the idiot had no rifle he would have clobbered her over the head with a skillet or something. In all honesty...it just wasn't the guns fault, nor was it because the gun was handy by the door... she may not have survived a beating over the head with a blunt object...the problem was the drunken husband.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483792
I just don't understand why this whole thing has become a gun issue....One of the most prolific seriel killers (the Green river killer) strangled his victims. Because he was quiet and didn't use a gun he went unapprehended for many years...killing on a regular basis for whatever twisted reason he had. He murdered lots more people than this deluded soul. The list of weird sicko people, and what they did to their victims is long and horrifying.
A lunitic is a menace to society. We should address the issue of how this crazy managed to slip thru the cracks undetected to do so much damage....it makes no difference what method of murder he selected to carry out his illusions and sick twisted reasons. We need a way to find the crazy folks before they do their damage, be it with a nylon stocking or a gun.
The patient doctor, or the lawyer client privilege should for example, not apply where a murderer or the murderous thoughts of someone the doctor feels may act those thoughts out are involved. There should be a way to prevent the crazies and evil people from being allowed to run free when somebody, somewhere knows something.
It won't prevent all of the sad events but it would curb many of them. The lobbyists against guns use these events as a sounding board to justify their stand point. The problem is not the weapon of choice, it's the crazy that was allowed to roam free undetected and managed to harm other people.
I want to add this: My mother was shot with a hunting riffle by her drunken husband....(Not my natural father) So I certainly have no love for guns. No doubt if the idiot had no rifle he would have clobbered her over the head with a skillet or something. In all honesty...it just wasn't the guns fault, nor was it because the gun was handy by the door... she may not have survived a beating over the head with a blunt object...the problem was the drunken husband.
This incident is a gun issue because of the number and types of weapons he used, and the carnage he created in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. Serial killers like you described did their "carnage" over months and years. Gun proponents have nothing to fear. No further gun legislation will become of this event. Obama hasn't made a peep about this being a gun issue. There's no one in Congress that will touch that issue because of the powerful stranglehold the NRA has on those people. So this will just go down as another unfortunate event of someone who "popped a gasket", and we'll sit around and wait for the next "gasket popper" who'll commit a similar act at a shopping mall, amusement park, church, major tourist attraction, or virtually anywhere you can go. Just like someone stated that after watching Jaws, they no longer feel safe to swim in the ocean. After this event, people will have second thoughts about attending midnight movie premiers
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483792
I just don't understand why this whole thing has become a gun issue....One of the most prolific seriel killers (the Green river killer) strangled his victims. Because he was quiet and didn't use a gun he went unapprehended for many years...killing on a regular basis for whatever twisted reason he had. He murdered lots more people than this deluded soul. The list of weird sicko people, and what they did to their victims is long and horrifying.
A lunitic is a menace to society. We should address the issue of how this crazy managed to slip thru the cracks undetected to do so much damage....it makes no difference what method of murder he selected to carry out his illusions and sick twisted reasons. We need a way to find the crazy folks before they do their damage, be it with a nylon stocking or a gun.
The patient doctor, or the lawyer client privilege should for example, not apply where a murderer or the murderous thoughts of someone the doctor feels may act those thoughts out are involved. There should be a way to prevent the crazies and evil people from being allowed to run free when somebody, somewhere knows something.
It won't prevent all of the sad events but it would curb many of them. The lobbyists against guns use these events as a sounding board to justify their stand point. The problem is not the weapon of choice, it's the crazy that was allowed to roam free undetected and managed to harm other people.
I want to add this: My mother was shot with a hunting riffle by her drunken husband....(Not my natural father) So I certainly have no love for guns. No doubt if the idiot had no rifle he would have clobbered her over the head with a skillet or something. In all honesty...it just wasn't the guns fault, nor was it because the gun was handy by the door... she may not have survived a beating over the head with a blunt object...the problem was the drunken husband.
Here's an article describing the background of this Holmes character. How could anyone know he had these intentions? He doesn't have a criminal background. He was a honored student and well respected employee. There were no known indicators this kid was capable of committing this act. So now you have to ask yourself, if a model student and employee was able to plan 4 - 6 months to commit this act without anyone in his inner circle having a clue, how many others just like him are out there waiting to do the same?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483810
Here's an article describing the background of this Holmes character. How could anyone know he had these intentions? He doesn't have a criminal background. He was a honored student and well respected employee. There were no known indicators this kid was capable of committing this act. So now you have to ask yourself, if a model student and employee was able to plan 4 - 6 months to commit this act without anyone in his inner circle having a clue, how many others just like him are out there waiting to do the same?
http://www.10news.com/news/31290369/detail.html
 

flower

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483808
This incident is a gun issue because of the number and types of weapons he used, and the carnage he created in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. Serial killers like you described did their "carnage" over months and years. Gun proponents have nothing to fear. No further gun legislation will become of this event. Obama hasn't made a peep about this being a gun issue. There's no one in Congress that will touch that issue because of the powerful stranglehold the NRA has on those people. So this will just go down as another unfortunate event of someone who "popped a gasket", and we'll sit around and wait for the next "gasket popper" who'll commit a similar act at a shopping mall, amusement park, church, major tourist attraction, or virtually anywhere you can go. Just like someone stated that after watching Jaws, they no longer feel safe to swim in the ocean. After this event, people will have second thoughts about attending midnight movie premiers
I don't agree people will be afraid of going to the movies because of a lunitic, nor give it a second thought. People will still go to the ammusment parks, church, and the shopping mall...LOL...I watched Jaws, I was afraid of swimming in the ocean when a surfer got attacked by a shark...I no longer swim in the ocean. As I doubt that those in that movie theater on that horrible night will be going to the movies late at night anymore.
I do agree with you however that the NEXT nut is out there...ready to pop that gasket, you could gather every gun in the nation and wish them away to the corn field and the nut will still pop his/her gasket and kill people. It might take that person 20 unhindered years to kill a 100 people, but the death toll from the nut cases will still be there. Please also keep in mind that while it took a few minutes to weld the weapons of choice and kill the people, it also took seconds to stop him...not years and years of creeping around killing the unsuspecting, like the Green river killer, Dahmer, or John Wayne Gacy.
 

jerth6932

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483761
He didn't fire at the police because they didn't shoot at him. If a cop would've been inside that theatre at the time with weapon drawn, and he did shoot the guy, I guarantee you he would've been this kid's main focal point. Again, that's why he had that gear on. He was expecting a violent confrontation. Maybe that's why he simply walked out of the theater and into the parking lot. He wanted some type of twisted Batman gun fight where he was the villian, and Batman would appear to "take him down". When that didn't transpire, he got "bored" and just waited for the inevitable. No one knows what was going through his head at the time. They may never know. This guy could completely shut down and never provide clue as to why he did it.
I will go along with the whole "BATMAN" theory, HE CALLED HIM SELF THE "JOKER". When initial reports came out they were saying he was dressed in a villains outfit.So I am convinced that is what his mentality was.
The ONE CWP/COP in the theater is moot, they were underpowered. My belief as stated before if more then 5% of the USA practicing CWP responsibly, these people would be less and further between. Like stated before, its an idealistic Switzerland scenario.
 

mantisman51

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/maksim_gelman_spree_passenger_additional_1UkAyZttvbWhRXAzGkHutO
Hundreds of millions of knives out there, just waiting for the next whacko to kill en mass. As this man proves, knives can and do kill many, many people. They must be severely restricted, or banned.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/traffic-fatalities-fall-to-lowest-levels-since-1949/
"Last year, traffic fatalities fell to 32,885." Oh the humanity! We must ban or severely restrict those in possession of vehicles. Oh wait, ID's are discriminatory against Hispanics, scratch that one.
Dum dee dumb dee dum dee dumb...never let a crisis go to waste. Gotta push while the the tragedy is so fresh and juicy and ripe for the picking!
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483817
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/maksim_gelman_spree_passenger_additional_1UkAyZttvbWhRXAzGkHutO
Hundreds of millions of knives out there, just waiting for the next whacko to kill en mass. As this man proves, knives can and do kill many, many people. They must be severely restricted, or banned.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/08/traffic-fatalities-fall-to-lowest-levels-since-1949/
"Last year, traffic fatalities fell to 32,885." Oh the humanity! We must ban or severely restrict those in possession of vehicles. Oh wait, ID's are discriminatory against Hispanics, scratch that one.
Dum dee dumb dee dum dee dumb...never let a crisis go to waste. Gotta push while the the tragedy is so fresh and juicy and ripe for the picking!
Gun nut #2 arrives. You can rationalize it all you want. If this kid were swinging a few knives around in that theatre, he may have only harmed a couple before someon hit him on the head with a large object. You're not going to try that staring down the barrel of an AR-15 with a 100-rounddrum arttached to it.
 

mantisman51

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No idea what was posted, but if anyone wants a point of reference, the previous poster admitted illegally modifying an "assault rifle". Something I bet not one firearm owner here has ever done or contemplated.
 

snakeblitz33

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So, anyone else expect metal detectors at theater entrances now?
And, by the way, anyone know if he bought a ticket?
 

beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483808
This incident is a gun issue because of the number and types of weapons he used, and the carnage he created in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. Serial killers like you described did their "carnage" over months and years. Gun proponents have nothing to fear. No further gun legislation will become of this event. Obama hasn't made a peep about this being a gun issue. There's no one in Congress that will touch that issue because of the powerful stranglehold the NRA has on those people. So this will just go down as another unfortunate event of someone who "popped a gasket", and we'll sit around and wait for the next "gasket popper" who'll commit a similar act at a shopping mall, amusement park, church, major tourist attraction, or virtually anywhere you can go. Just like someone stated that after watching Jaws, they no longer feel safe to swim in the ocean. After this event, people will have second thoughts about attending midnight movie premiers
Yes, we are supposed to have a free society where citizens have access to weapons. Is it better to have our freedoms curtailed so that the few wackos out there can't get their hands on weapons? They will still find a way to murder, while law abiding citizens are sitting ducks.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/80#post_3483826
So, anyone else expect metal detectors at theater entrances now?
And, by the way, anyone know if he bought a ticket?
The local theater chain here in San Antonio put armed guards in all their theaters Friday night when it opened here. Will they continue to do so? Probably depends if attendance goes down. If fewer people go to the movies because they fear their safety, I imagine the theater owners will have to compensate and find ways to make their patrons comfortable in knowing they're safe. Of course the cost for this safety will be attributed to an increase in ticket prices. Get ready to pay $20 just to get into a movie.
 

snakeblitz33

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Well, ive been to some theaters that are about $16 a ticket. So that wouldnt be much more off. I can see it getting worse. My wife and i talked and we decided not to go to anymore midnight showings. Heh.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/80#post_3483827
Yes, we are supposed to have a free society where citizens have access to weapons. Is it better to have our freedoms curtailed so that the few wackos out there can't get their hands on weapons? They will still find a way to murder, while law abiding citizens are sitting ducks.
Based on gun proponents, you're a sitting duck anyway. No one wants to curtain yopur right to own guns. There just no logical reason for an average citizen to have in their possession a weapon that was designed strictly to kill, and for military use. You can spin it any way you want. Contend you should have the right to own those weapons for "sport", or just because yu like to rip off a bunch of ammo in 10 minutes. But as long as nut cases like this guy has access to these types of weapons, the more liklihood you will see similar incidences as the one in Aurora occur. Just hope you're not around when it does happen.
 

jerth6932

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/80#post_3483838
Based on gun proponents, you're a sitting duck anyway. No one wants to curtain yopur right to own guns. There just no logical reason for an average citizen to have in their possession a weapon that was designed strictly to kill, and for military use. You can spin it any way you want. Contend you should have the right to own those weapons for "sport", or just because yu like to rip off a bunch of ammo in 10 minutes. But as long as nut cases like this guy has access to these types of weapons, the more liklihood you will see similar incidences as the one in Aurora occur. Just hope you're not around when it does happen.
Did anyone else read this, that was a lady named Jessica Ghawi
that had been involved in another shooting the month before, survived that one but was killed in this one? It is sad, very! I can't help think of Final Destination though...... This is way freaky to me!
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483756
Please. When the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, they never imagined in their wildest dreams that firearms with today's technology and capability would've ever benn built. Their weapons consisted of a blackpowder muzzleloader that took a couple of minutes to load before it could be shot. In their minds, the main purpose of that weapon was to kill live game to feed their families. Of course they may provisions stating that citizens should own weapons for "a well armed militia". They just finished fighting a war against a country wanting to suppress their rights and freedoms. One can only imagine whether these same rights would come to fruition had they'd known what we know now.
And again, you having the capability of owning some weapon is pointless if it came down to another Civil War in this country. The opposition would have the same guns, if not more, and they'd be spraying the same 30-rounds of ammunition that you have. In the end, you'd be dead all the same. But at least you can say you got a few of "them" before you went. The difference beteen me and you is that I'm a pacifist. I live with the notion that rationale humans for the most part aren't stupid enough to go to the extremes of creating a situation where you would need a weapon of that type to protect yourself. If this nation were to denegrate to the point that you needed some arsenal just to walk out your door, go to a movie, go shopping at the mall, or just enjoying life in general, then it's time to find another place to live.
It doesn't matter what they could imagine. Their INTENT was we the people couldn't have our own military used against us. Do you seriously think our military would take up arms against a majority of the American citizens? I am not talking about some fringe group of extremists. I am talking rank and file citizens tired of having their rights trampled.
 

jerth6932

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483808
This incident is a gun issue because of the number and types of weapons he used, and the carnage he created in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. Serial killers like you described did their "carnage" over months and years. Gun proponents have nothing to fear. No further gun legislation will become of this event. Obama hasn't made a peep about this being a gun issue. There's no one in Congress that will touch that issue because of the powerful stranglehold the NRA has on those people. So this will just go down as another unfortunate event of someone who "popped a gasket", and we'll sit around and wait for the next "gasket popper" who'll commit a similar act at a shopping mall, amusement park, church, major tourist attraction, or virtually anywhere you can go. Just like someone stated that after watching Jaws, they no longer feel safe to swim in the ocean. After this event, people will have second thoughts about attending midnight movie premiers
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Originally Posted by Jerth6932
http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/40#post_3483698
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS KID WASN'T A "RESPONSIBLE OWNER" BEFORE SOMETHING SNAPPED? UMMM CAUSE HE KILLED PEOPLE..... JUST A GUESS....
I THINK THE WHOLE RESPONSIBLE OWNER CATEGORY KINDA GOES HAND IN HAND WITH, NOT KILLING PEOPLE...... YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU SNAP..... Another thing, its not really a sane persons thing to buy ballistics helmet/chest/leg/neck/groin protection, ohh not to mention booby trap your apartment with explosives (HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE COULD HE HAVE KILLED IF HE WOULD OF JUST USED A BOMB AND BLEW UP THE THEATER? HE ALLEGEDLY HAD ACCESS TO ONE..... ).....
Why have access to a gun that can carry that many rounds? Well it boils down to "because you can," what do you want as an answer? Criminals can modify their guns so they do other things then intended, so if you don't sell it, they will make it. The day you can say a sane person commits one of these heinous acts.... then ok blame a gun...... I have yet to see a sane person commit any such acts!

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Hey, ban air planes (They are big enough to see coming right?)..... I believe that 4 of those killed more people in seconds....... NOT minutes........then his one 12 people stint (No heartlessness intended here, as it is VERY TRAGIC).......... I didn't see people who pride them selves in terrorism using GUNS......... NOPE..... They use BOMBS and Airplanes.
You guys REALLY ARE MISSING THE POINT of concealed weapons, IF EVERYONE HAD ONE IN THAT THEATER (With reason, don't be stupid with that comment) they would of in ESSENCE BEEN THE POLICE, WHOM ....... ANSWER THIS PLEASE...... DID HE FIRE A SHOT AT THE POLICE? THEY HAD GUNS....... AND HE HAD ALL THE SAME STUFF AS WHEN HE WENT INTO THE THEATER........... AND YOUR ANSWER IS???????????????
I bet that computers play a big part in a lot of bomb detentions around the world....... I bet they put terrorist organizations on the same page......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm
http://angloaustria.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-switzerland-has-lowest-gun-crime.html
I will take a theater full of CWP holders any day, I bet this idiot wouldn't have come close to it.........
Fact is you CAN NOT BLAME what they use, if they don't have a gun, they will use something else........
The most "mass" killings the US soil has seen (other then the civial war or navtive wars) has not come at the hands of a "gun". no it came from 9/11 attack where rougly 2800 people lost their lives to somthing that was BANNED from them to use, an airplane. They got their hands on airplanes! How many minutes did that take?
The next I would like to point out is the Oklahoma Bombing: 168 killed and he used a bomb.... Yep that is banned too. How many minutes did this one take?
So I retract to my original position: banning a gun, would only take it out of responsible owners hands, not criminals. Bombs are banned, but a criminal used it. Airplanes are banned to general population to fly, but criminals used 4 of them. Take away guns, the criminals will still have them! You will punish no one but law abiding citizens.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/80#post_3483846
It doesn't matter what they could imagine. Their INTENT was we the people couldn't have our own military used against us. Do you seriously think our military would take up arms against a majority of the American citizens? I am not talking about some fringe group of extremists. I am talking rank and file citizens tired of having their rights trampled.
We've beat that one to death. Depends on the mentality of your armed services. Do they uphold the oath they took when they joined, or do they follow their heart and logic and side with the people who are opposing the government? Would also depend on whether a majority of Americans agreed with the "cause". What would it take in the minds of ALL Americans that the government would do to force such a revolt? Your idea of "trampled rights" may not be the same as someone else. Just look at the caustic division you have between the Democrat and Republican Parties today. You have a "faction" of Americans that think Obamacare is likened to a Socialist takeover of this country. But you have the other side who see the benefits of that program. So whose right and whose wrong? The only way an "uprising" would succeed would be that at least 80% of ALL Americans would agree with the revolt. I don't ever see that happening.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392376/movie-theater-shooting/60#post_3483808
This incident is a gun issue because of the number and types of weapons he used, and the carnage he created in a matter of 2 or 3 minutes. Serial killers like you described did their "carnage" over months and years. Gun proponents have nothing to fear. No further gun legislation will become of this event. Obama hasn't made a peep about this being a gun issue. There's no one in Congress that will touch that issue because of the powerful stranglehold the NRA has on those people. So this will just go down as another unfortunate event of someone who "popped a gasket", and we'll sit around and wait for the next "gasket popper" who'll commit a similar act at a shopping mall, amusement park, church, major tourist attraction, or virtually anywhere you can go. Just like someone stated that after watching Jaws, they no longer feel safe to swim in the ocean. After this event, people will have second thoughts about attending midnight movie premiers
Wait till he doesn't have another election to worry about, his words, not mine.
Here's a partial list of the dubious crap he's pulled WITH another election to worry about
Dropped the Panther case they had already won a default judgment on for purely political reasons
Refused to defend the defense of marriage act
Ignored a legitimate congressional subpoena in the fast and furious case
Ordered immigration officials to ignore our immigration laws and illegally issuing work permits to certain illegal aliens
Ignoring federal drug laws
Engaged in military action without consulting Congress, let alone getting approval
Do you HONESTLY think 0bama will hesitate to pull the same kind of crap on gun owners if he doesn't have another election to worry about?
 
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