novahobbies
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We have a small zoo over here too, flower. 1 fat cat, 1 shihtzu, 1 jenday conjure, and of course the wetpets.
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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3422382
We have a small zoo over here too, flower. 1 fat cat, 1 shihtzu, 1 jenday conjure, and of course the wetpets.
You have a Jenday, they are so pretty....OMG my Nanday yelled momma so loud we had to get rid of it. The voice was so sharp and it never shut up. I would come home from work and find different shoes all around the cage where the family had thrown stuff at it. The only time it shut up was when the cage was covered.
My grandmother took it and for a long time it only screamed momma when strangers approached the house...then one year my grandmother called and asked that I not get mad but that bird got to where it screamed momma all day long. It hurt her ears and she needed to get rid of it, she gave it to a neighbor.
I told her I understood, that's why I gave it to her. He also thought ears were eatable, so anytime we had him out we had to cover our ears or he would try and rip them off. Otherwise he was very friendly and sweet.
All the bird people in the stores or in books (pre web days) said the conures were known for being very loud. I swore off ever having a conure for the rest of my days. It learned the word from my one year old who used to bounce in the crib and say momma over and over.
Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3422382
We have a small zoo over here too, flower. 1 fat cat, 1 shihtzu, 1 jenday conjure, and of course the wetpets.
You have a Jenday, they are so pretty....OMG my Nanday yelled momma so loud we had to get rid of it. The voice was so sharp and it never shut up. I would come home from work and find different shoes all around the cage where the family had thrown stuff at it. The only time it shut up was when the cage was covered.
My grandmother took it and for a long time it only screamed momma when strangers approached the house...then one year my grandmother called and asked that I not get mad but that bird got to where it screamed momma all day long. It hurt her ears and she needed to get rid of it, she gave it to a neighbor.
I told her I understood, that's why I gave it to her. He also thought ears were eatable, so anytime we had him out we had to cover our ears or he would try and rip them off. Otherwise he was very friendly and sweet.
All the bird people in the stores or in books (pre web days) said the conures were known for being very loud. I swore off ever having a conure for the rest of my days. It learned the word from my one year old who used to bounce in the crib and say momma over and over.
flower
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WIERD water loss.
I topped off my water last night on both tanks. The 56g (seahorse) tank is on life support (canister filter) until I can get to the plumbing in the back for the overflow, it's leaking. This morning the waterline is nearly a half inch below the rim of the tank. Everything is dry and it isn't evaporation because the SG has not changed from 35ppt. I see a little splash from the spray bar and a little trickle of salt line from that, but no way would it lose that kind of water...everything around the tank looks dry. Under the stand looks dry...
The water line is way below the overflow and all that is also dry....The canister and around it is dry...could spray actually sray out and not get everything wet? The carpet felt maybe damp, I assumed it was the night chill and felt cool under my feet, but not wet and that is like 5g of water missing from the tank. I'm not adding any new water in, and I'm going to watch and see if it drops any lower. Any ideas of what else I can look for?
...LOL...That crazy landlord that used to take my fish water does not live anywhere close....but it's the same weird mystery
Time to feed the fish anyway...
On a up note my brown alge is 99% gone this morning...
I topped off my water last night on both tanks. The 56g (seahorse) tank is on life support (canister filter) until I can get to the plumbing in the back for the overflow, it's leaking. This morning the waterline is nearly a half inch below the rim of the tank. Everything is dry and it isn't evaporation because the SG has not changed from 35ppt. I see a little splash from the spray bar and a little trickle of salt line from that, but no way would it lose that kind of water...everything around the tank looks dry. Under the stand looks dry...
The water line is way below the overflow and all that is also dry....The canister and around it is dry...could spray actually sray out and not get everything wet? The carpet felt maybe damp, I assumed it was the night chill and felt cool under my feet, but not wet and that is like 5g of water missing from the tank. I'm not adding any new water in, and I'm going to watch and see if it drops any lower. Any ideas of what else I can look for?
...LOL...That crazy landlord that used to take my fish water does not live anywhere close....but it's the same weird mystery
Time to feed the fish anyway...
On a up note my brown alge is 99% gone this morning...
novahobbies
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Put a piece of masking tape right at the water line and see if it drops from there. Take some bathroom tissue and wad it up, blot hard around the carpet. Water could have soaked through the carpet into the padding, but blotting it with something thin and soft like TP will cause it to wick up into the tissue....you'll know pretty quick if there's water there. Like you said though....you'd think you'd see evidence of a leak somewhere along the seals. Very strange!
novahobbies
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Also (and this may be hard to tell) is the BOTTOM of the overflow dry? It's an internal overflow, yes? The ubiquitous big black column??
flower
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Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424035
Put a piece of masking tape right at the water line and see if it drops from there. Take some bathroom tissue and wad it up, blot hard around the carpet. Water could have soaked through the carpet into the padding, but blotting it with something thin and soft like TP will cause it to wick up into the tissue....you'll know pretty quick if there's water there. Like you said though....you'd think you'd see evidence of a leak somewhere along the seals. Very strange!
No on the tissue thing....
I have vertical spray bars set up on this tank, could they may have slowly back siphoned into the sump? It is way lower than the first drilled hole so maybe I'm imagining it....sump looks a little more full than it did a few days ago when I shut the system down because of the leak in the overflow line.
I just got the clamps in so I'm ready to fix that leak...but I'm worried I have a problem someplace. I will mark the line like you said and and see if it drops...Keep you posted.
And thanks for the help...I know it's early and few folks are around.
Originally Posted by novahobbies http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424035
Put a piece of masking tape right at the water line and see if it drops from there. Take some bathroom tissue and wad it up, blot hard around the carpet. Water could have soaked through the carpet into the padding, but blotting it with something thin and soft like TP will cause it to wick up into the tissue....you'll know pretty quick if there's water there. Like you said though....you'd think you'd see evidence of a leak somewhere along the seals. Very strange!
No on the tissue thing....
I have vertical spray bars set up on this tank, could they may have slowly back siphoned into the sump? It is way lower than the first drilled hole so maybe I'm imagining it....sump looks a little more full than it did a few days ago when I shut the system down because of the leak in the overflow line.
I just got the clamps in so I'm ready to fix that leak...but I'm worried I have a problem someplace. I will mark the line like you said and and see if it drops...Keep you posted.
And thanks for the help...I know it's early and few folks are around.
novahobbies
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Yes, that is a possibility. You say the water level is BELOW the first drilled hole on the sprayer? Theoretically that should have broken the siphon, but I have ONCE seen a siphon continue past an open hole because the hole was small enough (don't remember the size) that the water's surface tension prevented air breaking the line. Mark your sump level while you're at it....
2quills
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Id go with at least a 3/16" drill bit to make the hole. That's what I used on your other spray bars. Pluss I worked the drill around in a circuar motion to ream them out a little bit to make them slightly larger. Might not be a bad idea to use a 1/4" bit for the siphon break hole itself. Also check to make sure it isn't blocked up. Its a good idea to check all your returns on your tanks regularly for any signs of build up or blockages on those holes.
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424110
Id go with at least a 3/16" drill bit to make the hole. That's what I used on your other spray bars. Pluss I worked the drill around in a circuar motion to ream them out a little bit to make them slightly larger. Might not be a bad idea to use a 1/4" bit for the siphon break hole itself. Also check to make sure it isn't blocked up. Its a good idea to check all your returns on your tanks regularly for any signs of build up or blockages on those holes.
Wow, that's a big hole...I lose so much water pressure until it wouldn't do any good to have spray bars....the holes on a spray bar isn't that large...
How much pressure would I lose if I only drilled the first siphon break hole larger?
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424110
Id go with at least a 3/16" drill bit to make the hole. That's what I used on your other spray bars. Pluss I worked the drill around in a circuar motion to ream them out a little bit to make them slightly larger. Might not be a bad idea to use a 1/4" bit for the siphon break hole itself. Also check to make sure it isn't blocked up. Its a good idea to check all your returns on your tanks regularly for any signs of build up or blockages on those holes.
Wow, that's a big hole...I lose so much water pressure until it wouldn't do any good to have spray bars....the holes on a spray bar isn't that large...
How much pressure would I lose if I only drilled the first siphon break hole larger?
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424124
Yeah that's what I mean just make the siphon hole bigger. You won't lose that much pressure as long as its not to big.
I have a question..... the original top hole was never under water...I had misjudged when I attached the new spraybars, and the hole was just above the water line...could that be why it continues to slow siphon? also I turn off and on the pumps on this tank for the sea horses to eat, could that have played a role?
I have never seen anything like this, and it seems to have begun to siphon faster, the water to the sump has been off a week waiting on the clamps that just arrived. I only noticed water loss this morning
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424124
Yeah that's what I mean just make the siphon hole bigger. You won't lose that much pressure as long as its not to big.
I have a question..... the original top hole was never under water...I had misjudged when I attached the new spraybars, and the hole was just above the water line...could that be why it continues to slow siphon? also I turn off and on the pumps on this tank for the sea horses to eat, could that have played a role?
I have never seen anything like this, and it seems to have begun to siphon faster, the water to the sump has been off a week waiting on the clamps that just arrived. I only noticed water loss this morning
2quills
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424195
I have a question..... the original top hole was never under water...I had misjudged when I attached the new spraybars, and the hole was just above the water line...could that be why it continues to slow siphon? also I turn off and on the pumps on this tank for the sea horses to eat, could that have played a role?
I have never seen anything like this, and it seems to have begun to siphon faster, the water to the sump has been off a week waiting on the clamps that just arrived. I only noticed water loss this morning
I've never heard of a return slow siphoning like that before. I understand what Nova was saying in that if the hole is to small surface tension may not let the air get in or if the hole is clogged with something. But if a siphon is going to happen then it should happen in a matter of minutes and not days like this until it's eventually broken or runs out of water to drain. But stranger things have probably happened I suppose.
Do you have any toothpicks around the house? I'd take a tooth pick and stick it in the top siphon break hole since it's already above water. Push it all the way in and if it comes out wet then it's obviously still holding/siphoning water in the pipe. The toothpick will probably break the surface tension and let some air in there if that's what it is. Or just lift the return high enough out of the water to stop it draining and then set it back down. It will stop after that. And if that's the case then I'd make a bigger hole.
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424195
I have a question..... the original top hole was never under water...I had misjudged when I attached the new spraybars, and the hole was just above the water line...could that be why it continues to slow siphon? also I turn off and on the pumps on this tank for the sea horses to eat, could that have played a role?
I have never seen anything like this, and it seems to have begun to siphon faster, the water to the sump has been off a week waiting on the clamps that just arrived. I only noticed water loss this morning
I've never heard of a return slow siphoning like that before. I understand what Nova was saying in that if the hole is to small surface tension may not let the air get in or if the hole is clogged with something. But if a siphon is going to happen then it should happen in a matter of minutes and not days like this until it's eventually broken or runs out of water to drain. But stranger things have probably happened I suppose.
Do you have any toothpicks around the house? I'd take a tooth pick and stick it in the top siphon break hole since it's already above water. Push it all the way in and if it comes out wet then it's obviously still holding/siphoning water in the pipe. The toothpick will probably break the surface tension and let some air in there if that's what it is. Or just lift the return high enough out of the water to stop it draining and then set it back down. It will stop after that. And if that's the case then I'd make a bigger hole.
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424208
I've never heard of a return slow siphoning like that before. I understand what Nova was saying in that if the hole is to small surface tension may not let the air get in or if the hole is clogged with something. But if a siphon is going to happen then it should happen in a matter of minutes and not days like this until it's eventually broken or runs out of water to drain. But stranger things have probably happened I suppose.
Do you have any toothpicks around the house? I'd take a tooth pick and stick it in the top siphon break hole since it's already above water. Push it all the way in and if it comes out wet then it's obviously still holding/siphoning water in the pipe. The toothpick will probably break the surface tension and let some air in there if that's what it is. Or just lift the return high enough out of the water to stop it draining and then set it back down. It will stop after that. And if that's the case then I'd make a bigger hole.
I removed the pipes altogether, and it stopped siphoning..wierd as it was to do it like that anyway. I added some length to the pipe so I won't have the splash I had with them not being underwater to start with. Now it is back on line and I'm watching the whole sump system for leaks...I do believe I got it this time. I have some things to do so I will get back latter...oh and I mad the top hole larger 11/16 is what the drill bit said. It made a good sized hole for a spray bar.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424208
I've never heard of a return slow siphoning like that before. I understand what Nova was saying in that if the hole is to small surface tension may not let the air get in or if the hole is clogged with something. But if a siphon is going to happen then it should happen in a matter of minutes and not days like this until it's eventually broken or runs out of water to drain. But stranger things have probably happened I suppose.
Do you have any toothpicks around the house? I'd take a tooth pick and stick it in the top siphon break hole since it's already above water. Push it all the way in and if it comes out wet then it's obviously still holding/siphoning water in the pipe. The toothpick will probably break the surface tension and let some air in there if that's what it is. Or just lift the return high enough out of the water to stop it draining and then set it back down. It will stop after that. And if that's the case then I'd make a bigger hole.
I removed the pipes altogether, and it stopped siphoning..wierd as it was to do it like that anyway. I added some length to the pipe so I won't have the splash I had with them not being underwater to start with. Now it is back on line and I'm watching the whole sump system for leaks...I do believe I got it this time. I have some things to do so I will get back latter...oh and I mad the top hole larger 11/16 is what the drill bit said. It made a good sized hole for a spray bar.
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424252
11/16"??? haha...that's nearly a 3/4" hole. That should stop some siphonage for sure.
LOL...well my eyes are bad....the numbers are 5/32 then the bit I used 11/64 and next to it is 3/16, so I mixed the numbers up. It did make a much larger hole than the 7/64 I used originally. It did lower my water pressure from the spray bar (small price to pay) I may get a little power head to make sure I have enough flow. Seahorses are so messy that cyano can become a problem too easy.
The sump is up and running, it is making a loud gurggle sound from the hose in the refugium section...any idea what I might do to remedy that? I have only live rock in there and seeded it with amphipods. I just put the hose down in there and it is bubbling up. I could lower the flow (I have a valve) but doesn't that create more pressure?
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424252
11/16"??? haha...that's nearly a 3/4" hole. That should stop some siphonage for sure.
LOL...well my eyes are bad....the numbers are 5/32 then the bit I used 11/64 and next to it is 3/16, so I mixed the numbers up. It did make a much larger hole than the 7/64 I used originally. It did lower my water pressure from the spray bar (small price to pay) I may get a little power head to make sure I have enough flow. Seahorses are so messy that cyano can become a problem too easy.
The sump is up and running, it is making a loud gurggle sound from the hose in the refugium section...any idea what I might do to remedy that? I have only live rock in there and seeded it with amphipods. I just put the hose down in there and it is bubbling up. I could lower the flow (I have a valve) but doesn't that create more pressure?
2quills
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It wouldn't really create more pressure since its a drain line and there's really not any pessure on drain lines. Or at least not enough worth mentioning. You can try and close the valve a bit. Sounds like trapped air in the pipe escaping. Is the drainline at the overflow vented?
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424301
It wouldn't really create more pressure since its a drain line and there's really not any pessure on drain lines. Or at least not enough worth mentioning. You can try and close the valve a bit. Sounds like trapped air in the pipe escaping. Is the drainline at the overflow vented?
Scratching my head...I know what an overflow is, and I know what vented is, but together I have no idea what you are asking me. Remember this is a CPR with the lifter pump. The overflow has a filter just before it goes down the hose into the sump. There is air in the hose because niether hose is full as it drains down, it trickles to one said on both hoses. The hose to the skimmer side doesn't make noise just the one to the refugium chamber. If I can use the valve we installed without making the hose jump out of the chamber (my concern) Then I will try that.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424301
It wouldn't really create more pressure since its a drain line and there's really not any pessure on drain lines. Or at least not enough worth mentioning. You can try and close the valve a bit. Sounds like trapped air in the pipe escaping. Is the drainline at the overflow vented?
Scratching my head...I know what an overflow is, and I know what vented is, but together I have no idea what you are asking me. Remember this is a CPR with the lifter pump. The overflow has a filter just before it goes down the hose into the sump. There is air in the hose because niether hose is full as it drains down, it trickles to one said on both hoses. The hose to the skimmer side doesn't make noise just the one to the refugium chamber. If I can use the valve we installed without making the hose jump out of the chamber (my concern) Then I will try that.
flower
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424313
Was refering to the little vent tubes that stick into the bulkheads on the back of the overflow. Sometimes they need to be adjusted up or down to help silence the sound. Id also try closing the valve just a little bit if the vent tubes aren't helping.
Oh...then I do I have a vent tube, but that isn't what is making the gurggling noise...it is actually in the refugium section of the sump..the water is flowing fast and it shouldn't for a fuge, but the water is bubbling up and over the rocks making it loud. I have all the pumps off right now letting the SHs eat...when I turn them back on I will mess with the flow and the vent tube and see what if messing with them will make a difference.
I was afraid to close the valve leading to the fuge because I know what happens to a garden hose if you put your finger over the opening...it really increases the pressure. But say over a drian it does not have that effect...Correct?
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/387668/new-56g-tall-tank/180#post_3424313
Was refering to the little vent tubes that stick into the bulkheads on the back of the overflow. Sometimes they need to be adjusted up or down to help silence the sound. Id also try closing the valve just a little bit if the vent tubes aren't helping.
Oh...then I do I have a vent tube, but that isn't what is making the gurggling noise...it is actually in the refugium section of the sump..the water is flowing fast and it shouldn't for a fuge, but the water is bubbling up and over the rocks making it loud. I have all the pumps off right now letting the SHs eat...when I turn them back on I will mess with the flow and the vent tube and see what if messing with them will make a difference.
I was afraid to close the valve leading to the fuge because I know what happens to a garden hose if you put your finger over the opening...it really increases the pressure. But say over a drian it does not have that effect...Correct?