1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2500786
Good one
Signing off
Looking forward to continuing later.
http:///forum/post/2500786
Good one
Signing off
Looking forward to continuing later.
Obama supporters. I have one question
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reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2500780
Keating 5, Savings and loan scandal connection
...
Seems we have sunk to seeing who's less criminal. I guess it's better than the R-wing only taking shots. I have sunk to the level of the R-wing
Dangit, I am gong to have to take some time off and get to work....
You mean the episode where the Democrat's own attorney said John McCain and John Glenn did nothing wrong and should have not been part of the Senate investigation?
"At the completion of my investigation, I [Robert Bennet, special counsel to the Keating Five Investigation] filed my report with the committee. I recommended that no further action be taken against Senators McCain and Glenn principally because once they learned that there was a criminal referral, they stopped aggressively doing Keating's bidding with the regulators. However, I also recommended that the committee proceed with ethics charges against Senators Cranston, DeConcini, and Reigle and hold a hearing to look into their conduct. I believed that the evidence showed clearly that these three had violated Senate Rules and should be held accountable. My recommendation that the only Republican in the group, John McCain, be exonerated caused a big political problem, but my recommendations were based on evidence and not politics. Perhaps those who knew me to be a Democrat thought I would act differently, but they did not know me very well. ...
This was perhaps the first time the recommendation of a special counsel not to charge a senator was rejected. This was pure politics as the Democrats on the committee did not want to cut McCain loose so that only Democrats would remain in the proceedings. If Senator McCain was not going to be cut loose, in retaliation the Republicans were going to keep Senator Glenn in the proceedings. McCain was the victim of politics, and poor Glenn, he was held captive to the decision on McCain. So much for nonpartisanship."
http:///forum/post/2500780
Keating 5, Savings and loan scandal connection
Seems we have sunk to seeing who's less criminal. I guess it's better than the R-wing only taking shots. I have sunk to the level of the R-wing
Dangit, I am gong to have to take some time off and get to work....
You mean the episode where the Democrat's own attorney said John McCain and John Glenn did nothing wrong and should have not been part of the Senate investigation?
"At the completion of my investigation, I [Robert Bennet, special counsel to the Keating Five Investigation] filed my report with the committee. I recommended that no further action be taken against Senators McCain and Glenn principally because once they learned that there was a criminal referral, they stopped aggressively doing Keating's bidding with the regulators. However, I also recommended that the committee proceed with ethics charges against Senators Cranston, DeConcini, and Reigle and hold a hearing to look into their conduct. I believed that the evidence showed clearly that these three had violated Senate Rules and should be held accountable. My recommendation that the only Republican in the group, John McCain, be exonerated caused a big political problem, but my recommendations were based on evidence and not politics. Perhaps those who knew me to be a Democrat thought I would act differently, but they did not know me very well. ...
This was perhaps the first time the recommendation of a special counsel not to charge a senator was rejected. This was pure politics as the Democrats on the committee did not want to cut McCain loose so that only Democrats would remain in the proceedings. If Senator McCain was not going to be cut loose, in retaliation the Republicans were going to keep Senator Glenn in the proceedings. McCain was the victim of politics, and poor Glenn, he was held captive to the decision on McCain. So much for nonpartisanship."
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2500786
Good one
Signing off
This thread was about obama, not really about McCain, I thought, I have some serious problems with all three candidates. We've already had a giant thread about the republican candidates. and With Rylan begging for an issues based argument then tucking his tale, when we "discuss the issues." Then him misrepresenting obama's platform only adds fuel to the fire.
http:///forum/post/2500786
Good one
Signing off
This thread was about obama, not really about McCain, I thought, I have some serious problems with all three candidates. We've already had a giant thread about the republican candidates. and With Rylan begging for an issues based argument then tucking his tale, when we "discuss the issues." Then him misrepresenting obama's platform only adds fuel to the fire.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2500782
Was Obamas drug use limited to his youth?
This story seems better sourced than the Times hit piece on McCain
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Link removed as the topic is inappropriate for the kids. 1Journeyman
OK Sanitized edit.
WASHINGTON – The electrifying presidential campaign of Barack Obama faces a new challenge – a Minnesota man who claims he took cocaine in 1999 with the then-Illinois legislator.
When his story was ignored by the news media, Larry Sinclair made his case last month in a YouTube video, which has now been viewed more than a quarter-million times. And when it was still ignored by the media, Sinclair filed a suit in Minnesota District Court, alleging threats and intimidation by Obama's staff.
Sinclair, who says he is willing to submit to a polygraph test to validate his claims, will now get his chance – thanks to a website offering $10,000 for the right to record it and $100,000 to Sinclair if he passes.
"My motivation for making this public is my desire for a presidential candidate to be honest," Sinclair told WND by telephone.
Sinclair, who lives in Duluth claims he personally used illegal drugs in November 1999" with the man who is now the leading Democratic presidential candidate. He claims the activity took place in the back of Sinclair's limousine and occurred again, later, in his hotel. Sinclair also says he personally no longer uses drugs.
In his lawsuit, filed last week, he charges his civil rights have been violated by Obama and the Democratic Party. Named as defendants in the case are the presidential candidate, David Axelrod of AKP Message and Media in Chicago and the Democratic National Committee.
Sinclair charges Obama smoked crack cocaine in the limo while Sinclair snorted powdered cocaine provided by the legislator. He says the two met in an upscale Chicago lounge before leaving in Sinclair's limousine where the drug use took place.
Sinclair says he is a registered Democrat but has never voted for any candidate. He is 46 and claims to be physically disabled.
Calls placed to the Obama campaign were not returned.
reefraff
Active Member
I know we have already covered this issue but the following article I think really drives the point home
How many Americans would vote for a presidential candidate who was the member of a church that professed the following credo?
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
The question is rhetorical, of course. The answer is that such a candidate wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected dog catcher (apologies to America’s animal rescue and public safety personnel) let alone President, because that candidate would be instantly branded a racist, among the most vile and frightening of white supremacists.
And those holding the branding irons would be 100% right.
Yet, in the “About” section of the U.S. Senate website for Barack Obama, Democratic senator from Illinois and contender for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States, it states that Obama and his family “live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.”
So…?
Well, to say that the Trinity United Church of Christ (http://www.tucc.org) is afrocentric in the extreme would be a gross understatement. It’s not simply afrocentric, it’s African-centric. In fact, one could argue that this organization worships things African to a far greater degree than they do Christ, and gives the impression of being a separatist “church” in the same vein as do certain supremacist “white brethren” churches – or even Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam.
Shocking? An overstatement? An overreaction?
One can see for oneself on the Trinity United Church website, which is replete with confirmation of what I present here. What follows is an excerpt from their Mission Statement:
“We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
“Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.”
Sound familiar? Of course it is, since it’s identical to the 12-point list at the beginning of this column – the one from the theoretical white supremacist candidate’s church; the only difference is the substitution of the word “Black” for “White.”
Trinity United Church of Christ’s congregation also claims to hold to a “10-point Vision” which is similarly afrocentric, or if you will, separatist. Again, like the Nation of Islam, a white separatist church or the Branch Davidians, Trinity United more resembles a cult than a church. Only this one has as one of its most prominent members a serious contender for the White House.
And George W. Bush’s born-again Christian status scares people?
Continued
How many Americans would vote for a presidential candidate who was the member of a church that professed the following credo?
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the White Community
3. Commitment to the White Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.
The question is rhetorical, of course. The answer is that such a candidate wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected dog catcher (apologies to America’s animal rescue and public safety personnel) let alone President, because that candidate would be instantly branded a racist, among the most vile and frightening of white supremacists.
And those holding the branding irons would be 100% right.
Yet, in the “About” section of the U.S. Senate website for Barack Obama, Democratic senator from Illinois and contender for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States, it states that Obama and his family “live on Chicago's South Side where they attend Trinity United Church of Christ.”
So…?
Well, to say that the Trinity United Church of Christ (http://www.tucc.org) is afrocentric in the extreme would be a gross understatement. It’s not simply afrocentric, it’s African-centric. In fact, one could argue that this organization worships things African to a far greater degree than they do Christ, and gives the impression of being a separatist “church” in the same vein as do certain supremacist “white brethren” churches – or even Louis Farrakhan’s Nation of Islam.
Shocking? An overstatement? An overreaction?
One can see for oneself on the Trinity United Church website, which is replete with confirmation of what I present here. What follows is an excerpt from their Mission Statement:
“We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
“Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.”
Sound familiar? Of course it is, since it’s identical to the 12-point list at the beginning of this column – the one from the theoretical white supremacist candidate’s church; the only difference is the substitution of the word “Black” for “White.”
Trinity United Church of Christ’s congregation also claims to hold to a “10-point Vision” which is similarly afrocentric, or if you will, separatist. Again, like the Nation of Islam, a white separatist church or the Branch Davidians, Trinity United more resembles a cult than a church. Only this one has as one of its most prominent members a serious contender for the White House.
And George W. Bush’s born-again Christian status scares people?
Continued
reefraff
Active Member
Part II
These revelations, of course shed all the light we need on Obama’s inscrutability; since before he announced his candidacy, both the Right and Left have commented on the lack of information vis-à-vis just who Barack Obama is and what he’s about.
From The Chicago Tribune, February 06, 2007, Column: Against Middleclassness? by Rich Lowry. “Vallmer Jordan, a church member who helped draft the precepts, said they were designed to empower the black community and counter a value system imposed by whites. ‘The big question mark was racism,’ he said. ‘Black disempowerment was an integral part of that historical value system. It became increasingly apparent to me that we black people had not developed our own value system . . . to help us overcome all we knew we had to battle.’”
“A value system imposed by whites…” Is Jordan speaking of the value system that kept families together and promoted morality, industry and integrity, or the one imposed by liberal dependency pimps since the Civil Rights Movement?
True enough that many blacks did abandon values; again, this was due to the corruption of the black clergy by white socialists and their black foremen. Trinity United seems to have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Gravitation toward an Africanized “year-round Kwanzaa”-based pseudo-Christianity seems less of a solution than returning to the moral and social conservatism Blacks held prior to the aforementioned socialists gaining their stranglehold in the black community.
So is Obama seeking to be our first black president, or our first stealth black nationalist president? You see, were he a run-of-the-mill insincere Christian of convenience like Bill Clinton, Obama might belong to a run-of-the-mill, lukewarm, large nondescript church. But he doesn’t. He belongs to a church which is (as I indicated before) blatantly afrocentric and even suggests the supremacy of Africa’s descendants in America.
Granted that the Left will have no qualms about this highly questionable affiliation, but what about all of the American swing voters to whom Obama has built broad appeal by presenting himself as sort of a generic, open-minded moderate Democrat (as Bill Clinton also did, by the way)? Are they going to go for a candidate whose heart is actually closer to that of a refined Black Panther?
Trinity United clearly embraces things African above things American. The content of their website makes this undeniably clear. Aside from this tack being divisive, separatist and calls into question its adherents’ identification as Americans, if they’re looking for values, they – and Obama – would be better served by looking to modern political conservatives and traditional Christianity than retrograde African precepts and the Democrat Party.
Obama’s affiliation with this church, if I must call it that, should be as alarming to the American voter as a Republican candidate for president belonging to the Aryan Brethren Church of Christ. Any argument against this assertion is politically-correct delusion, reverse discrimination and a hypocrisy – a very dangerous one.
These revelations, of course shed all the light we need on Obama’s inscrutability; since before he announced his candidacy, both the Right and Left have commented on the lack of information vis-à-vis just who Barack Obama is and what he’s about.
From The Chicago Tribune, February 06, 2007, Column: Against Middleclassness? by Rich Lowry. “Vallmer Jordan, a church member who helped draft the precepts, said they were designed to empower the black community and counter a value system imposed by whites. ‘The big question mark was racism,’ he said. ‘Black disempowerment was an integral part of that historical value system. It became increasingly apparent to me that we black people had not developed our own value system . . . to help us overcome all we knew we had to battle.’”
“A value system imposed by whites…” Is Jordan speaking of the value system that kept families together and promoted morality, industry and integrity, or the one imposed by liberal dependency pimps since the Civil Rights Movement?
True enough that many blacks did abandon values; again, this was due to the corruption of the black clergy by white socialists and their black foremen. Trinity United seems to have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. Gravitation toward an Africanized “year-round Kwanzaa”-based pseudo-Christianity seems less of a solution than returning to the moral and social conservatism Blacks held prior to the aforementioned socialists gaining their stranglehold in the black community.
So is Obama seeking to be our first black president, or our first stealth black nationalist president? You see, were he a run-of-the-mill insincere Christian of convenience like Bill Clinton, Obama might belong to a run-of-the-mill, lukewarm, large nondescript church. But he doesn’t. He belongs to a church which is (as I indicated before) blatantly afrocentric and even suggests the supremacy of Africa’s descendants in America.
Granted that the Left will have no qualms about this highly questionable affiliation, but what about all of the American swing voters to whom Obama has built broad appeal by presenting himself as sort of a generic, open-minded moderate Democrat (as Bill Clinton also did, by the way)? Are they going to go for a candidate whose heart is actually closer to that of a refined Black Panther?
Trinity United clearly embraces things African above things American. The content of their website makes this undeniably clear. Aside from this tack being divisive, separatist and calls into question its adherents’ identification as Americans, if they’re looking for values, they – and Obama – would be better served by looking to modern political conservatives and traditional Christianity than retrograde African precepts and the Democrat Party.
Obama’s affiliation with this church, if I must call it that, should be as alarming to the American voter as a Republican candidate for president belonging to the Aryan Brethren Church of Christ. Any argument against this assertion is politically-correct delusion, reverse discrimination and a hypocrisy – a very dangerous one.
groupergenius
Active Member
It finally made it to youtube.
You have got to check this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Z9XBGHxQ
You have got to check this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Z9XBGHxQ
oscardeuce
Active Member
"A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY. "
From the church's web site.
More socialism.
Here's what he thinks about life:
"I think professionally, the biggest mistake that I made was when I first arrived in the Senate. There was debate about Terri Schiavo and a lot of us, including me, left the Senate with a bill that allowed Congress to intrude where it shouldn't."
Shouldn't we rate a leader based on how he protects the weakest of us?
From the church's web site.
More socialism.
Here's what he thinks about life:
"I think professionally, the biggest mistake that I made was when I first arrived in the Senate. There was debate about Terri Schiavo and a lot of us, including me, left the Senate with a bill that allowed Congress to intrude where it shouldn't."
Shouldn't we rate a leader based on how he protects the weakest of us?
zman1
Active Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2500901
It finally made it to youtube.
You have got to check this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Z9XBGHxQ
That was good....
This is also entertaining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg
http:///forum/post/2500901
It finally made it to youtube.
You have got to check this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Z9XBGHxQ
That was good....
This is also entertaining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg
masta man
Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2478610
I reject this completely. I believe America can defeat Al Qaeda. If we don't we'll all be bowing to Meccas 5 times a day...
I'm not intimidated by Obama. I'm just saddend that many of his supporters don't have a clue what he stands for or how detrimental he would be for our Nation and the rest of the Free World.
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
http:///forum/post/2478610
I reject this completely. I believe America can defeat Al Qaeda. If we don't we'll all be bowing to Meccas 5 times a day...
I'm not intimidated by Obama. I'm just saddend that many of his supporters don't have a clue what he stands for or how detrimental he would be for our Nation and the rest of the Free World.
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
reefraff
Active Member
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Masta Man
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
That is the goal of Radical Islamists... study what the Taliban imposed on the people of Afghanistan, and they were fellow Muslims...
Obama will be detrimental to our country in a variety of ways, all of them covered on the various threads already:
*Will abandon our allies in Iraq, emboldening the enemy, surrender the battlefield, weakening our allies faith in us for future military operations, and allow the extremists to slaughter thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people (think Cambodia after we left Vietnam).
*Protectionism will weaken our economy
*Universal Health Care will destroy our health care system
*Taxes on Corporations for making too much in profits (an idiodic idea in itself) will drive companies out of the USA and lead to higher unemployment
*Cancelling the Bush Tax Cuts will lower Government revenues (that sounds like a contradiction, but look at the numbers)
*National Debt will go higher as he gives away more and more
*Illegal immigration will get worse
*Will appoint Activist judges who will further legislate from the bench; Continuing to weaken our economy
And more...
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
That is the goal of Radical Islamists... study what the Taliban imposed on the people of Afghanistan, and they were fellow Muslims...
Obama will be detrimental to our country in a variety of ways, all of them covered on the various threads already:
*Will abandon our allies in Iraq, emboldening the enemy, surrender the battlefield, weakening our allies faith in us for future military operations, and allow the extremists to slaughter thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people (think Cambodia after we left Vietnam).
*Protectionism will weaken our economy
*Universal Health Care will destroy our health care system
*Taxes on Corporations for making too much in profits (an idiodic idea in itself) will drive companies out of the USA and lead to higher unemployment
*Cancelling the Bush Tax Cuts will lower Government revenues (that sounds like a contradiction, but look at the numbers)
*National Debt will go higher as he gives away more and more
*Illegal immigration will get worse
*Will appoint Activist judges who will further legislate from the bench; Continuing to weaken our economy
And more...
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Masta Man
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
Read the thread.....you decide..and I also encourage you to do your own research regarding Obama. If you feel he is the best candidate then support him.
There is plenty information out there both for and against Barry and all the other leading candidates.
Or, you can simply hang your hat on the Change and Hope mantra and go with Obama.
CHANGE FOR CONVENIENCE
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
How exactly is Obama detrimental to our nation?
Read the thread.....you decide..and I also encourage you to do your own research regarding Obama. If you feel he is the best candidate then support him.
There is plenty information out there both for and against Barry and all the other leading candidates.
Or, you can simply hang your hat on the Change and Hope mantra and go with Obama.
CHANGE FOR CONVENIENCE
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2501762
1journeyman,
You should just add this list to your signature line. It will save the cut and paste on the posts
Nah, though the thought did cross my mind...
I keep my political opinions in the Aquarium. That way I can give friendly and unbiased advice without offending anyone on the rest of the forums. Lot's of people visit this site but never spend any time in here.
LOL, plus I have no idea to the viewpoints of Admin or all of the other Mods. I'd hate to start a political debate in the Shark Tank.
http:///forum/post/2501762
1journeyman,
You should just add this list to your signature line. It will save the cut and paste on the posts
Nah, though the thought did cross my mind...
I keep my political opinions in the Aquarium. That way I can give friendly and unbiased advice without offending anyone on the rest of the forums. Lot's of people visit this site but never spend any time in here.
LOL, plus I have no idea to the viewpoints of Admin or all of the other Mods. I'd hate to start a political debate in the Shark Tank.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Masta Man
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
Should Hillary or Barry be our president...once they surrender in Iraq the terrorists will follow the troops home. (Read this thread where quotes are provided from terrorist leaders). They pledge to defeat us here on US soil after they defeat us in Iraq and we cut and run. That is when you will be bowing if you still have your head.
I'd prefer to take them out before they get here. Call me crazy I guess.
http:///forum/post/2501538
Who exactly can make Americans conform to one religion?
Should Hillary or Barry be our president...once they surrender in Iraq the terrorists will follow the troops home. (Read this thread where quotes are provided from terrorist leaders). They pledge to defeat us here on US soil after they defeat us in Iraq and we cut and run. That is when you will be bowing if you still have your head.
I'd prefer to take them out before they get here. Call me crazy I guess.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500545
Wans't there only one name on the ballot in Florida and Michigan? I think a recount would be unfair for a variety of different reasons... first because they broke party rules, and second because Obama and the other candidates didn't do any campaigning in those states. Lastly, this is a last ditch effort for Clinton, because she know her campaign is in trouble. Based on party rules.. I think this would cause a major discord within the party.
I agree with you on this position. THe clintons are capable of just about anything in order to regain the power they so desire.
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show.
http:///forum/post/2500545
Wans't there only one name on the ballot in Florida and Michigan? I think a recount would be unfair for a variety of different reasons... first because they broke party rules, and second because Obama and the other candidates didn't do any campaigning in those states. Lastly, this is a last ditch effort for Clinton, because she know her campaign is in trouble. Based on party rules.. I think this would cause a major discord within the party.
I agree with you on this position. THe clintons are capable of just about anything in order to regain the power they so desire.
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show.
oscardeuce
Active Member
Florida was a 3 way race: Clinton, Obama, Edwards.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-261.html
Michigan was a one pony show: Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-238.html
Although the one pony only got about 55% of the vote.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-261.html
Michigan was a one pony show: Clinton.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imary-238.html
Although the one pony only got about 55% of the vote.
fish master
Member
i dont know if anyone has been watching the news,but that chicago business man that is in trouble right now has close ties with illinois govenor and also obama.it is only a matter of time before he rolls over on the both of them
stdreb27
Active Member
Now this is what I call reaching out to the black electorate.
Clinton campaign finance committee member, former vice presidential candidate, and former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, D-NY, told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Ca., that, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
Clinton campaign finance committee member, former vice presidential candidate, and former Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, D-NY, told the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Ca., that, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."