Obama supporters. I have one question

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2519415
Obama goes after the young crowd because he knows they aren't as well informed as most adults, thus they will buy his load of crap.
-Steve for Change
there is only so much one can take you know.
as Rush says Ignorance is the most expensive thing we pay for in america...
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by juniorzc88
http:///forum/post/2519367
ok... first off obama is the one who is most about getting us out of the recession... (spelling) so if u want hillary good luck but obama goes for the younger crowd like myself and this whole war was bs.... we have found a whole lot of warheads ready to attack america havnt we....
Which war? Do you differentiate between the Iraq War and the War on Terror?
Assuming you strictly mean Iraq.... Sadly, the fact you state "we have found a whole lot of warheads ready to attack america (sic) havnt we..." implies either you are uninformed as to why we went into Iraq or you are not actually posting to promote a discussion.
 

stdreb27

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The "reverend" left the obama campain. What makes me laugh about the whole deal is that Obama is half white. This is what is scary in my mind.
Obama spoke warmly of Wright, who retired last month as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. Wright is a man “I’ve known for 17 years, [who] helped bring me to Jesus, helped bring me to church,” he said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881/
I wonder how much of this teaching Obama has absorbed.
“No, no, no, not God bless America — God ---- America!”
The man who brought obama to jesus, married them, baptised his kids, The Reverend Wright.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by juniorzc88
http:///forum/post/2519367
ok... first off obama is the one who is most about getting us out of the recession... (spelling) so if u want hillary good luck but obama goes for the younger crowd like myself and this whole war was bs.... we have found a whole lot of warheads ready to attack america havnt we....

So...
9/11 was BS?
A Tax and spend candidate will help how?
It has been proven time and time again loswering rates on taxes increases revenue. JFK even knew that.
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2519192
OK, I wasn't going to post here anymore, but since I have your attention at the moment, I want to tell you the coolest thing that happened to me when I turned on the computer this morning!
I got published again! Suzy Applegarth, lowly MO breeder living in SLC got paid for writing in a online Fish Mag!
You guys can't actually see me right now, but imagine a chick doing the I'moncloudnine dance right now! I am going to be walking bad all bad, strutting everywhere spending my tax stimulus today!
I do need to start planning for a speaking tour now. I imagine I'll be contacted to give a talk at MACNA and IMAC, so I'd better start thinking of a topic.....
Congrats, I too was published in Annals of Emergency Medicine for my research.
 

stdreb27

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oscardeuce;2519568 said:
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2519506
. What makes me laugh about the whole deal is that Obama is half white.
[IQUOTE]
That matters not in group politics, or cultural Marxism.
? I'm not getting the connection.
But I wonder if obama knows his pastor is talking about his momma that way.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2519192
OK, I wasn't going to post here anymore, but since I have your attention at the moment, I want to tell you the coolest thing that happened to me when I turned on the computer this morning!
I got published again! Suzy Applegarth, lowly MO breeder living in SLC got paid for writing in a online Fish Mag!
You guys can't actually see me right now, but imagine a chick doing the I'moncloudnine dance right now! I am going to be walking bad all bad, strutting everywhere spending my tax stimulus today!
I do need to start planning for a speaking tour now. I imagine I'll be contacted to give a talk at MACNA and IMAC, so I'd better start thinking of a topic.....
Perhaps you should start a sperate thread on the subject matter.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by juniorzc88
http:///forum/post/2519367
ok... first off obama is the one who is most about getting us out of the recession... (spelling) so if u want hillary good luck but obama goes for the younger crowd like myself and this whole war was bs.... we have found a whole lot of warheads ready to attack america havnt we....
How? What economic experience does he have? What business has he owned or run? WHen was he governor or mayor of a state or city? What bipartisan bills has he written as a US senator that had a direct impact on the ecomomy? What KEY ISSUE bipartisan bill has he written as a US Senator and passed? What part of his plan will stimulate the economy and how?
BS war...which one? No weapons found?.....I suggest you do some research. Try a google on Saddams's secret tapes recently discovered.
THe only thing I can see Obama is "most about"...universal/socialized medicine, higher taxes, surrendering to the terrorists, supporting racism though his membership to a hater church.
I suggest you look past the Obama tap dance show.
Hillary? No thanks
CHANGE YOU CAN DANCE TOO
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2517703
In the general election, who wins is who gets the middle guys. And, who fires up their base the best. The Dema are registering in record numbers. You guys better come up with something better than his
church stuff.
Try Rezko and Ayers for starters.
Obama will only get about 40% of the vote once his far left postions become known. You can't get folks in the middle or independents if you stand far left from center.
Rev Al will fire up his base if the super delegates hand it over to Hillary...he's already gone on record.

I'm gonna sit back an enjoy the show...should make for interesting TV for a change...

The Clinton machine will do WHATEVER it takes to get the super delagates on their side.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2518489
Interesting term "McCainBush" coming from the person who got her drawers in such a knot over the "disrespect" we were showing a US Senator by making up names for Obama

Respecting Obama? What respect did he give in supporting of hate and racism by remianing a member of his "church"?
He should drop from the race and from the US Senate.
Reading quotes is one thing...but seeing the hatred in action is another.
Obama is a disgrace to the US Senate and this country. He has earned zero respect from me.
 

reefraff

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Amazing how things like those tapes or the party affiliation of any Democrat that gets into legal trouble (read the majority of the spitzer stories)never makes it into the headlines. One of the most profound stories of the whole Iraq debate is the existance of their nuclear program in the 90's and how despite 4 years of weapons inspections the UN had no clue about it until Hussein's son in law defected and revealed it.
Anything that gets in the way of the "Bush lied us into war" mantra is either downplayed or ignored all together. Think about Hillary Clinton's vote for war with Iraq. Do you honestly believe she didn't talk with Bill before that vote? Do you think he would have counciled her to make that vote if he had an serious doubt about Iraq's WMD? If the press were truley interested in doing their job when she says Bush lied us into war then they would ask her if Bill lied about the WMD's in 98 and 99 . They should ask her what Bills advice to her was when it came time to cast a vote. It is inconceivable that she didn't discuss it with him.
Now it has been disclosed that Rezko raised a lot more money for Obama than previously admitted. Wonder if the press will look into the reason Obama decided to come clean on that. I suspect there is going to be some information come out in the trial about it.
 

scubadoo

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Found this interesting quote form Obama's book...sounds like Wright certainly has had a significant inpact on his views.....Obama's OWN quoting of Wright from his book....but he never knew

On Page 293 of "Dreams for My Father," Obama recounts Wright's "The Audacity of Hope" sermon.
Obama quotes this passage:
"It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!"
 

reefraff

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Those are truely some unifying and inspirational words there let me tell ya

If Obama is elected I just HOPE I'll get to keep a little CHANGE after he raises my taxes.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2520022
Those are truely some unifying and inspirational words there let me tell ya

If Obama is elected I just HOPE I'll get to keep a little CHANGE after he raises my taxes.
Quotes from his minister are nothing new over the past year plus. FOr Obama to come out and say he did not hear and/or did not know is amazing. Even more amazing is that some folks believe him.
THe quote from his book indicates he knows his "words".
CHANGE YOU CAN QUOTE
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2520001
Now it has been disclosed that Rezko raised a lot more money for Obama than previously admitted. Wonder if the press will look into the reason Obama decided to come clean on that. I suspect there is going to be some information come out in the trial about it.
Yep...Obama the liar now admits Rezko donated 250K...significantly more then he previously stated I believe.
Obama may find himself having to defend his relationship with Rezko as info could come out in the trial regarding their relationship. . Perhaps this will be a growing number over time.

CHANGE FOR THE SHIFTY
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2517642
These statements made by the pastor are nothing new... These statements or conspiracies have been out there for a long time, and I have heard them prior to this. .
Really? When I first started posting about the racist hater church and statments/quotes you claimed to not know that much about it and the church in general or it's leader. You also stated I did not know that much about it.
Now it seems...I was dead on regarding the church and the racist hater preacher. Even more hate speech has been uncovered.
 

reefraff

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This stuff is too good not to post
12:47 PM CST, February 2, 2008
GALESBURG, Ill.
Maytag workers whose jobs were shipped to Mexico serve as consistent characters in Barack Obama's stump speech. He employs their stories in railing against corporations that use trade pacts to replace well-paid union workers with low-cost foreign ones.
It is a ready applause line for the Illinois presidential hopeful, one that he has been reciting almost verbatim since he was a candidate for U.S. Senate in 2004, when appliance giant Maytag was in the process of shutting a refrigerator plant here, putting 1,600 people out of work.
But the union that represented most of those Galesburg workers isn't impressed with Obama's advocacy. It has endorsed his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton. Its leaders say they wish he had done more about their members' plight.
What rankles some is what Obama didn't do even as he expressed solidarity four years ago with workers mounting a desperate fight to save their jobs.
Obama had a special connection to Maytag: Lester Crown, one of the company's directors and biggest investors whose family, records show, has raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama's campaigns since 2003. But Crown says Obama never raised the fate of the Galesburg plant with him, and the billionaire industrialist insists any jawboning would have been futile.
Obama's chief political strategist, David Axelrod, said late Thursday that the senator did not know Crown sat on Maytag's board until the Tribune noted it last September in a story about the closing of the Maytag headquarters in Newton, Iowa.

(One of your biggest contributors and you don't know he sits on the board? BS, I've done politics at the statewide level, you know everything about your major donors
Obama's rhetoric on Maytag has been unswerving and underscored by the closure of other U.S. appliance plants by Whirlpool Corp., which bought Maytag in 2006.
In his victory speech after Saturday's South Carolina primary, Obama spoke yet again of "the Maytag worker who is now competing with his own teenager for a $7-an-hour job at Wal-Mart because the factory he gave his life to shut its doors."
Beyond such talk, there is little evidence that Obama went to any lengths to fight the Galesburg shutdown. Some analysts say his ties to the Crowns--Lester's son, James, is the Illinois finance chairman of Obama's presidential run--leave him open to criticism.
Charles Lewis, founder of the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity, said in the era of big money politics there's often a disconnect between the passionate words of a politician and the financial interests of the wealthy benefactors who help bankroll their campaigns.
"It is hypocritical," said Lewis. "Democrats are often in a tricky position because they are close to labor and talk about the homeless and poor, but they need money and have to turn to the captains of industry to get it."
The Obama campaign said the Maytag workers' union never asked him to intervene with Crown and that he would have done so if they had. Union officials said they were unaware of the Crowns' ties to Maytag or to Obama.
In his campaign, Obama has not shied from condemning rivals for straying from their own populist images.
Locked in an increasingly personal war of words with Clinton, Obama has attacked her for long-ago service on the board of Wal-Mart, which has frosty relations with organized labor. Before John Edwards dropped out of the race this week, Obama hit him for financial ties to a hedge fund with investments in Whirlpool. The Obama critique stressed Whirlpool's role in closing U.S. factories, including Maytag's longtime headquarters in Newton, Iowa.
Crown family members are major Democratic Party donors. Some have given to Clinton's campaigns for the U.S. Senate in New York. But in the presidential run, their money is behind Obama, campaign records show. The Crowns and employees of their family-run holding company have given at least $195,000 to Obama's U.S. Senate and presidential campaigns.
Lester Crown made his first contribution to Obama, $2,100, last February and hosted a fundraiser for him last fall. But Crown's wife has pumped $16,100 into Obama' coffers, beginning with a $12,000 gift to his U.S. Senate campaign in 2003.The economic viability of Maytag's Galesburg operation is still in dispute. Obama wrote extensively about the plant in his 2006 best seller, "The Audacity of Hope," and clearly sided with frustrated union workers who insisted their plant was profitable and productive but was being sacrificed to corporate greed.
 

reefraff

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February 3, 2008Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate
By MIKE McINTIRE
When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state's freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.
Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was "the only nuclear legislation that I've passed."
"I just did that last year," he said, to murmurs of approval
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A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.
Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.

"Senator Obama's staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft," said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. "The teeth were just taken out of it."
The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country's largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama's largest sources of campaign money.
Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama's campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers. Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry's lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon's support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
In addition, Mr. Obama's chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod's company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.

The Obama campaign said in written responses to questions that Mr. Obama "never discussed this issue or this bill" with Mr. Axelrod. The campaign acknowledged that Exelon executives had met with Mr. Obama's staff about the bill, as had concerned residents, environmentalists and regulators. It said the revisions resulted not from any influence by Exelon, but as a necessary response to a legislative roadblock put up by Republicans, who controlled the Senate at the time.
"If Senator Obama had listened to industry demands, he wouldn't have repeatedly criticized Exelon in the press, introduced the bill and then fought for months to get action on it," the campaign said. "Since he has over a decade of legislative experience, Senator Obama knows that it's very difficult to pass a perfect bill."
Asked why Mr. Obama had cited it as an accomplishment while campaigning for president, the campaign noted that after the senator introduced his bill, nuclear plants started making such reports on a voluntary basis. The campaign did not directly address the question of why Mr. Obama had told Iowa voters that the legislation had passed.
Nuclear safety advocates are divided on whether Mr. Obama's efforts yielded any lasting benefits. David A. Lochbaum of the Union of Concerned Scientists agreed that "it took the introduction of the bill in the first place to get a reaction from the industry."
"But of course because it is all voluntary," Mr. Lochbaum said, "who's to say where things will be a few years from now?"
 
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