Obama supporters. I have one question

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2523308
For those of us of the non liberal persuassion this is truely amazing. The left bias in the majority of the news media has actually worked to our favor. First the NY Times runs a hit piece on McCain that even sensible Liberals attacked as totally unacceptable and gained McCain a lot of sympathy. Their love affair with Obama delayed any serious scrutiney of him or his record until he has the nomination all but sewn up. Had this story broke 6 months ago Hillary and edwards would be fighting it out. Now they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If Obama wins the nomination the "Reagan Democrats" and many moderates run to McCain. Add to that the POed Clinton voters in Florida and Michigan who wont vote for Obama. Not a good situation.
If the super delegates shift the election to Hillary a heck of a lot of black voters and the fringe left will vote for the green party or just stay home. Also isn't going to play well with younger voters. If you would have told me a year ago the republican candidate would be in a great position to win I'd said you were crazy. I think God must be a Republican

This is a funny train of thought.

 

[zman1]

What is it about parents.
White, White = White
Asian, Asian= Asian
Black, Black = Black
Hispanic, Hispanic=Hispanic
White, Asian= Asian
White, Black= Black
White, Hispanic= Hispanic
Why not
White, Asian= White
White, Black= White
White,Hispanic= White
You can mix those up a bunch of other ways too. However, I guess it's anything other than White, White = you got to be the non-white.

 

[reefraff]

Damn Zmann, we actually agree on something for once

I think its mostly a self identity thing. Obama looks black. A buddy of mine who is half irish half italian married a Hispanic/Mexican girl. Their kids identify as white but they could pass for hispanic easily.
I remember in HS they were doing a survey on racial breakdowns in the school and the teacher asked Hispanic and only a few hands raised. He then added that includes Italian and a bunch more hands went up. I didn't relize how many of my "Mexican" friends were Italian. At that time (Mid 70's) Italians all looked like Marlon Brando and James Caan to me

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2523440
Damn Zmann, we actually agree on something for once

Obama looks black
I don't see it as a personal choice as much, it's more of societies choice.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2523440
Damn Zmann, we actually agree on something for once

I think its mostly a self identity thing. Obama looks black. A buddy of mine who is half irish half italian married a Hispanic/Mexican girl. Their kids identify as white but they could pass for hispanic easily.
I remember in HS they were doing a survey on racial breakdowns in the school and the teacher asked Hispanic and only a few hands raised. He then added that includes Italian and a bunch more hands went up. I didn't relize how many of my "Mexican" friends were Italian. At that time (Mid 70's) Italians all looked like Marlon Brando and James Caan to me

lol that is funny, what happens if you great grandparent are from Italy and China but met in mexico and stayed and later came to america. Who am I?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2523464
I don't see it as a personal choice as much as it's more of societies choice.

In some cases yes, in some no. Obama is going to be labeled black on appearance cause he looks black. Tiger woods too. But look at people like Nicole Ritchy. If you didn't know who her daddy was would you say she is black? Maria Carey? Get away from blacks and it is much more common for people with mixed races to be lumped in as white. Eddie Van Halen, Phoebe Cates, Charlie Sheen. There are a lot more.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2523488
lol that is funny, what happens if you great grandparent are from Italy and China but met in mexico and stayed and later came to america. Who am I?

A Chiwopback?

You're a mutt like the rest of us. My dad was 3/4 Dane and 1/4 German. On my moms everything goes to hell. Some scotch, or english, not sure, A slice of american indian, some more scotch and a whole lotta we don't know.

 

[zman1]

See Reefraff fell right into the society trap.
My light bulb moment on this subject was while in the military. A couple that we were good friends with and did everything together. They were a black and white couple that had a child. I remember to this day a conversation we had about his son. - Society will always view my son as black. The white community will see him as black and the black community will always say he's not black enough, but will accept him. The white community will never say he's not white enough, he's just black. I hope some day things change, but it won't happen in my lifetime, I wish for my son it would.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523059

Can we keep this war going for 100 years? Sure, we might say the surge is working. Political gains are slow. How long can we afford to stay in a war with the troop levels as high as they are? How can you say it is success if we can never leave?
We know the economy will begin to turn around in the next administration. Who ever gets elected will raise taxes. Maybe they won't tell us that now (Read my lips) but they will. The debt will begin to go down, consumer confidence will go up and it will slowly go back up.
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First off. We are still in Germany and Japan....tell me did we win world war 2 or not? Was world war 2 a success from our point of view?
The other way to cut the deficit is to cut a reduce spending. Currently under your two candidates Hilary and Obama, the budget would increase 200 billion dollars with their added social programs. And that is including us pulling out of Iraq and cutting our costs there. You speak of cutting spending for the deficit, yet the two people you support will increase thye budget 200 million more dollars than it currently is.....talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[suzy]

Where do you come up with this crap? You really believe it, don't you?
We have an Air Force base in Germany, a wonderful hospital, another base in Japan. We are allowed to use this land with the permission of both of their governments, and the willingness of their people to let us use the bases for refueling and the like. We are not occupying their country. We are not being shot at and asked to leave.
Geez.......
Even after all the spending of the last 8 years, when the republicans could have made drastic cuts and the Dems did not have enough votes to over ride any veto, you still continue to believe your party wants to reduce spending? Bush signed every spending bill he was sent, not once did he request any cuts in spending. Not one veto to any spending bill.
I think you are talking out both sides of your axx.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523713
Where do you come up with this crap? You really believe it, don't you?
We have an Air Force base in Germany, a wonderful hospital, another base in Japan. We are allowed to use this land with the permission of both of their governments, and the willingness of their people to let us use the bases for refueling and the like. We are not occupying their country. We are not being shot at and asked to leave..
We lease the land and bases......

 

[suzy]

Would we leave if they asked us too?

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523738
Would we leave if they asked us too?
Sure - The eaiest way to make us leave is not to lease us the land. I am agreeing with you -I just was point out this isn't land or bases we took...

 

[darthtang aw]

and we didn't start leasing the land till many years after the fall of Japan and Germany. Apparently suzy missed my point and what MCCain meant by his 100 years comment. Yet another reason why a person can not have a debate with an unwilling debater.
You complain about being in Iraq for a long time. We have been in Kuwait for over 10 years now. We have been in Afghanistan longer than Iraq. We are still in south korea DEFENDING the border to North Korea.
We lost more lives in 1 hour on D day than in this entire war.....Your willingness to capitulate in the face of adversity is astounding. I honestly believe if the democratic party had been filled with the supporters they have today back in 1942, Germany and Japan would have beat us.
The Republicans have a track record longer of reducing spending than the democrats. especially when the current democrats running tell me they want to INCREASE spending and TAXES. McCain has promised to cut spending...or atleast not spend anymore. Obama and Hilary have not promised to do either.
As for where I come up with this crap, I research history. My family is a family of career miltary people (myself being the exception as due to "heath problems" I could not join) and I talk with them constantly. The increase of spending under obama has been charted and estimated how much it would cost this country per year already. and all the figures I have seen have shown a 200 billion dfollar increase each year (and that is if we pull ou of Iraq and don't keep spending there). If we stay in Iraq, each year we are in Iraq it will be AN 800 billion dollar increase.
If you truly want a link to all the expenditures this countries budget goes for, then the link that shows the cost of all of the social plans hilary and obama are speaking of I will provide it. But I have done this before and hate to waste my time as I feel if I did it now you would look at it and glaze your eyes over.

 

[suzy]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2523756
The Republicans have a track record longer of reducing spending than the democrats. especially when the current democrats running tell me they want to INCREASE spending and TAXES. McCain has promised to cut spending...or atleast not spend anymore. Obama and Hilary have not promised to do either.
McCain promises just like Papa Bush promised. There will be some who don't believe it anymore. Of course, some will.....
I really can't see a track record of reducing spending. Especially over the McCainBush administration. Really, why didn't they reduce spending over the last 7 years? I mean, if they wanted to, why didn't they even try? It almost seems like spending has increased, big government has gotten bigger....
Spend, spend, spend....
Borrow, borrow, borrow,
Devalue our dollar even more.....

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523713
Where do you come up with this crap? You really believe it, don't you?
We have an Air Force base in Germany, a wonderful hospital, another base in Japan. We are allowed to use this land with the permission of both of their governments, and the willingness of their people to let us use the bases for refueling and the like. We are not occupying their country. We are not being shot at and asked to leave.
Geez.......
Even after all the spending of the last 8 years, when the republicans could have made drastic cuts and the Dems did not have enough votes to over ride any veto, you still continue to believe your party wants to reduce spending? Bush signed every spending bill he was sent, not once did he request any cuts in spending. Not one veto to any spending bill.
I think you are talking out both sides of your axx.
IT is great how people just ignore history.

 

[bdhutier]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2522366
Oh, and since you claim to be a ICU nurse, I assume you have some knowlegde of your hospital's disaster plan.
OD, after working in health care emergency management, I'd SERIOUSLY doubt that. Most systems/facilities throw a rough outline on the back of the Kardex, and it's never heard of again... well, until the JC comes around for their accreditation inspection. I doubt she's ever read it, and I doubt even more that there's much to read.
Originally Posted by suzy
Spin, spin, spin.......
Hey, when was the last time you spent 4 days on your roof? I hear it's a hoot...
Maybe you should ask Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin about that... it's their fault people were sunbathing up there. While you're at it, ask them about their piss-poor, weak-as-water, irresponsible incident response.
Originally Posted by zman1
"The White Greed Party"
Oh, I see you've been to the site Obama's church put up! Good to see you doing some research, Z!!
Originally Posted by Suzy
Our home is built on a fault line. Our entire city is. Are you saying when the big one hits, we're on our own for the first week or so? We live in a country that has no federal emergency response when our local government response team is hit?
1. Building/buying a house on a fault line is stupid... you're asking for it.
2. Yes, you are more than likely on your own for a week or so. Hence the emphasis on personal emergency preparedness.
3. Your local government is responsible for the incident response, not the federal government. The state will assume incident command when the incident crosses jurisdictional boundaries. The federal government, when requested by the STATE, acts as a coordination entity, and may provide material support if requested by the STATE.
Originally Posted by reefraff
You're a mutt like the rest of us. My dad was 3/4 Dane and 1/4 German. On my moms everything goes to hell. Some scotch, or english, not sure, A slice of american indian, some more scotch and a whole lotta we don't know.
IDK, but I'll NEED a scotch before I sit down to figure out those fractions!!

Originally Posted by Suzy
We have an Air Force base in Germany, a wonderful hospital, another base in Japan.
A bit more than that...:
Germany: Ansbach, Bad Aibling, Bad Kreuznach, Bamberg, Baumholder, Darmstadt, Friedberg, Garmisch, Geilenkirchen AB, Giebelstadt, Grafenwoehr, Hanau, Heidelberg, Hohenfels, Illesheim, Kaiserslautern, Kitzingen, Mannheim, Ramstein AB, Rhein-Main AB, Schweinfurt, Spangdahlem AB, Stuttgart, US Army Europe, Vilseck, Wiesbaden/Mainz, Wuerzburg,
Japan: Camp S.D. Butler, Camp Zama, FLTACT Sasebo, Kadena AB, MCAS Iwakuni, Misawa AB, NAF Atsugi, Torii Station, Yokosuka, Yokota AB,

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523835
McCain promises just like Papa Bush promised. There will be some who don't believe it anymore. Of course, some will.....
I really can't see a track record of reducing spending. Especially over the McCainBush administration. Really, why didn't they reduce spending over the last 7 years? I mean, if they wanted to, why didn't they even try? It almost seems like spending has increased, big government has gotten bigger....
Spend, spend, spend....
Borrow, borrow, borrow,
Devalue our dollar even more.....

McCain is NOT bush, just like Hilary is NOT Bill......I would take Bill over Hillary. Once you realize that McCain has oppossed Bush on many issues, then you will become to understand. But until then you will see them as one and the same, which is your problem. Case in point, I will argue against Obama far harder than Hilary because Hilary seems to understand the "our worldly" needs and interests better than Obama.
No two politicians are the same,. Bush ran on a compassionate conservative platform, which means lower taxes but increased spending for domestic programs and foreign programs.
You can't have both which is my number one issue with him....but raising MY taxes (through Kerry) and copntinuing to spenmd as every democrat candidate has promised for the last 30 years is very unapealing to me. So I will keep my money and let the government keep building debt until we get a guy in that understands you can't have all these domestic and foreign social programs and not create a huge deficit.
The only reason Clinton was able to balance the budget is he did huge Military cut backs...he didn't do that much socially (welfare reform a little bit). In turn that hindered our military to be an effective fighting force. One reason we were shorthanded initially at the beginning of the war and why we had to use so many reserves.
The first sign of a country's weakness and ultimately always leads to their downfall is the cut backs in their military defense forces. History shows this. Every democrat I have seen run promises social programs at the expense of our military......I disagree with that.
If you want free healthcare you can have it and a job and housing. Join the military and serve your country..

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523045
Our home is built on a fault line. Our entire city is. Are you saying when the big one hits, we're on our own for the first week or so? We live in a country that has no federal emergency response when our local government response team is hit?
To some extent, yes.
I'm saying, first off you choose to live there. You are therefore personally responsible for yourself and your family.
Second, you probably won't get 3 days notice the "big one" is coming.
Third, the Feds told people to evacuate. They did not.
Fourth, the Mayor of New orleans delayed activiating the emrgency plans in place, and the Governor of La. did not immediately ask for FEMA assistance.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2523059
I appreciate you admitting your party spends our money like a drunken sailor.
Here are a few more facts: Partial birth abortion is only used when a baby cannot live outside it's mother's womb. I asked our Medical director (at the time), who is a OBGYN how often she had to use this procedure. She told of the 4 x's in her career that she offered it to the mother, the mother choose to deliver the baby and have the baby die in her arms.
I choose to believe that most mothers would do this. I cannot imagine a woman can feel her baby kick and squirm in her belly, a woman who has spent months living with the child inside her would choose other wise.
Here is what I call success: Carter started the WIC program when a commission of people probing the issue found one of the reasons women have abortions is because they can't afford to feed another child. Abortions rates went down.
Can we keep this war going for 100 years? Sure, we might say the surge is working. Political gains are slow. How long can we afford to stay in a war with the troop levels as high as they are? How can you say it is success if we can never leave?
Well, of course it is the last president. Did our gains keep up with inflation? How many years did it take to get back to before he was in office? And, we had record surpluses yet now we have record debt.
We know the economy will begin to turn around in the next administration. Who ever gets elected will raise taxes. Maybe they won't tell us that now (Read my lips) but they will. The debt will begin to go down, consumer confidence will go up and it will slowly go back up.
Just like the first time our debt hit a trillion dollars.
Yeppers.
The Republican Party typically is historically more fiscally responsible. I agree the past 8 years it was not.
You are wrong. PBA's are perfromed differently in different states. That's why it is so disturbing Obombus refused to vote against them in Il. That's why a Federal Law was so important. I assume you did not realize different states had regulated it differently.
you are completely wrong on the economy. Historically raising taxes lowers federal revenue and stifles the economy.
We should fight wars to win. I'll say this again, Al Qaeda has not given up the fight. If we aren't fighting them in Iraq we'll be fighting them elsewhere. The answer to ending the war is to defeat them, not cut and run.