Obama supporters. I have one question

jmick

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2568171
He knows the difference, Even Bill Maher went so far as to agree McCain knows the difference and chalks it up as tiredness and over campaigning for his switch ups. When Bill gives a pass I think most should. Considering Bill is more left than most on here.
Lol, that wasn't the only time he made that mistake. His grasp of foreign policy isn't nearly as strong as he makes it out.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568144
http://www.citizensugar.com/1526217
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...5/15terror.htm
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1851447.story
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm
I thought this was common knowledge?
Your links point abiguously at the saudis in general as supporters of terrorism . Not all of the leaders of saudi arabia are funding terrorism . Your links point to the obvious ties to bin laden . DUH
his family is from Saudi. He is obviously going to have funding from his family DUH
. He only has 54 brothers and sisters his father has been married 22 times ,OBL him self has any where between 12-24 children . Thats a nice base of people to help fund your motives . DOUBLE DUH
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jmick

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2568194
Your links point abiguously at the saudis in general as supporters of terrorism . Not all of the leaders of saudi arabia are funding terrorism . Your links point to the obvious ties to bin laden . DUH
his family is from Saudi. He is obviously going to have funding from his family DUH
. He only has 54 brothers and sisters his father has been married 22 times ,OBL him self has any where between 12-24 children . Thats a nice base of people to help fund your motives . DOUBLE DUH
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Crash, I would encourage you to read the links before you write and do yourself a favor so you don't sound like a eejit.
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568206
Crash, I would encourage you to read the links before you write and do yourself a favor so you don't sound like a eejit.

I did read your out dated links which only one of is up to date . As I said Ambiguous in pointing the finger at a nation. When it is not the nation that is supporting terrorism .
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2568218
I did read your out dated links which only one of is up to date . As I said Ambiguous in pointing the finger at a nation. When it is not the nation that is supporting terrorism .
When said nation does little or nothing to put a halt to the generous donations that many of it's very wealthy members make to extremeist groups what would you call it...other then turning a blind eye? You don't think it'd be wise for us to put pressure on the Saudi's to help curb this? Don't you think it'd be a blow to global terrorism if one of the major areas of funding was cut off? Or do you think the only people funding are related to Bin Laden and it's only a couple of bucks?
 

crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568228
When said nation does little or nothing to put a halt to the generous donations that many of it's very wealthy members make to extremeist groups what would you call it...other then turning a blind eye? You don't think it'd be wise for us to put pressure on the Saudi's to help curb this? Don't you think it'd be a blow to global terrorism if one of the major areas of funding was cut off? Or do you think the only people funding are related to Bin Laden and it's only a couple of bucks?

Go REread your articals it states that the the Saudi goverment has put into place a system that is to deal with this problem . But as you libs like to point out we are getting our nose cut off for sticking it where it doesn't belong . So are we supposed to get involved or not get involved in their actions ? Go ahead and come back with its not enough . Your party is never happy and points the finger in blame always claiming to have a better plan , A change if you will .
 

crashbandicoot

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Tell me Jmick are we supposed to go in and "help" rebuild nations or are we supposed to sit back and let the middle east destroy its self ? Which is it you want ?
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568144
http://www.citizensugar.com/1526217
This week, Stuart A. Levey, a top financial counter-terrorism official in the Bush Administration, told a Senate committee that Saudi Arabia is the number one terrorist bankroller. Levey stressed that the Saudi government has provided operational cooperation against terrorists; but, the Kingdom has failed to eliminate dangerous funding networks as it promised it would years ago
Strike one. No Saudi government support there.
Originally Posted by Jmick

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...5/15terror.htm ...And where did it raise most of those funds? The evidence was indisputable: Saudi Arabia... its huge, unregulated charities funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to jihad groups and al Qaeda cells around the world....These people may have taken advantage of our charities," says Adel al-Jubeir, foreign affairs adviser to the crown prince. "We're looking into it, and we've taken steps to ensure it never happens again."...Critics argue that Wahhabism's more extreme preachings--mistrust of infidels, branding of rival sects as apostates, and emphasis on violent jihad--laid the groundwork for terrorist groups around the world....Saudis rich and poor responded with donations at thousands of zakat boxes in mosques, supermarkets, and schools, doling out support for besieged Muslims in Algeria, Bosnia, Kashmir, the West Bank, and Gaza. Millions poured in...The agency identified over 50 Islamic charities engaged in international aid and found that, as in the Balkans, fully a third of them were tied to terrorist groups...The Muslim World League and the IIRO, for example, are overseen by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, the kingdom's highest religious authority. They receive substantial funds from the government and members of the royal family and make use of the Islamic affairs offices of Saudi embassies abroad...Two things soon became clear. the Saudis had virtually no financial regulatory system and zero oversight of their charities
...Saudi officials have finally admitted that something is indeed seriously wrong
...The Saudis' record, Freeman says, is not one of complicity
but of "negligence and incompetence."...Only after triple suicide bombings struck Riyadh on May 12 did the regime get serious about cracking down, they say. Since then, the Saudis have arrested more than 200, broken up a dozen al Qaeda cells, and begun sharing intelligence as never before.
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So Saudi "charities" have been linked, in some cases, to terrorists. The Saudi ruling family in this article (written in 2003) said they needed more oversight. Unregulated donations into various charities who in turn are donating to guys that end up being terrorists is a stretch. Especially when the very article says the Saudis have cracked down... Strike 2.
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Originally Posted by jmick
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1851447.story
different paper, same story as first link.
Originally Posted by jmick

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp504.htm
Ok, seriously, I respect the Israelis, but this is hardly a legitimate news link. That said, this article addresses Hamas; i was mildly expecting Obama's church of 20 years to make an appearance in the article. Again, nothing that I read about Saudi's supporting terrorist fighting US troops in Iraq (which is exactly what I asked for)
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568228
When said nation does little or nothing to put a halt to the generous donations that many of it's very wealthy members make to extremeist groups what would you call it...other then turning a blind eye? You don't think it'd be wise for us to put pressure on the Saudi's to help curb this? Don't you think it'd be a blow to global terrorism if one of the major areas of funding was cut off? Or do you think the only people funding are related to Bin Laden and it's only a couple of bucks?
Hey, I'm all for regulating money going to charities. Of course I'm also for regulating church's who post Terrorist doctrine...
 

oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2568117
I'm glad you asked... The Constitution of the United States clearly outlines the responsibilities and powers the Federal Government has. DEFENSE is one of those responsibilities. Therefore dealing with foreign entities falls well within the Constitution.
Road work has slowly bled away from State responsibilities by Liberal courts and liberal Congresses abusing section 8 of the constitution regarding "Commerce".
Again; If your bridges and roads need work in your state call your governor and get them fixed.
I know libs hate this, but let's look at the Preamble:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Prof. O2's Constitution 101
1. The power is with the people.
2. The FIRST role of the federal gov't is "provide for the common defense".
3. Nowhere does it say "Provide general welfare"
4. If it is not spelled out in the Constitution, the government cannot do it ( enumeration of powers)
5. The Constitution does not use the words "socialism" or "communism". In fact the Constitution prohibits this.
 

fats71

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot
http:///forum/post/2567304
Yeah fats let that learn you a good one .
Be carefull you'll end up on her do not talk to list and then your really going to be in trouble .
Maybe if there are enough of us on it she will find someplace else to terrorize with her insane attitude and slanderous remarks.
But I imagine thats as likely as obama in the white house .
I could only hope...
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2568075
Here's an idea then; How about you Ohioans fix your own roads???
When exactly did we lose the Constitutional principle of States' rights and the inherent responsibility that goes along with that concept?
I live on Texas road here in Missouri and we have to pay for our own repairs....
When I lived at lake of the Ozarks on little island in roach Missouri when I was 21 we all raised money for years to go from gravel to black top and we did it and again we all living in the area paid for the upkeep etc,. Missourians don't like to be hand fed we have the do it ourself mentality and do not depend upon others to do it for us. While their is an exception to the rule most people are helpful loving caring giving people here maybe Ohio or wherever you live should come down to south Missouri and see how us down home people do it.
Originally Posted by Jmick

http:///forum/post/2568228
When said nation does little or nothing to put a halt to the generous donations that many of it's very wealthy members make to extremeist groups what would you call it...other then turning a blind eye? You don't think it'd be wise for us to put pressure on the Saudi's to help curb this? Don't you think it'd be a blow to global terrorism if one of the major areas of funding was cut off? Or do you think the only people funding are related to Bin Laden and it's only a couple of bucks?

I agree with you lets cut it off right now.
Lets start with rev wright and obama then anyone who supports them dang ol' terror lovers.
 

scubadoo

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Rylan1;2568088 said:
Originally Posted by Suzy
http:///forum/post/2567043
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Hope and inspiration is something we actually need right now... We need a new coach who is going to lift the morale of this country.
I'm sure NObama will bring in his Uncle Rev Wright to serve on his "team" for that inspirational and morale part. THat's if he can get the hater out of his 10,000 sq ft palace.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568206
Crash, I would encourage you to read the links before you write and do yourself a favor so you don't sound like a eejit.
If you would like to discuss terrorism...I suggest you look at this video. THis is the group NObama's friend was a member of along with his wife. Neither has asked for forgiveness or expressed any concern about what they did and pushed for. here you go....actual footage from the archives.
I suggest before NObama and/or his supporters lecture the rest of the country on terrorism he stand up and explain his relationshipt with Ayers and his wife.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2568228
When said nation does little or nothing to put a halt to the generous donations that many of it's very wealthy members make to extremeist groups what would you call it...other then turning a blind eye? You don't think it'd be wise for us to put pressure on the Saudi's to help curb this? Don't you think it'd be a blow to global terrorism if one of the major areas of funding was cut off? Or do you think the only people funding are related to Bin Laden and it's only a couple of bucks?
I suggest you read up on the Woods Foundation. They gave $ to a group headed by Rashid Khalidi...this is back when NObama served on the board with his pal the Weatherbomber.
So, what do you think about a presidential candidate that would vote to give money to a "group" headed by Khaldi? Once you answer that question...we can move on to bigger issues such as the Saudi's...or any other nation. However, before we have that discussion NObama will have to explain or should I say excuse away these ties.
How about being a member of a church which printed the Hamas Manifesto in their bulletin? Any reason why a presidential candidate would be a member of church that provides a platform for Hamas here in America?
What about his frind Bill Ayers and his wife...the two Weatherbombers? Why did he go to their house and seek their support when running for IL Senator?
I'll give you a ready list for NObama...I was not there, I did not read, I never heard, I did not know.
 

scubadoo

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Although AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi has at times denied working directly for the PLO, he reportedly served as director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, a period during which the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi’s wife, Mona Khalidi, reportedly was WAFA’s English translator during that period.
Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991. During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel an "apartheid system in creation" and a "racist" state. Critics have accused him of excusing Palestinian terrorism, a charge he denies.
He dedicated his 1986 book, Under Siege, to "those who gave their lives ... in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon."
While the Woods Fund’s contribution to Khalidi’s AAAN might be perceived as a one-time contact with Obama, there is evidence of a deeper relationship between the presidential hopeful and Khalidi.
According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, the senator first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003; Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.
Asked during a radio interview with this reporter on WABC’s John Batchelor program about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama, Khalidi said he "was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician."
Khalidi said he supports Obama for president "because he is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause."
Khalidi also lauded Obama for "saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians."
Concerning Obama’s role in funding AAAN, Khalidi claimed he "never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago." He terminated the interview when pressed further about his links with Obama.
Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer questions about AAAN’s involvement with Obama.
The Obama campaign did not reply to a list of questions sent by e-mail to the senator’s press office.
 

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2568094
What I am saying is that McCain doesn't know (didn't) the difference. We know they are in Iraq... the point Obama makes is that we brought them there (attracted.. if that is a better word)
The NObama strategy will "attract" them here to the US. THey have already stated once they defeat us in Iraq and we surrender and leave they will bring the battle to US soil. (Quotes already provided)
I'd prefer to fight them where they currently are located and weaken them abroad. Disrupt their infrastructure, etc. This is the procactive approach and what helps prevent further attacks here on US soil.
Should NObama be elected...perhaps he can convince his pals the Weatherbombers to come out of retirement and fight AQ here in the US. Maybe he can finally convert them when AQ is tossing dirty bombs at the U of IL in Chicago.
 

scubadoo

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Yet more lies from NObama expossed by USA today....nice to see some of the media is doing it's job in exposing the NObama lies ...
Obama's fundraising tests the limits of his claim that he is independent of Washington's influence industry because he doesn't take money from federal lobbyists and PACs.
Other examples that strain against that claim:
•Obama holds fundraisers at law firms that lobby in Washington. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor confirmed the campaign held five fundraisers at New York and Boston offices of three firms that lobby, including Greenberg Traurig, whose lobbying clients include gambling and handgun interests.
Obama counts lobbyists among his informal advisers, including Broderick Johnson, who heads the Washington lobbying practice of Bryan Cave, which represents Shell Oil, records show. Nine campaign staffers have been lobbyists, public records show. Johnson did not respond to requests for comment.
•Obama accepts money from spouses of federal lobbyists. In December, the campaign returned a $250 contribution from lobbyist Thomas Jensen of Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal, but a few days later, it cashed a $500 check from his wife, Sarah, records show. Jensen said his wife had "personally chosen" to contribute to Obama.
•Obama accepts contributions and fundraising help from state lobbyists. Florida lobbyist Russell Klenet hosted a fundraiser for Obama Aug. 25, according to the St. Petersburg Times. Two months before, Klenet had withdrawn as a lobbyist in Washington for a kidney dialysis company that relies heavily on federal revenue, Senate records show. Klenet did not return phone calls.
•Obama is raising more than his opponents from executives of some of the corporate interests he criticizes. Obama has received more money from people who work at pharmaceutical and health product companies, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. He's taken in $528,765 through February, compared with $506,001 for Clinton and $139,400 for McCain, despite saying last July that "I don't take p harma money."
Vietor declined to answer questions about lobbyists' role in the campaign and the candidate's decision to accept contributions from lobbyists' spouses and partners. He called Obama's policy an imperfect but important symbolic step. Vietor said Obama "has long believed that lobbyists exert far too much influence over the national agenda."
Yet Obama's 20 largest sources of money, grouped by employers, are executives from major corporations and law firms with a Washington lobbying presence — including Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Google, according to the center. Clinton's and McCain's top donors include executives from some of the same companies, such as Goldman Sachs and Citigroup.
 
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