Same Sex Marriage Okayed In New York ... Your Thoughts?

teresaq

teresaq

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well, i don't want to get in to the fight, but I totally agree with same sex marriage. may be I am bias as my brother in law is gay and my husbands uncle was also gay.(he passed away a few months ago) He has been married three times before finally giving into the fact that he was gay. He could not find happiness in his wives. He was finally happy with his partner. I have a high school friend who is and was also married once. He always tried to be straight, but it just wasn't who he was. I say let them be who they are and let them live their lives the way they want to. This is how they were born. This is how they were made.
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meowzer

meowzer

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I'm glad I was out of town today
the only thing I will add is this....my husband's company has an option in the insurance application for "domestic partner" IMO that means a couple that is NOT married, but cohabitating....male/male male/female
any 2 people who share a household can also file taxes together w/o being married
 
reefraff

reefraff

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The domestic partner deal for insurance is the most fair. I think any two people should be able to enter into a kinship contract of some sort. Like older people who have lost a spouse but don't want to get married again but don't want to live alone.
One thing I think will be interesting is now that gay marriage is spreading what will happen to polygamy. If the notion of one man one woman doesn't equal marriage why should it have to be just two people in a marriage?
 
monsinour

monsinour

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David Tyree has to be fuming. His whole speech in that video about anarchy coming....I just have to laugh. I know plenty of gay people and suprisingly enough, they tend to be better people than the straight people I know. I have no problem with same sex marrige. As a comedian once said:
"Why shouldnt they get the same benefits as the rest of the married people. They should be able to bitch about their spouse just like us."
Besides, if someone can get Jedi passed along as a religion to get out of paying taxes, then same sex marriges should be legal as well.
 
flower

flower

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LOL...none of us were born yesterday. People have for a very long time edged around the "law" of equality when they want to. Plenty of folks don't want to rent that apartment, give that job to or condone anything they don't want to. They simply make some excuse and go on their happy way. We all fudge when the cops don't look, or are not around. I know I have a lead foot when I drive. I have someplace I want to be in a hurry, but do I thumb my desire to go fast in front of a cop and try to win my case in court??? DUH
As for the immorality. You are 100% correct but it isn't just homesexuality. The children raising up against their parents, the way people treat each other, the cursing and violence that flows freely from your TV and movies that we watch for entertainment. Even the computer games our kids play are full of violence and sex. The break down of society proofs are all around you. Down to the open sexuality of women and men half naked on billboeard adevertisments.
What do you think the holy war of the Taliban is all about? They don't want our poison to spread to them and their society. They want their women covered from head to toe with a slit to look out of when in public, they want to kill off out of society, the homesexuals, they condemn a woman to death or public flogging for out of wedlock sex. They want us to let them live a high moral life and if we associeate with them..do the same. That's what the religous right is...the ability to dictate what is moral, and how everyone else should bend to those standards.
Live a righteous life for your own deep belief. Don't push your life style on anyone else and say they should live as you do. I do my best to try and raise my children to my standards. Once grown they go their own way. I can say I did my best. To think for an instant your holy way is better than anothers is crazy...when does it end? How far can religious right override the public? Burning witches, public flogging....stoning? You may not believe in going that far, but some very religious folks who consider themselves to be higher and more Bible understanding than you do.
Why should your belief override someone elses religion as the right standard? The only reason homosexuality is immoral is because religion says so. If you are religious, then don't engage. Evil is not a contageous disease. You have the power to say no thank you. That is the standard God gives us, he does not remove the world and all it's temtations. He expects us to be strong and not do as all others do, setting the righteous apart.
That separation is done by the angels in the last day...it isn't your job to go around uprooting and separating the righteous from the unrighteous. You can't hide in a glass bowl seperated from all temtation ansd say your oh so righteous...you would have never been tested to see how pure your life really is.
My sister was heavy into drugs, in fact everyone of my age back then (I was a hippy) did drugs, I was religious and didn't. Later when drugs and free sex became known for the danger and corruption it caused... Standing in the front of the mirror getting ready to go out for the night, my sister asked me how I could do it...I asked her ..do what? and she said to me "live the way you do, and not ever touch drugs, booze or anything?" I told her it was my choice. I love my sister, I love and care for my friends...the straight ones and the gay ones. I don't look down on them, we enjoy wonderful conversation and plenty of BBQs....they go home to their bed, and I go home to mine.
My children have been around gay folks all their lives and they are straight...I have 16 grandchildren to prove it. So homosexuality didn't rub off a bit. My daughter is religious and she doesn't drink or do drugs, my sons couldn't apply for a job on the railroad where I worked because they couldn't leave weed alone long enough to pass the drug test. Because of thier choices, they work harder for less money....the door was wide open and they picked the one they wanted to walk through.
Who God chooses as righteous on that last day will no doubt shock us all. Jesus is quoted as teaching that all kinds of religious people will say...Didn't we perform miracles in your name??? and he says "I never even knew you..depart from me you unrighteous ones."
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393263
I'm glad I was out of town today
the only thing I will add is this....my husband's company has an option in the insurance application for "domestic partner" IMO that means a couple that is NOT married, but cohabitating....male/male male/female
any 2 people who share a household can also file taxes together w/o being married
I cohabit with my elderly mom...I sure wish I could get her on my insurance.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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I've only know a couple gay folks in my life. Not to get all stereotypical here but I am into shooting, fishing, camping and hard rock music and that isn't a circle a lot of gays run in LOL! Worked with a girl who would hang at the bar at company events and check out girls with the rest of us single guys. Actually learned a lot from her about picking up girls. My ex wife had a hairdresser who offered to knock a little off the price if he could come to our place to cut her hair so he could get all the money. Second time there he tells us "I have to be honest with you guys as long as I am coming to your house, I am gay". We couldn't even fake shock to be polite and both LOAO. The guy is like "What, is it THAT obvious". We answered in stereo "YES". Isn't like I avoid hanging with them, just haven't come across a whole lot of them.
My wife is from a small town in Montana. One of her high school friends came out in her mid 20's. The whole town knows but her parents still keep it on the down low because they don't want people to know......
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/20#post_3393222
Still waiting for this lack of rights to equal other equal rights movements......
Explanation about the new mexico photographer. A couple asked her to photograph their wedding, adate was tentatively scheduled. When they met to go over details the photographer found out then it was to be a lesbian wedding (at the time held no legal status in the state of new mexico, purely ceremonial) the lady expressed her personal belief and told the couple she could not photograph the wedding. The cojple sued and won a settlement, which still baffles me as their was no loss incured...the couple had found a photographer anyway. But the new mexico equal rights commition found the photographer at fault for discrimination....even though it went against her religion. This is the conundrum that will openned. As a small business owner your values and beliefs are tested daily......you have to right to refuse service to anyone...but they have the right to sue you in return.
The couple was not completely upfront....yet the photographer was at all fault because of their hidden situation.
I would say 1/4 of my customers ar homosexual...which probably accounts for why it doesn't bother me. I have actually hung out with many of them and referred work/contracts their way...of this group 1/4 of them take it over the top and actually try to push buttons.....this seems to be the norm....did a gay pride event about three weeks ago. Most were just like your average person. Others were so over the top it was ridiculous...........when was the last time you saw a straight person wear a shirt claiming straight and proud. This is my issue, if you want to be treated normal. Act normal, a freak is a freak......I judge equally, whether straight, black, gay, white, hispanic, or what not...you want to look like a freak or act like one, then don't get hurt when treated like one. I have tats and piercings galore...this is my choice. Sometimes I get stared at..sometimes people make comments...some derogatory...but this is who I am...they disagree with my lifestyle, but I don't get butt hurt about it or complain....
If you are truly proud of who you are, then nothing anyone says or does should affect you.
Define "rights". Back in the 50's and 60's, a black person couldn't drink out of a "white" water fountain. Couldn't use the "white" bathrooms. Couldn't eat in "white" restaurants. Had to sit in the back of the perverbial bus. Some blacks were severely beaten to death simply voicing their opinions (Freedom of Speech comes to mind). Why do you think they enacted the 13th Amendment?
Homosexuals have been denied similar rights, but they are less obvious than the examples I've shown about the plight of the blacks back in those days. Homosexual partners don't have the legal rights to address each other's medical issues, obtain insurance coverage for one another, take ownership of one another's property. Until recently, they didn't have the right to serve openly
in our Armed Forces. If you are gay and in the Army, it was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Some homosexuals who are Christians are denied the right to practice their faith at a church of their choosing. They have to attend "neutrally biased" churches that won't shun them simply because they are gay. In some cases, they are denied freedom of speech. Speak out about your lifestyle, and some homophobe may beat you senseless "just because". It's OK for a bisexual couple to show open affection out in public. You see homosexuals doing it, and it's "gross", "sick", and "don't be doing that in front of me or my children".
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393287
I've only know a couple gay folks in my life. Not to get all stereotypical here but I am into shooting, fishing, camping and hard rock music and that isn't a circle a lot of gays run in LOL! Worked with a girl who would hang at the bar at company events and check out girls with the rest of us single guys. Actually learned a lot from her about picking up girls. My ex wife had a hairdresser who offered to knock a little off the price if he could come to our place to cut her hair so he could get all the money. Second time there he tells us "I have to be honest with you guys as long as I am coming to your house, I am gay". We couldn't even fake shock to be polite and both LOAO. The guy is like "What, is it THAT obvious". We answered in stereo "YES". Isn't like I avoid hanging with them, just haven't come across a whole lot of them.
My wife is from a small town in Montana. One of her high school friends came out in her mid 20's. The whole town knows but her parents still keep it on the down low because they don't want people to know......
I bet you know more gays than you realize, few are so obvious. They are so downtrodden by society and others...my heart aches for how hard their lives are. They are bright fun people to be around at any gathering, never a dull moment. Then out in the open many just withdraw into a tight little knot and try not to be noticed. The ones that are so loud are rebelling against society, not all are that brave...and for the most part it's all an act....They are just regular folks, no different than straight people.
The parents from your wifes small town, want it kept quiet so they don't have to listen to others snide cruel remarks masked as jokes. small town folks can be unbelievably harsh.
 
old hickory

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Your quoted facts are terribly wrong--you are actually describing an incident where an African-American was murdered in Texas. In fact, Matthew Shepard was murdered in Laramie, Wyoming. The murderers pistol-whipped him and left him to die, tied to a fence. Yes, Wyoming did not have Hate Crime Law at the time, but the two murderers did receive life sentences without the chance of parole. I see no miscarriage of justice in their sentence--many murders that had nothing to do with sexual orientation have received far less sentences than that. What you want, apparently, is more severe punishment for those who commit crime against homosexuals than a murderer of a straight person. I find your stance to be ridiculous. The murderers got what they deserved and the law prevailed. Therefore, I do not understand your whining about homosexuals, in the eyes of the law, being treated like second-class citizens. From a personal perspective, I do believe homosexuals are second-class citizens who are a nuisance to society. You probably will consider that statement as "hateful," but I could care less. You would prefer me to like everyone equally--frankly, few, if any, of us likes everyone. You want acceptance from society for your repulsive behavior and that you will not get from the likes of me. Acceptance implies approval.
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Originally Posted by Scott T http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts#post_3393177
Oh and lets not forget Poor Matthew Shepard the 19 year old Texas boy that was Dragged by 2 Heterosexual Males, because he was hanging out in a Bar where they lured him by telling him that they were Gay. They tied that poor kid to the back of a truck and dragged him and they left him to die. Oh, but wait it was not considered a hate crime because Texas, and for that fact most stateds, even the federal Government DOES not have a HATE CRIME law. These 2 Men even admitted that they did it because he was "a sicko, a pervert, because he was gay. If there would have been a Hate Crime Law in Place they would have gotten the death penalty, but sadly there was not.
 
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tailgate1979

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I really have 1 word to well 2 words to say SAD, SICK, thats what america is what this country is turning into. Its no ones fault but OURS.
 
spanko

spanko

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IMO I don't know why gay folk are so adamant in getting the federal government to legalize it. They have no say, IMO, on the issue. If I were gay and wanted it to be "legal" I would be fighting at the state and local level to get the requirement for a marriage license revoked. Why do you need a license to get married?
That said I also believe this is a state issue, not a federal issue.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393306
I bet you know more gays than you realize, few are so obvious. They are so downtrodden by society and others...my heart aches for how hard their lives are. They are bright fun people to be around at any gathering, never a dull moment. Then out in the open many just withdraw into a tight little knot and try not to be noticed. The ones that are so loud are rebelling against society, not all are that brave...and for the most part it's all an act....They are just regular folks, no different than straight people.
The parents from your wifes small town, want it kept quiet so they don't have to listen to others snide cruel remarks masked as jokes. small town folks can be unbelievably harsh.
How could you know someone and not know who their partner is? I went to High school with a guy who also happens to be a relative of a family members spouse. In his mid 30's he figured out he was gay and left his wife and kids. That wasnt a case of me not knowing him, it was him not knowing him. I am sure I've had casual contact with lots of gay folk.
I dunno about the small town folks being harsh. People in Montana were a lot more open minded than I expected. In the case of the wife's HS friend it seemed to me like people were cool with her having what my mother in law called a "special friend".
 
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