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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393389
It's a polite term used by a person raised in a day when such things weren't talked about. My mom referred to black folk as "colored" until the day she died. She was raised in the South in a day when that was the polite term. Few years before she died she had been at one of the box stores buying a TV. There was a question about the price and the cashier asked who had helped her and she told him "It was the tall colored guy". The cashier who was also black slips a note into her receipts "Black men don't like to be referred to as colored". The idiot was lucky I didn't still live out there or we may have done a dust dance in the parking lot. She gave the note to a manager who from the sound of it was freaked because he had no idea how to handle the situation. The guy did something obviously wrong but what kind of can of worms would he be opening if he rep remanded the guy. People try too hard to be offended.
My girlfriend got offended once when she heard my 4 year old daughter tell me that a black lady was at the door. I asked what she was offened at, because children have no way of explaining something except in the most simple way...a lady she didn't know was at the door and the most prominant feature was her skin to identify her. LOL..She had a much better experiance than another poor lady that had been standing nearby with a mastache...she was identified as such...That is what my son noticed, and I was so mortified....the more I tried to quiet him the louder he asked and eventually pointed and said...that lady right there..why does she have a mastache? He was 3, I'm sure she would rather have been called black.
I also must agree with Bionicarm...
If they want to practice catholism they can't engage in homosexual acts.......that is a basis of catholism. Just like I can't apply for the united negro college fund because I am white....is it truly any different? To ask an organization to confirm their belief. To suit everyone? You argue equal rights...but with organizations there are no equal rights. With religion you believe as the religion or you move on. Do you expect islam to accept jewish faith principles as well?
If you make a stand, you have to also understand that you will loose when it comes to religion, and private groups not run by the government such as the boy scouts. it is indeed a sin mentioned as something very immoral. You can't expect the church to rewrite doctorine.
I know a few gay people who really struggle with their deep seated beliefs and what they consider their way of being wired. They are absolutly tortured. It's a struggle I personally wouldn't be able to live with...I think I would choose religion and denounce my personal preference...but isn't that exactly why many young men became priests, and a few of them later after denying themselves for so long...do the unthinkable and much worse? Such an internal battle twists the mind of some and it's a scary thought, and I think a very bad reason to become a priest to try living by denying sex altogether.....religion can really mess with your mind, and two polar opposites in one person....I don't envy them.
However....human nature being ever resourceful ...new homosexual churches are popping up, they can get together and worship God and ignor the part of the Bible they don't like or misunderstand...Just like thousands of others with other hangups that prevent peace of mind...They don't have a church that agrees with them so they start a new one. Because in the end people really need to feel accepted and loved by God..it's some hunger in the soul, and those churches will most certainly marry those who get the license to be allowed to marry according to the laws of their state.
Marriage is a civil thing, you don't need a church to get married, it isn't a religious act, atheists get married all the time. To denouce there is a God is the ultimate evil. Yet they are kind to their fellow man, educated and a part of society. They don't attend church and could care less how much the church rages against them. Yet nobody pickets their grave site and declares their end while their families weap. Nobody walks around shaking in their boots fearing they will contaminate thier children with their teachings, which by the way could be done, they are a true threat to the religious right. A marriage license is how the government regulates people, putting them in groups to be managed which helps to keeps records for taxes and such. Church and state are forever separated and for good reason.
There is no slippery slope to slide by allowing same sex couples.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393389
It's a polite term used by a person raised in a day when such things weren't talked about. My mom referred to black folk as "colored" until the day she died. She was raised in the South in a day when that was the polite term. Few years before she died she had been at one of the box stores buying a TV. There was a question about the price and the cashier asked who had helped her and she told him "It was the tall colored guy". The cashier who was also black slips a note into her receipts "Black men don't like to be referred to as colored". The idiot was lucky I didn't still live out there or we may have done a dust dance in the parking lot. She gave the note to a manager who from the sound of it was freaked because he had no idea how to handle the situation. The guy did something obviously wrong but what kind of can of worms would he be opening if he rep remanded the guy. People try too hard to be offended.
My girlfriend got offended once when she heard my 4 year old daughter tell me that a black lady was at the door. I asked what she was offened at, because children have no way of explaining something except in the most simple way...a lady she didn't know was at the door and the most prominant feature was her skin to identify her. LOL..She had a much better experiance than another poor lady that had been standing nearby with a mastache...she was identified as such...That is what my son noticed, and I was so mortified....the more I tried to quiet him the louder he asked and eventually pointed and said...that lady right there..why does she have a mastache? He was 3, I'm sure she would rather have been called black.
I also must agree with Bionicarm...
If they want to practice catholism they can't engage in homosexual acts.......that is a basis of catholism. Just like I can't apply for the united negro college fund because I am white....is it truly any different? To ask an organization to confirm their belief. To suit everyone? You argue equal rights...but with organizations there are no equal rights. With religion you believe as the religion or you move on. Do you expect islam to accept jewish faith principles as well?
If you make a stand, you have to also understand that you will loose when it comes to religion, and private groups not run by the government such as the boy scouts. it is indeed a sin mentioned as something very immoral. You can't expect the church to rewrite doctorine.
I know a few gay people who really struggle with their deep seated beliefs and what they consider their way of being wired. They are absolutly tortured. It's a struggle I personally wouldn't be able to live with...I think I would choose religion and denounce my personal preference...but isn't that exactly why many young men became priests, and a few of them later after denying themselves for so long...do the unthinkable and much worse? Such an internal battle twists the mind of some and it's a scary thought, and I think a very bad reason to become a priest to try living by denying sex altogether.....religion can really mess with your mind, and two polar opposites in one person....I don't envy them.
However....human nature being ever resourceful ...new homosexual churches are popping up, they can get together and worship God and ignor the part of the Bible they don't like or misunderstand...Just like thousands of others with other hangups that prevent peace of mind...They don't have a church that agrees with them so they start a new one. Because in the end people really need to feel accepted and loved by God..it's some hunger in the soul, and those churches will most certainly marry those who get the license to be allowed to marry according to the laws of their state.
Marriage is a civil thing, you don't need a church to get married, it isn't a religious act, atheists get married all the time. To denouce there is a God is the ultimate evil. Yet they are kind to their fellow man, educated and a part of society. They don't attend church and could care less how much the church rages against them. Yet nobody pickets their grave site and declares their end while their families weap. Nobody walks around shaking in their boots fearing they will contaminate thier children with their teachings, which by the way could be done, they are a true threat to the religious right. A marriage license is how the government regulates people, putting them in groups to be managed which helps to keeps records for taxes and such. Church and state are forever separated and for good reason.
There is no slippery slope to slide by allowing same sex couples.
