Same Sex Marriage Okayed In New York ... Your Thoughts?

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393305
Define "rights". Back in the 50's and 60's, a black person couldn't drink out of a "white" water fountain. Couldn't use the "white" bathrooms. Couldn't eat in "white" restaurants. Had to sit in the back of the perverbial bus. Some blacks were severely beaten to death simply voicing their opinions (Freedom of Speech comes to mind). Why do you think they enacted the 13th Amendment?
Homosexuals have been denied similar rights, but they are less obvious than the examples I've shown about the plight of the blacks back in those days. Homosexual partners don't have the legal rights to address each other's medical issues, obtain insurance coverage for one another, take ownership of one another's property. Until recently, they didn't have the right to serve openly
in our Armed Forces. If you are gay and in the Army, it was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Some homosexuals who are Christians are denied the right to practice their faith at a church of their choosing. They have to attend "neutrally biased" churches that won't shun them simply because they are gay. In some cases, they are denied freedom of speech. Speak out about your lifestyle, and some homophobe may beat you senseless "just because". It's OK for a bisexual couple to show open affection out in public. You see homosexuals doing it, and it's "gross", "sick", and "don't be doing that in front of me or my children".
How do you know a couple are Bisexual, is there a special haircut?

Why should a gay be allowed, or even want to attend a church of their choice if that church's teaching holds homosexuality a sin? That little tidbit is left up to the churches to decide.
I am white. If I speak out against illegal immigration I might have some La Raza type beat me senseless. I am for right to work, If I speak out some union thug might beat me senseless. In both cases those doing the beatings will be prosecuted as beating someone which is illegal. Does that mean they should get different treatment based on their motive? Ain't gonna change the fact I was beat.
 
scott t

scott t

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It just funny to me that when the thought of Homosexuality comes up it becomes the immoral decline of society. That some how we have something to do with that. That the homosexual community is to reason for moral decline in this country. Well, that is just so ridiculous that we as a community have caused all this, because frankly we have not. The moral decay of this country has broader boarders than that. If you want to talk about Immoral acts. let talk about the act of Adultery, or premarital sex, or Pornography, or lusting after another, or sex for non-procreation, the list goes on and on and on. Yet, when you bring up homosexuality it seems that we have somehow been the soul reason that this country is in moral decay. I laugh at that, well then why not round us all up and send up to a the firing squad and be done with it, then you can see if this country is still in moral decay, if the country is any better off, because Frankly it will not be. Maybe we should think about society like Charles Murray thinks about it, Maybe we should exterminate anyone who does not have an IQ of at least 120, because according to him they have no place in society, they have no right to procreate, that if we keep letting them do this that (Yes I saw a speech of his and this is what he said)our society will be filled with a bunch or retards. He also thinks that all people should be subject to the IQ testing and if they are found to be under 120 that they should have to be Sterilized and have no choice about it.
Frankly, Maybe I should stop paying taxes in this country because maybe I do not like living by Heterosexual standards and View. There are more out there than you know it. They are your Doctors, Nurses, cashiers, teachers, lawyers, law makers, clergy, car salesperson, real estate agent, and the funny thing is you do not even know it. If one of your loved ones go to the hospital, do you ask the Doctor are you Homosexual, because if you are I want another Doctor, when you go to the Grocery Store do you ask the cashier are you gay because if you are I want someone else. We everyday have to hide ourselves and Live by Heterosexual standards, its not fair, we should be able to live our lives the way we see fit, without any recourse for it, but yet we can not. Seems that it is a double standard in this country, Live the Heterosexual way or no way at all. I everyday of my life must live with the Heterosexual Lifestyle shoved in my face, but I do not say anything about it because I have no problem with it. Yet, at the mere mention of Homosexuality its becomes a Pissing match and I should keep quiet about it, I should hide it, I should not speak of it. That is Complete Bull if you ask me. I do not tell you what to do with your life, I do not tell you how to Live your life, but I ask you what gives you the right to tell me how i should LIVE mine? What give the Heterosexual community the right to tell me who I should be able to love? What gives them the right to say what i should do in my bedroom? Because it is the "Norm", because its the way people think it should be! Well, Frankly they have not right at all, I am an AMERICA CITIZEN, Is this not still a FREE Country, DO we not still have the Freedoms that are afforded us because we are " not seen" as the NORM?
 
darthtang aw

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Define "rights".  Back in the 50's and 60's, a black person couldn't drink out of a "white" water fountain.  Couldn't use the "white" bathrooms.  Couldn't eat in "white" restaurants.  Had to sit in the back of the perverbial bus.  Some blacks were severely beaten to death simply voicing their opinions (Freedom of Speech comes to mind).  Why do you think they enacted the 13th Amendment?
 
Homosexuals have been denied similar rights, but they are less obvious than the examples I've shown about the plight of the blacks back in those days.  Homosexual partners don't have the legal rights to address each other's medical issues, obtain insurance coverage for one another, take ownership of one another's property.  Until recently, they didn't have the right to serve openly
in our Armed Forces.  If you are gay and in the Army, it was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".  Some homosexuals who are Christians are denied the right to practice their faith at a church of their choosing.  They have to attend "neutrally biased" churches that won't shun them simply because they are gay.  In some cases, they are denied freedom of speech.  Speak out about your lifestyle, and some homophobe may beat you senseless "just because".  It's OK for a bisexual couple to show open affection out in public.  You see homosexuals doing it, and it's "gross", "sick", and "don't be doing that in front of me or my children".
1: we all know about segregation and the atrocities towards those of darker color or non white.
2: the examples you showed as a violation of rights are covered through marriage or civil unions which most support in this discussion, myself included.....
Most of which can be handled with standard legal documentation such as wills and so on as many married people employ anyway.
3: did don't ask don't tell prevent service?
4: those beaten for expressing they are gay, does the LAW accept this? Stop confusing personal prejudice with acceptance through law. This is the discussion, law. Not personal prejudice.
5: Iam gonna let you rethink the church aspect of your argument and tell me why this does not matter or is not a loss of rights.
Darth (you are showing your hypocrisy again) Tang
 
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I see both sides of the coin.
Living in MA, where same sex marriage was legal, in addition to being Northhampton with a large lesbian population, I did question things more.
First, I have never had an issue with gay/lebian. They are not animals, they are just by nature different in their tastes. I really don't think they have a "choice". Their choice, due to the negative connotation of being gay/lesbian is to "fake" a conventional relationship, which a lot try to do. I have seen the pain of friends being torn because they know their own families would not accept them for how they were. I have had the trauma of losing a very close friend who chose death rather than continuing to live a lie because fear of being excommunicated by their family if they persued what was in their heart. My god son is gay and he was severely beaten when he finally came out by boys he grew up with found out and "didn't want to be mocked or assumed to be gay themselves". Did his revelation of being gay change the person they knew? Not at all but for them, they saw their best friend as the enemy, for no other reason than that he was gay.....sad. Newsflash, gay/lesbian people are not attracted to every member of the same sex, get over yourselves. Just because you are same sex does not mean they are going to try and seduce you or rub off on you.
While in MA, being someone who is for same sex marriage I was a little turned off with the "in your face" attitude of many. I am not talking about the families out for a stroll or playing in the park but the ones that were hell bent on shocking people. For the record, I also don't want to see hetro people grinding and humping in public, or just in general being obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious. However, the police were less apt to cite a same sex couple for fear of it becoming an "attack on gay/lesbians". This brings me to my point. The same rules should apply across the board. The photographer case was brought up, this was bogus. Photographers don't have to film a nudist wedding, they don't have to film a s&m wedding, etc. This was a case of showboating in my opinion of what I know of the case, whatever the photographers reasons, they chose not to participate, if they refunded their deposit assuming their was one, it should have been end of story. Move on. Equal should mean equal across the board.
It's easy to become hung up on words and definitions. Gay/Lesbian people want the right to marry. Marriage means alot of things to a lot of people. For those of you saying that you don't "get" why they need to be married, I ask why are YOU married?
For some, it is that bond before God. Just because they choose to love a same sex person, doesn't mean that many don't want the same traditional house with the white picket fence.
For others, it may be the ability to have health insurance and the tax implications. It can also be that in the event of the death of a partner that their accumulated assets won't be held or even withheld from one of the parties who helped to build them.
Imagine that your wife or husband is in a horrific auto accident. Imagine that you are denied access because you are not the "immediate family". Imagine that life and death decisions are not yours to make. Imagine that your inlaws will not allow you to be present in the hospital or in their decision to pull the plug. Imagine that you are not even allowed to say goodbye. It happens all the time.
I would much rather two people be in a commited marriage same sex or not and show their children how to respect their partner and their family. Whether it's same sex or not, children can learn the sanctity of marriage. Who the child chooses to embrace as their partner is up to them. Gay parents don't "create" or "design" gay children. I know far too many, "normal" marriages where one or both partners are stepping out, abusive, or altogether just dismissive of their marriage.
Same sex marriage encompasses a lot more emotionally than it does legally.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393359
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393305
Define "rights". Back in the 50's and 60's, a black person couldn't drink out of a "white" water fountain. Couldn't use the "white" bathrooms. Couldn't eat in "white" restaurants. Had to sit in the back of the perverbial bus. Some blacks were severely beaten to death simply voicing their opinions (Freedom of Speech comes to mind). Why do you think they enacted the 13th Amendment?
Homosexuals have been denied similar rights, but they are less obvious than the examples I've shown about the plight of the blacks back in those days. Homosexual partners don't have the legal rights to address each other's medical issues, obtain insurance coverage for one another, take ownership of one another's property. Until recently, they didn't have the right to serve openly
in our Armed Forces. If you are gay and in the Army, it was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Some homosexuals who are Christians are denied the right to practice their faith at a church of their choosing. They have to attend "neutrally biased" churches that won't shun them simply because they are gay. In some cases, they are denied freedom of speech. Speak out about your lifestyle, and some homophobe may beat you senseless "just because". It's OK for a bisexual couple to show open affection out in public. You see homosexuals doing it, and it's "gross", "sick", and "don't be doing that in front of me or my children".
1: we all know about segregation and the atrocities towards those of darker color or non white.
2: the examples you showed as a violation of rights are covered through marriage or civil unions which most support in this discussion, myself included.....
Most of which can be handled with standard legal documentation such as wills and so on as many married people employ anyway.
3: did don't ask don't tell prevent service?
4: those beaten for expressing they are gay, does the LAW accept this? Stop confusing personal prejudice with acceptance through law. This is the discussion, law. Not personal prejudice.
5: Iam gonna let you rethink the church aspect of your argument and tell me why this does not matter or is not a loss of rights.
Darth (you are showing your hypocrisy again) Tang
+1000, however unfortunately, the church doesn't have the say as it did 20 or 50 years ago.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393337
How could you know someone and not know who their partner is? I went to High school with a guy who also happens to be a relative of a family members spouse. In his mid 30's he figured out he was gay and left his wife and kids. That wasnt a case of me not knowing him, it was him not knowing him. I am sure I've had casual contact with lots of gay folk.
I dunno about the small town folks being harsh. People in Montana were a lot more open minded than I expected. In the case of the wife's HS friend it seemed to me like people were cool with her having what my mother in law called a "special friend".
"special friend"...depending on the mood of the parent or partner and their attitude towards who is speaking.... can be considered a sweet namesake or an insult. I have never been to Montana, I hail from further south.....That movie Harper Valley PTA isn't far off.
 
kiefers

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Personally, I don't really care either or. your gay and want a partner, wether husband or wife, okay so be it. It is not for me to judge what is right or wrong and who I am I to say "your going to hell because God frowns on your sexual choices". treat me, my religion, and my beliefs wether right or wrong with respect, I treat you the same. That is what is wrong with this world today, People want to push their beliefs on others and push and push. Look what happened to the 10 commandments in court. One person gets a burr up there keester and want everyone else to believe the same.
the same sex marriage..... well okay. I wish y'all the best.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393373
"special friend"...depending on the mood of the parent or partner and their attitude towards who is speaking.... can be considered a sweet namesake or an insult. I have never been to Montana, I hail from further south.....That movie Harper Valley PTA isn't far off.
It's a polite term used by a person raised in a day when such things weren't talked about. My mom referred to black folk as "colored" until the day she died. She was raised in the South in a day when that was the polite term. Few years before she died she had been at one of the box stores buying a TV. There was a question about the price and the cashier asked who had helped her and she told him "It was the tall colored guy". The cashier who was also black slips a note into her receipts "Black men don't like to be referred to as colored". The idiot was lucky I didn't still live out there or we may have done a dust dance in the parking lot. She gave the note to a manager who from the sound of it was freaked because he had no idea how to handle the situation. The guy did something obviously wrong but what kind of can of worms would he be opening if he rep remanded the guy. People try too hard to be offended.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393359
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/40#post_3393305
Define "rights". Back in the 50's and 60's, a black person couldn't drink out of a "white" water fountain. Couldn't use the "white" bathrooms. Couldn't eat in "white" restaurants. Had to sit in the back of the perverbial bus. Some blacks were severely beaten to death simply voicing their opinions (Freedom of Speech comes to mind). Why do you think they enacted the 13th Amendment?
Homosexuals have been denied similar rights, but they are less obvious than the examples I've shown about the plight of the blacks back in those days. Homosexual partners don't have the legal rights to address each other's medical issues, obtain insurance coverage for one another, take ownership of one another's property. Until recently, they didn't have the right to serve openly
in our Armed Forces. If you are gay and in the Army, it was "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Some homosexuals who are Christians are denied the right to practice their faith at a church of their choosing. They have to attend "neutrally biased" churches that won't shun them simply because they are gay. In some cases, they are denied freedom of speech. Speak out about your lifestyle, and some homophobe may beat you senseless "just because". It's OK for a bisexual couple to show open affection out in public. You see homosexuals doing it, and it's "gross", "sick", and "don't be doing that in front of me or my children".
1: we all know about segregation and the atrocities towards those of darker color or non white.
2: the examples you showed as a violation of rights are covered through marriage or civil unions which most support in this discussion, myself included.....
Most of which can be handled with standard legal documentation such as wills and so on as many married people employ anyway.
3: did don't ask don't tell prevent service?
4: those beaten for expressing they are gay, does the LAW accept this? Stop confusing personal prejudice with acceptance through law. This is the discussion, law. Not personal prejudice.
5: Iam gonna let you rethink the church aspect of your argument and tell me why this does not matter or is not a loss of rights.
Darth (you are showing your hypocrisy again) Tang
Did DADT prevent service? In some cases, yes. There are a multitude of homosexuals who would love to have a career in the military, but would never join in fear of retribution of possibly being "found out" after they have committed to joining the service.
Were there "laws" in place when blacks were beaten simply because of the color of their skin? Were "laws" in place when blacks were villified for speaking out? How do you differentiate the two?
Just because someone is homosexual, doesn't mean they don't have faith. I grew up with a couple of homosexuals who went to the same Catholic school I did growing up. Their families are devout Catholics, and they attended church weekly before "coming out". Once that happened, they were ostracized and made to feel insignificant in the eyes of the church and God. They still want to practice Catholicism, but now have to be discreet about their "sexual preferences" to do it.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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So if someone who was raised in the church decided that polygamy is right should the church have to change their doctrine to accommodate them? I THINK NOT.
 
darthtang aw

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Did DADT prevent service?  In some cases, yes.  There are a multitude of homosexuals who would love to have a career in the military, but would never join in fear of retribution of possibly being "found out" after they have committed to joining the service. 
 
Were there "laws" in place when blacks were beaten simply because of the color of their skin?  Were "laws" in place when blacks were villified for speaking out?  How do you differentiate the two?
 
Just because someone is homosexual, doesn't mean they don't have faith.  I grew up with a couple of homosexuals who went to the same Catholic school I did growing up.  Their families are devout Catholics, and they attended church weekly before "coming out".  Once that happened, they were ostracized and made to feel insignificant in the eyes of the church and God.  They still want to practice Catholicism, but now have to be discreet about their "sexual preferences" to do it.
 
See...you aren't pushing for it to be equal in the eyes of the law. You are pushing for it to be "normalized". See it isn't about equal rights, it is about. Being normal. Example, I am different than most people. I have tatoos from head to toe......more than most. Istill get discriminated against because of it. Does it bother me, no. Because this is who I am. I don't ask to be accepted..if a person can't accept me for who I am I move on.
If they want to practice catholism they can't engage in homosexual acts.......that is a basis of catholism. Just like I can't apply for the united negro college fund because I am white....is it truly any different? To ask an organization to confirm their belief. To suit everyone? You argue equal rights...but with organizations there are no equal rights. With religion you believe as the religion or you move on. Do you expect islam to accept jewish faith principles as well?
It isn't about love either....it is about the sexual action. .....I can show you countless action of love by a man to another man that don't involve sex or the need for marriage.........stop using the love argument as sex does not equal love.
And to those of you that state you can't judge right and wrong....please never serve on a jury trial for capital murder. That is just a weak cop out for you to come across as sensitive and understanding without expressing a stance......
Darth (judge not lest ye be judged) Tang
 
scott t

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393393
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393390
Did DADT prevent service? In some cases, yes. There are a multitude of homosexuals who would love to have a career in the military, but would never join in fear of retribution of possibly being "found out" after they have committed to joining the service.
Were there "laws" in place when blacks were beaten simply because of the color of their skin? Were "laws" in place when blacks were villified for speaking out? How do you differentiate the two?
Just because someone is homosexual, doesn't mean they don't have faith. I grew up with a couple of homosexuals who went to the same Catholic school I did growing up. Their families are devout Catholics, and they attended church weekly before "coming out". Once that happened, they were ostracized and made to feel insignificant in the eyes of the church and God. They still want to practice Catholicism, but now have to be discreet about their "sexual preferences" to do it.
See...you aren't pushing for it to be equal in the eyes of the law. You are pushing for it to be "normalized". See it isn't about equal rights, it is about. Being normal. Example, I am different than most people. I have tatoos from head to toe......more than most. Istill get discriminated against because of it. Does it bother me, no. Because this is who I am. I don't ask to be accepted..if a person can't accept me for who I am I move on. But if I was to walk into a recruiting office and say I am a homosexual I want to join the military I would not be able to how is that equal? Heterosexual couples can walk into a Clerk''s office in Anytown, USA and say I want to Marriage License they would be able to, if a Homosexual Couple did the same they would be told no you can not have one? How is that Equal?
If they want to practice catholism they can't engage in homosexual acts.......that is a basis of catholism. Just like I can't apply for the united negro college fund because I am white....is it truly any different? To ask an organization to confirm their belief. To suit everyone? You argue equal rights...but with organizations there are no equal rights. With religion you believe as the religion or you move on. Do you expect islam to accept jewish faith principles as well?
It isn't about love either....it is about the sexual action. .....I can show you countless action of love by a man to another man that don't involve sex or the need for marriage.........stop using the love argument as sex does not equal love. So its only about sex, that is all that Homosexual people are about is the Sex? They can not love? They don't know how to express love, they don't know how to love?
And to those of you that state you can't judge right and wrong....please never serve on a jury trial for capital murder. That is just a weak cop out for you to come across as sensitive and understanding without expressing a stance......
Darth (judge not lest ye be judged) Tang
WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES!!!!!
 
yearofthenick

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Homosexuality is nothing new. There have been homosexuals for centuries and centuries. Whether it's right or wrong is not something I really care to debate, even though I'm a vocational leader in a Bible-based church in California.
What concerns me is that redefining marriage can eventually snowball... could lead to polygamy or more... you never know. But when you change a template, it opens a door that could lead down a slippery slope. For example, leaders hate being labeled unconstitutional because it means that their ideas go against everything this country was founded on. Another example: If we somehow modify the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech), it's only a matter of time before it gets modified to the point that it prohibits free speech, going against the very thing it was originally meant to protect. But that's just the product of corrupt government... it's only a matter of time. That's why the Pilgrims sought out America... to escape the oppression of the government of their time. Eventually, all governments rise and fall - It's impossible to get away from.
I am not against gay marriage or people seeking out equal tax opportunities that married people have. But think about what this law means for churches... if a church refuses to marry a gay couple because it goes against the church's beliefs, they could be sued and lose their non-profit license from the government because of what would be labeled as discrimination.
If gay marriage is legalized, then it comes at the cost of refusing to allow the freedom of those to believe what they want to believe, and bastardizing the Bible. Gays talk about being "second class citizens" but if this law passed, it would turn all bible-based believers into second-class citizens.
If a law came to pass that allowed gay couples to be put on an equal level as the rest of us, and STILL protect the freedom we have to believe what we want, then I would be all for it. Sign me up.
 
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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/60#post_3393397
Homosexuality is nothing new. There have been homosexuals for centuries and centuries. Whether it's right or wrong is not something I really care to debate, even though I'm a vocational leader in a Bible-based church in California.
What concerns me is that redefining marriage can eventually snowball... could lead to polygamy or more... you never know. But when you change a template, it opens a door that could lead down a slippery slope. For example, leaders hate being labeled unconstitutional because it means that their ideas go against everything this country was founded on. Another example: If we somehow modify the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech), it's only a matter of time before it gets modified to the point that it prohibits free speech, going against the very thing it was originally meant to protect. But that's just the product of corrupt government... it's only a matter of time. That's why the Pilgrims sought out America... to escape the oppression of the government of their time. Eventually, all governments rise and fall - It's impossible to get away from.
I am not against gay marriage or people seeking out equal tax opportunities that married people have. But think about what this law means for churches... if a church refuses to marry a gay couple because it goes against the church's beliefs, they could be sued and lose their non-profit license from the government because of what would be labeled as discrimination.
If gay marriage is legalized, then it comes at the cost of refusing to allow the freedom of those to believe what they want to believe, and bastardizing the Bible. Gays talk about being "second class citizens" but if this law passed, it would turn all bible-based believers into second-class citizens.
If a law came to pass that allowed gay couples to be put on an equal level as the rest of us, and STILL protect the freedom we have to believe what we want, then I would be all for it. Sign me up.
And that is the same pitfall I see. The issue of people attempting to sue a church for not marrying them. Frankly, churches can and do refuse to marry straight people for various reasons. The church holds the right to stay true to themselves and their beliefs, like it or not.
Equal means equal...period.
While I think people should have the right to marry whom they choose, from my experience living in a state that allows same sex marriage did see abuses of that and also know that there are a lot more secondary issues that would need to be addressed in order to protect everyone. I have seen police officers fail to do their job because they would avoid a situation rather than possibly fall into a trap where they were accused of being biased against gay/lesbian. Instead fear makes them actually have reverse bias as they would reprimand a straight couple.
This is a multi faceted issue.
I wish less focus would be on the perceived wrong of being homosexual and more towards moving forward with the true issues.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Ultimately the government can't pass a law telling a church what to believe as long as 0bama doesn't get to appoint another justice to the supreme court, not sure I'd place 2 cents on that bet with a liberal majority on the court. I really don't see the big opposition to polygamy as long as there isn't welfare fraud involved. Heck my wife dibbed first wife status after watching the first season of Big Love LOL! But that brings up an important point. The government forced the mormon church to give up Polygamy. What's to say the same thing wont happen with gay marriage.
 
1guydude

1guydude

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has anyone seen spartacus? Gays have indeed been around forever....lol i know is just tv but it has to be true. Im sure they were ridiculed against by people back than as well.....btw good job bigarn u really stirred the pot on this one...
 
scott t

scott t

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Maybe marriage should not be Legal for anyone!! Maybe it should be outlawed altogether, then I do not think this debate would be going on right now. I do not really see a problem with this solution I am all for it!!!
The Devil's Advocate!!!
 
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