Same Sex Marriage Okayed In New York ... Your Thoughts?

flower

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/100#post_3393507
One mess that will have to be sorted out is federal tax status. If a couple marries in New York and moves to a state that doesn't recognize gay marriage what happens to the tax treatment? Wouldn't be able to file as married in the new state so I assume couldn't on Federal either.
I do believe that if you are married in any state, it is legal in all states. Some states say you can't get married until you are 18, but in others a parent can sign and you are married...that marriage is legal anywhere else as well. The reason being is that the registry for married couples is Federal for tax reasons. Also a Civil ceremony is a marriage. A wedding in a church without a license is illegal and not recognized as a marriage...the vows would mean nothing to anyone but the couple...You would just be living together as far as anyone is concerned.
It is only a marriage if it is a civil marriage recognized by the state. Once you have a marriage license ANYONE can "marry" you....I had a friend..her and her husband got the license and said their vows to each other without any clergy, or ships captian, and without a judge. all they did was have two witnesses sign and it was done and legal. You send in the license portion to the address listed and your done..one copy is yours and the other is for taxes and other legal stuff down the road, you do however need a judge to divorce or annul a marriage once that little paper is sent in.
ONLY the Catholic church will not recognize a marriage outside of a CATHOLIC church. If you were married in a Baptist church they say you may be recognized by the state, but not by the church...they do not consider other chruches a church. Also a Catholic priest will not marry a couple unless both are either born catholic and can prove baptisim or is converted to be Catholic.
 
meowzer

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393583
Did this change recently? There was no requirement to convert just a few years ago.
I thought it was always this way.....In order to be married in a catholic church BOTH parties MUST be Catholic....and IIRC not only had to be baptized, they had to have all 3 of their sacraments
Baptism, Holy Communion, and Confirmation
My sister had to get married in a different church because her husband was not catholic, and the church would not marry them
 
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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393588
I thought it was always this way.....In order to be married in a catholic church BOTH parties MUST be Catholic....and IIRC not only had to be baptized, they had to have all 3 of their sacraments
Baptism, Holy Communion, and Confirmation
My sister had to get married in a different church because her husband was not catholic, and the church would not marry them
Nah, the Church would marry them. Perhaps that specific priest chose not to for whatever reason but it's not a requirement of the Church as far as I know.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393574
I do believe that if you are married in any state, it is legal in all states. Some states say you can't get married until you are 18, but in others a parent can sign and you are married...that marriage is legal anywhere else as well. The reason being is that the registry for married couples is Federal for tax reasons. Also a Civil ceremony is a marriage. A wedding in a church without a license is illegal and not recognized as a marriage...the vows would mean nothing to anyone but the couple...You would just be living together as far as anyone is concerned.
It is only a marriage if it is a civil marriage recognized by the state. Once you have a marriage license ANYONE can "marry" you....I had a friend..her and her husband got the license and said their vows to each other without any clergy, or ships captian, and without a judge. all they did was have two witnesses sign and it was done and legal. You send in the license portion to the address listed and your done..one copy is yours and the other is for taxes and other legal stuff down the road, you do however need a judge to divorce or annul a marriage once that little paper is sent in.
ONLY the Catholic church will not recognize a marriage outside of a CATHOLIC church. If you were married in a Baptist church they say you may be recognized by the state, but not by the church...they do not consider other chruches a church. Also a Catholic priest will not marry a couple unless both are either born catholic and can prove baptisim or is converted to be Catholic.
Some states have passed laws defining marriage as one man one woman and specifically denies recognition of same sex marriage performed in state that allow it. I looked last night and as it stands the federal government doesn't recognize gay marriage so the tax implications aren't an issue yet. Least not on a federal level.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393583
Did this change recently? There was no requirement to convert just a few years ago.
I'm trying to recall who wanted to marry and had to convert.....It had to be at least 15 years ago. I would be very surprised if the Catholic church would change something that important to them. Is it possible there are different guages of the religion? In Judaism we have, Reformed, concervative, orthodox and ulta orthodox....needless to say the orthodox and ultra orthodox adhere to more stringent standards.
Cathoilic has an Eastern orthodox I know, because my foreman at work followed that one. I got this information from a fellow who wanted to get married and he couldn't prove he had been baptised as a baby. I am not an expert on Catechism. So the info is heresay...but it would be an interesting study ...I'm going to google and see what I can find..interesting...I wonder if the priest had that rule just for his church.
Reefraff....once you are married in any state that recognizes that marriage as legal...it is legal no matter where you go. Some folks fly to Vegas, get married and return home to their state where there is a waiting period before your license is valid....Otherwise everytime you moved out of state, you have to get married in that state..
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393600
I'm trying to recall who wanted to marry and had to convert.....It had to be at least 15 years ago. I would be very surprised if the Catholic church would change something that important to them. Is it possible there are different guages of the religion? In Judaism we have, Reformed, concervative, orthodox and ulta orthodox....needless to say the orthodox and ultra orthodox adhere to more stringent standards.
Cathoilic has an Eastern orthodox I know, because my foreman at work followed that one. I got this information from a fellow who wanted to get married and he couldn't prove he had been baptised as a baby. I am not an expert on Catechism. So the info is heresay...but it would be an interesting study ...I'm going to google and see what I can find..interesting...I wonder if the priest had that rule just for his church.
Reefraff....once you are married in any state that recognizes that marriage as legal...it is legal no matter where you go. Some folks fly to Vegas, get married and return home to their state where there is a waiting period before your license is valid....Otherwise everytime you moved out of state, you have to get married in that state..
This only pertains to same sex marriage. Some states have passed laws against recognizing marriages that and invalid under their state constitutions. Because the federal government doesn't recognize same sex marriage that states arent obligated to.
 
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Originally Posted by Flower 1634 Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.

1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.[sup]137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.[sup]138[/sup] This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139[/sup]
 
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393634
a Fawn and a Blue now, had a black/mantle and brindle as well, but one has pssed on, the other we had to find a home for as she was constantly picking fights with our 10 year blue.
The Blues are my favorite. Danes are just great Dogs....... we bought "Sheba", not a name we chose, from this chick who rescued her from an abusive guy who enjoyed using her as a punching, kicking bag and ash tray. I would love to meet this guy. It took our Dane 3 months to trust me and even come near me, now she goes and follows me everywhere.
 
crimzy

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Why would anyone be intolerant about this?? You don't have to approve of gays or gay marriage but why should you force your moral views upon someone else.
Personally, I'd have no problem if a guy wanted to marry a taco... live and let live. ;)
 
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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393689
The Blues are my favorite. Danes are just great Dogs....... we bought "Sheba", not a name we chose, from this chick who rescued her from an abusive guy who enjoyed using her as a punching, kicking bag and ash tray. I would love to meet this guy. It took our Dane 3 months to trust me and even come near me, now she goes and follows me everywhere.
I would bet my paycheck that he's a straight guy and not one of the evil homosexuals that you fear so much.
 
darthtang aw

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Why would anyone be intolerant about this?? You don't have to approve of gays or gay marriage but why should you force your moral views upon someone else.

Personally, I'd have no problem if a guy wanted to marry a taco... live and let live. ;)
Was that racist.....?
Darth (would you let your daughter marry a wallabee) Tang
 
crimzy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393712
Was that racist.....?
Darth (would you let your daughter marry a wallabee) Tang
Racist? No way... I just found myself peeking through your windows again...
You actually raise a point in the signature line. It's easy to be tolerant when it's a nameless, faceless stranger. A little tougher when it may hit close to home. But I think I would support my daughter if the wallabee was a gentlemen and my little girl was truly happy. Love is a beautiful thing...
 
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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393705
Why would anyone be intolerant about this?? You don't have to approve of gays or gay marriage but why should you force your moral views upon someone else.
Personally, I'd have no problem if a guy wanted to marry a taco... live and let live. ;)
Fear and ignorance. Earlier in this thread someone equated pedophilia to being gay. This is the kind of fear and ignorance that is degrading this country into a third world nation.
 
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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///forum/thread/386373/same-sex-marriage-okayed-in-new-york-your-thoughts/120#post_3393720
Fear and ignorance. Earlier in this thread someone equated pedophilia to being gay. This is the kind of fear and ignorance that is degrading this country into a third world nation.
That is not the only thing that they equate to being homosexual, Lets see, Pedophilia, Sicko, Unnatural, Sodomite, and the list goes on and on. As I have stated before they degrade me, say mean things to me, call me whatever they want to, but I will not stoop to their level, to be mean and unkind to them.. I will treat them with respect and not degrade them, because I am a better person than that. Why should I add more hate to a world that is full of it now? Why would I do the same thing that they are doing? I respect that they have an Opinion on the issue and they are entitled to it. Whether it is right or wrong I must respect that, I must let them voice that because that is their right. It is ignorance because they first see Homosexuality, they do not take the time to see the person, it is the one thing for them that defines who the person is that persons Homosexuality. I will live my life as I see fit, if they do not like it or they have a problem with it, that is their problem not mine. I am not going to let them stop me from living my life and being happy. I should not have to change who I am just to please everyone or make them happy, the only one is this world that I need to make happy is myself. If I can include others in that happiness then that is wonderful, if they choose not to associate with me then, I have many others that will.
I thank all who have had an Opinion on this issue and I will continue to debate it, but remember I will be respectful and hope that everyone else will also be.
-Scott-
 
reefraff

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I remember one episode where a good friend of the family threw a party and her gay nephew was there. My cousin's wife wanted a soda but was afraid to go in the kitchen because the gay guy was in there. Seriously afraid. She was about 18 at the time. About 15 years later her little brother came out of the closet. It took her a year or so to come around about that. Difference was the first incident was irrational. The second was she had a moral objection based on her religious beliefs but in the end it was still her little brother. It's ok to not condone the way someone lives their life but let's be rational about it. It doesn't make them a dangerous or evil person, just different.
 
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