stocklist for a 100g

[skate020]

Originally Posted by BTLDreef
http:///forum/post/3215725
You can try. I'd start with a couple cheap mushrooms and zoa frags and see if the fish pick at them or not. With the angel it's a 50/50 chance.
ok cool im sure if i slowly add things i can maybe get it to work, the angel is the only one im worried about to nip at them, and the lion perching on stuff but im sure he'll be ok.
will there be enough light for them? 14k bulbs at 150w each, 3 of them.
so 450w overal, evenly spaced out throughout the tank. and will that be enough for the anemone?
i went to LFS today and they had a tang in that looked really cool, they called it a freckled face tang, i never heard of it before but it was a dark brown with, freckles, so im going to do some research on it and maybe it can be the second tang
oh and i think im settled on a v2 800 skimmer, its very quiet and is at a reasonable price

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3217195
ok cool im sure if i slowly add things i can maybe get it to work, the angel is the only one im worried about to nip at them, and the lion perching on stuff but im sure he'll be ok.
will there be enough light for them? 14k bulbs at 150w each, 3 of them.
so 450w overal, evenly spaced out throughout the tank. and will that be enough for the anemone?
i went to LFS today and they had a tang in that looked really cool, they called it a freckled face tang, i never heard of it before but it was a dark brown with, freckles, so im going to do some research on it and maybe it can be the second tang
oh and i think im settled on a v2 800 skimmer, its very quiet and is at a reasonable price
If the anemone is high enough, a bubble tip would work. I forget how deep your tank is and don't feel like going back and looking it up right now

I've heard that if you add corals BEFORE the angel you have a better chance of it not eating corals. Apparently they like to redecorate by eating new introductions.
Freckle Face Tang: Acanthurus maculiceps "Acanthurus maculiceps (Ahl 1923), the Freckle face Surgeon. To some 16 inches in the wild, about half this in captivity. Indo-West Pacific. A more common import the last couple of years in the West. Pricy but beautiful and hardy." hope that helps.
If you like the look of him, it's worth looking at the Chevron Tang, they stay smaller as well and are more readily available.

 

[skate020]

The tank is only 24" deep so should be ok I think I'll get a RBTA
yehh thanks that helps alot if it'll only grow about 8-10" then it'll be fine, providing he's a friendly fish I may get him, he's not too pricey either, £68.
I introduced the lion into the tank today it's had no ammonia nd no nitrites for a week now, nitrates are about 20, pH 8.3, so he's in
I went to get some maroon clowns today, and there were this pair of one B/W clown nd one ocellaris, they were beautiful so I had to get them lol, there about 4"-4.5" big so they won't be a threat to the lion for a couple years, and when they are they can go into the 25g with a blenny or something, I'll upload some pics soon there amazing lol, so it'll be no maroons

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3217349
The tank is only 24" deep so should be ok I think I'll get a RBTA
yehh thanks that helps alot if it'll only grow about 8-10" then it'll be fine, providing he's a friendly fish I may get him, he's not too pricey either, £68.
I introduced the lion into the tank today it's had no ammonia nd no nitrites for a week now, nitrates are about 20, pH 8.3, so he's in
I went to get some maroon clowns today, and there were this pair of one B/W clown nd one ocellaris, they were beautiful so I had to get them lol, there about 4"-4.5" big so they won't be a threat to the lion for a couple years, and when they are they can go into the 25g with a blenny or something, I'll upload some pics soon there amazing lol, so it'll be no maroons
You know I have to say this: DON'T RUSH THIS!
I think you made a wise choice on purchasing larger owns. You're quarantining them right?
I would like to see those nitrates lower, when was the last time you did a water change?
How does he like his new home?
As to the temperment of that tang, I really don't know too much about them, but judging by the it being its species, it is probably semi aggressive, as an Achilles or Powder Blue would be.

 

[crypt keeper]

looks like its coming together. how long is the tank? I would do two mounds of live rock on each side. This will give the lion plenty of room in the middle and other fish to swim around.
Achilles tangs are actually one of the most aggressive fish you can ever house in a tank. They get more and more gorgeous as they grow

 

[skate020]

haha BTLD dont worry im not rushing,
got everything going smoothly, i done a water change on saturday, will do another tomorrow because i added the lion, and then another on sat.
yes the clowns are in the QT, there soo nice, the biggest clowns i've ever seen.
Lion i think likes his new home, cant really tell, you know how lions are, they dont looked fussed where ever they are lol, he just perches on one of the rocks in there lol.
and yeh thanks crypt its 6ft long, 72".
yehh i have atm about 3 rocks in the tank because all my LR has gone into the sump, will get some more soon and will do the 2 mounds idea, will see if i can sneak a load of corals in there too, without the emp nipping them
and yeh BTLD, its been a month since i bought the lion, so its been in the QT for a month he is SOOO much fatter and healthier than what he was when i bought him
im going to add the clowns end of feb/ beginning of march, depending on nitrate levels, if i can get them down to withing around 5-15, if they shoot up from the lion, then i'll leave it a couple more months untill things settle.
after the clowns im adding the angel, around here only one shop has angels, and they only get one of each in. and its had one emp in for years, its about 7" long, cheap for the size, DEFFINATELY show size, an only £135, so if i get that, im going to double the time before the next fish goes in because a fish that size, the tank will need more time to recover.
ok cool, if i get the freckled face, it'll be after the sailfin, just befoe the eel

 

[crypt keeper]

Pictures!

 

[crypt keeper]

I just read through your thread. What is the final stock list? The issue is with the Lion. Most large angels are nippers. They will probably cause the Lion some issues. Letsg get this thing finalized.

 

[skate020]

Originally Posted by crypt keeper
http:///forum/post/3217545
I just read through your thread. What is the final stock list? The issue is with the Lion. Most large angels are nippers. They will probably cause the Lion some issues. Letsg get this thing finalized.
yehh i know but many people have got them to work, so i might aswell try, if they dont work and i start to get problems then i will probably sell the angel.
final stocklist it:
1x volians lion
2x clowns (B/W nd percula)
1x emp angel
1x sailfin tang
1x freckled face tang or achilles
1x eel (not sure wat yet, maybe goldentail?)
and i will upload sme pics soon, i need a new cable for my camera, and because of christmas its not instock, so when it is, i'll get it and upload LOADS of pictures

 

[crypt keeper]

Lion will eventually eat the male clown. They stay small. X that idea.
Achilles tangs are the probably the most aggressive fish on par with the sohal some say even more so. They two tangs are from the same family I believe. This will probably not work out. Not in a 6 foot tank. Pick one or get a Powder Blue and a yellow tang. Or get the sailfin and a Purple Tang.
Emp angel as a juvi can be placed at anytime. I would put him in first then wait a few months to get him fully established and eating. Once they are eating they are bullet proof IMO.
I hope that helps LOL.

 

[skate020]

dont worry it does help
yehh when the lion gets bigger im going to take the clowns out and put them in the 25g by themselves and try breed them, by the time the lions fully grown the 25g wont be a qt because i would have all the fish i want.
ok so if i dont get a achilles would i be able to get a sailfin and a powder blue? im not a big fan of the yellow tang cos soooo many people have one and the purple tang is too expensive for wat it is. well IMO anyways.
ok i'll try get ahold of a juvi. emp.
im sure i'll be able to get the angel onto some small ghost shrimp then onto that angel formula stuff

 

[crypt keeper]

Ghost shrimp? why? They need a sponge based diet. Get him eating anything but live food. The acclimate fast.

 

[crypt keeper]

On tangs you generally want to to stay away from the same family.

 

[skate020]

ok cool, i have the ghost shrimp for my lion, i'll try to avoid the angel eating it, yeh i have this angl formula frozen stuff from when i had my blueface, full of sponges and stuff,
its abit pricey tho, is there anything else i can use which contains the quantity of sponges needed for an angel that isnt too expensive?
sailfin and powder blue arnt same family are they?
i went to lfs today and bought a emp, lucky, they had a juvi in stock, perfect size, about 5" colour is beautiful and has no marks or w/e on him, nice and healthy
i havent got him yet, i asked them to hold him for a month. so when i put my clowns into the DT i will pick him up.
today, the lion seems ALOT more active which is good hes always been one to hide behind rocks but today hes been swimming around abit and stuff
bought some formula one flake today too, the clowns dont like the pellets so i got them the flakes and they take them nicely
still need to get this bladdy lion onto frozen tho lol,

 

[skate020]

ok having abit of a problem atm, had a ammonia spike so i put the lion back into QT.
now theres the lion and clowns in the qt.
now heres the problem, the lion is INCREDIBLY aggresive. the clowns are about the same length as him and alot fatter, and he's going for them, not trying to eat them but chasing them and i saw him at one point corner them, and stick his spike i their direction.
i got my net and spooked him away, but is there anything i can do? shall i move the lion to my 10g for a week to calm it down ?

 

[btldreef]

This is why you need to go slowly!!
What caused the ammonia spike? Did you put the lion in without testing the tank with some inverts for a CUC? I always add a CUC BEFORE a fish to make sure the cycle is over.
Anyways, can you divide the QT?
They need to learn to get along if you're planning on keeping them in the same tank in the long run.
Honestly, I would not put the lion in the DT until you can get it to eat frozen. That's just a personal opinion and just seems to make more sense to me but I have no personal experience with lions so I could be completely off. But let me explain my thoughts on this: The clowns eat frozen and flake, yes? The lion only eats live. Your tank is new, lions produce a huge bio load from what I've read. The lion could cause more problems for a new tank than clownfish would in that case. I also think it might be easier to get the lion onto frozen if he's in a smaller space? This way if he doesn't eat the live food right away, you don't have something else in your DT adding to the bio load. I could probably explain that better, but I think you see what I'm getting at.
Water changes! Start doing more water changes. I was a little weary of the nitrates still being so high in your DT and now you've got an ammonia spike. I really, really don't think you should but another fish back in this tank any time soon.
But now you've got a little bit of an issue on your hands, you've got three fish in a 20G. And one fish is attacking the other two. And you've got another fish on hold at the LFS. This is not good.
I would say to put a fish in the 10G but a lion really doesn't belong in a 10G and neither do two adult clowns. The other issues is that the 10G isn't up and running right now is it? So then you'd need to cycle again. Personally, I know the clowns are big, but I'd probably put them in there and then have them go into the DT first.
And no, sailfins and powder blues are not in the same family. Sailfins are zebrasomas (along with yellow, purple and scopus tangs). A sailfin and an achilles or a sailfin and the freckle face would be okay. Achilles can be aggressive, but I think you'd be okay since you're going to have a semi aggressive tank anyways.
As for angel food. You can look into vitamins that have sponge extract in them as well (I know that Boyd's VitaChem has sponge in it, that's why I use it). Hikari makes a good frozen angel food that your other fish will eat as well. I really like San Francisco Bay Brand Emerald Entree, but I don't know how readily available that will be for you. My fish prefer it as well. Honestly, you may want to post a thread and as what people feed their angels.

 

[crypt keeper]

how long was the tank cycling? An ammonia spike could be from food rotting away that was eatin. Do you see any? The lion will kill those clowns if he feels that threatened. You have a Home Depot or Lowes type of store near by? You can buy a divider and place it in the tank.
The clowns and lion probably wont work get ready for a seperate tank.
Angels dont eat just sponge foods. Emp Angels must have a variety in their diet. Meaty foods are a must. I said Ghost shrimp meaning dont get an animal used to eat live foods. Not a good thing. Feed the emp sponge based diet 3 times a week. Then meaty foods and algaes. Feed 3 times a day. As juvis they need it. Mine grew 2 to 3 inches in less than a year feeding heavy. He was growing like a weed and changing every few weeks.
5 inch emp isnt really a juvi. I was talking more like 3 inches.
Clowns need meaty foods as well. Get some Mysis shrimp. Cant go wrong with it. If You can buy PE Mysis that would be best for everybody including the Lion.
I would place a Sailfin and a Powder blue in a 6 foot tank along with an emp and lion. Your stocklist is the size of a 240 8 footer.

 

[skate020]

their still alive now thank god, ever since i chased him away the lion hasnt gone near the clowns.
i think it could of been someleft over food from the lion that ive missed that caused the spike.
the tank was cycling for about a month, with a 5 day period where everything was at 0 except nitrate wich was at 20.
i done an ammonia test today after a water change and its gone down a lil bit.
i've got a ton of frozen food aswell, like cockles and lance fish. and the stuff i use atm for my angel is called ocean nutrient angel formula, aparantly its good.
im feeding atm, really finly chopped up meat with some water and some chopped up garlic, i mix it all together and syringe it into the tank.
i will stop the angel from eating any live food whe i get him.
and i know the guy who owns the fish shop a lil bit and can get him to hold the emp for me for another month if neccessary.
he said he's keeping extra care on it.
i think im going to get a divider and put the lion in a space by himself with some lava rock for him to claim.
ok well i'll have a think of another stocklist. i dont want to ruin this so off top of my head would thi work?
1x volitans
2x clowns
1x emp
1x lunare wrasse
1x zebra eel
1x cleaner wrasse.
then as a CUC just a few snails.
i current havent got a CUC i totally forgot about them so im going to run out and buy a few snails now lol.
i think ive got this under control now

 

[skate020]

you lot think that black sand would look cool in here?

 

[btldreef]

Originally Posted by skate020
http:///forum/post/3220143
you lot think that black sand would look cool in here?

Be careful with which black sand you go with. Mine is nowhere near as black as I thought it would be and no it's just icky gray in my 14G. Caribsea makes a really nice black sand.