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darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314922
Yea. What did you read into it? If AIG pays back their portion of the loan, it may put the entire TARP program back in the black. What negative spin can you put on that?
You do not read very well.
The story and scenario does NOT just hinge on if AIG pays back their loan. There is more to it that has to happen...and they are still projecting a potentially 50 billion dollar LOSS on the program.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39435027/ns/business-us_business
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3314934
You do not read very well.
The story and scenario does NOT just hinge on if AIG pays back their loan. There is more to it that has to happen...and they are still projecting a potentially 50 billion dollar LOSS on the program.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39435027/ns/business-us_business
And how much money would the economy have lost if the TARP funds were never used to help AIG and all the other banks it assisted? You could take the Capitalistic approach of "let them fail", but how many more jobs would've been lost, and what would've been the reaction from the public when they began seeing bank after bank failing around the country? Isn't this what ended up happening in the 20's that was a catalyst of the Great Depression?
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3314934
You do not read very well.
The story and scenario does NOT just hinge on if AIG pays back their loan. There is more to it that has to happen...and they are still projecting a potentially 50 billion dollar LOSS on the program.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39435027/ns/business-us_business
Darth I'm going to have to call foul here on you. Everybody knows that good conservative folk are only capable of posting links to Faux News. What the heck are you doing linking to MSNBC? Surely this is not the behavior of a lead elephant and after all the bad words about MSNBC how can I possibly trust such a bias news source. LOL
Fishtaco
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3314946
Darth I'm going to have to call foul here on you. Everybody knows that good conservative folk are only capable of posting links to Faux News. What the heck are you doing linking to MSNBC? Surely this is not the behavior of a lead elephant and after all the bad words about MSNBC how can I possibly trust such a bias news source. LOL
Fishtaco
I will let you in on a little secret.........
I read news from everyone. Fox news probably less than the others. To beat an enemy one must know the enemy....lol
Also, if you notice both bionic's story and my story are from the same network on the same day.....amazing how each takes a little different vein....
Seriously, i am probably not as conservative as some think. When it comes to budget and such, definitely.
When it comes to defense and "the war machine", definitely. We should always be ahead of everyone else in this regard.
Abortion, not an issue for me. shows me the thought process behind the politician, but it is not a deciding factor if other things are in line.
Gay marriage...I could careless either way...This is made an issue when it doesn't need to be. especially by those for and against...neither is willing to reach a compromise.
social funding...yeah I am conservative....Since age 16 I have never been without a job and live within my means....don't understand how others can't.I can understand the need for unemployment, but active welfare I can not.
I voted for Clinton once.....
Gun rights...I support but with a twist. If you want to own a gun you should be willing to defend your country and do 4 years in the national guard and after that join a state sponsored militia.You should be enrolled in a "draft" which can be pulled up in time of war. Gun owners would be the first drafted. It is your right to bear arms...but the constitution also states you should be part of the militia.
My biggest pet peeve has been the budget though. while not great under bush I realized the deficit would reduce greatly after the wars were finished. Under Obama, I see no such defecit reduction. And don't get me wrong, Bush was spending like a drunkin sailor.
People call the tea party far-right...I look at the tea party as the engine driving the republicans back to fiscal management and responsibility. Whether it lasts or not I do not know. but if even for a short time I can only see it benefiting. Honestly I would prefer if it was an actual political party. Then you would see if it truly had any legs.
I am not anti-democrat, i actually think on many levels Clinton did some good things. And in hindsight he did some bad things. But as a leader, I felt he did his job good. Obama still has yet to gain a measure of my respect. I hear condecention when he talks about peoplee that don't support his policies. With Clinton I didn't hear this. i think that is the biggest problem for Obama, his tone, and how he reacts towards those that oppose him. If Obama was impeached, do you think he would handle it as well as Clinton did...what about some other scandal.
Perception is 9/10 of the truth.
Compare Obama's reactions and how he handles himself to the last 5 presidents......You just might see a difference.
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3314952
I will let you in on a little secret.........
I read news from everyone. Fox news probably less than the others. To beat an enemy one must know the enemy....lol
Also, if you notice both bionic's story and my story are from the same network on the same day.....amazing how each takes a little different vein....
Seriously, i am probably not as conservative as some think. When it comes to budget and such, definitely.
When it comes to defense and "the war machine", definitely. We should always be ahead of everyone else in this regard.
Abortion, not an issue for me. shows me the thought process behind the politician, but it is not a deciding factor if other things are in line.
Gay marriage...I could careless either way...This is made an issue when it doesn't need to be. especially by those for and against...neither is willing to reach a compromise.
social funding...yeah I am conservative....Since age 16 I have never been without a job and live within my means....don't understand how others can't.I can understand the need for unemployment, but active welfare I can not.
I voted for Clinton once.....
Gun rights...I support but with a twist. If you want to own a gun you should be willing to defend your country and do 4 years in the national guard and after that join a state sponsored militia.You should be enrolled in a "draft" which can be pulled up in time of war. Gun owners would be the first drafted. It is your right to bear arms...but the constitution also states you should be part of the militia.
My biggest pet peeve has been the budget though. while not great under bush I realized the deficit would reduce greatly after the wars were finished. Under Obama, I see no such defecit reduction. And don't get me wrong, Bush was spending like a drunkin sailor.
People call the tea party far-right...I look at the tea party as the engine driving the republicans back to fiscal management and responsibility. Whether it lasts or not I do not know. but if even for a short time I can only see it benefiting. Honestly I would prefer if it was an actual political party. Then you would see if it truly had any legs.
I am not anti-democrat, i actually think on many levels Clinton did some good things. And in hindsight he did some bad things. But as a leader, I felt he did his job good. Obama still has yet to gain a measure of my respect. I hear condecention when he talks about peoplee that don't support his policies. With Clinton I didn't hear this. i think that is the biggest problem for Obama, his tone, and how he reacts towards those that oppose him. If Obama was impeached, do you think he would handle it as well as Clinton did...what about some other scandal.
Perception is 9/10 of the truth.
Compare Obama's reactions and how he handles himself to the last 5 presidents......You just might see a difference.
I was just joking with you Darth, I agree with most of your views actually. But you have to ask yourself, you might vote for a conservative or Tea Party canidate, but would they vote for you based on the above views you posted? My honest answer would be no and really you seem pretty moderate by todays standards.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3314960
I was just joking with you Darth, I agree with most of your views actually. But you have to ask yourself, you might vote for a conservative or Tea Party canidate, but would they vote for you based on the above views you posted? My honest answer would be no and really you seem pretty moderate by todays standards.
And see, you call me moderate...yet I didn't vote Mccain as many of his past views and actions are "moderate". Bionic calls Obama a Centrist, which is no different than a moderate. Yet neither one of these guys do I feel are even close to my views as I know I am further right than they are....
This is the problem. we have a habit of creating labels for people. What exactly defines a moderate? what defines moderate for you will n ot define it for me.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315227
Looks like the Progressives/Democrats aren't 'hiding' any longer. By the looks of the video, their rally seems to have more particpants than this Beck "Whatever For America" had.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39474438/ns/politics/?GT1=43001
LOL, let the debate on how many people actually showed up begin. One thing for sure, the Dems seem to be giving out November suprises a little early this year.
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315227
Looks like the Progressives/Democrats aren't 'hiding' any longer. By the looks of the video, their rally seems to have more particpants than this Beck "Whatever For America" had.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39474438/ns/politics/?GT1=43001
LOL! You are basing that on what? That video doesn't show crap. The Beck rally was so packed the people were out beyond the trees. Lets see if the have pictures that show this same shot

 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315241
LOL! You are basing that on what? That video doesn't show crap. The Beck rally was so packed the people were out beyond the trees. Lets see if the have pictures that show this same shot


Meh.....without beer and a couple thousand hibachi BBQ's going both events look like a waste of time, I don't see the smoke from even one BBQ in either picture so I am not sure if any "real Americans" showed up at all.
Fishtaco
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315241
LOL! You are basing that on what? That video doesn't show crap. The Beck rally was so packed the people were out beyond the trees. Lets see if the have pictures that show this same shot


Come one. Those pictures are from Obama's Inaguration.

On seconfd thought, they probably are from Beck's rally. How many black people and other minorities do you see in your little close-up shot?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315260
Come one. Those pictures are from Obama's Inaguration.

On seconfd thought, they probably are from Beck's rally. How many black people and other minorities do you see in your little close-up shot?

Nice attempt at the redirect but where are the shots showing the concentration at the Lib rally? According to the AP it wasn't as big a crowd but I guess they are just saying what Faux tells them right?
I know why they didn't show a lot of closeups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded
This aint your daddy's Democrat party
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315351
Nice attempt at the redirect but where are the shots showing the concentration at the Lib rally? According to the AP it wasn't as big a crowd but I guess they are just saying what Faux tells them right?
I know why they didn't show a lot of closeups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded
This aint your daddy's Democrat party
Why does it matter, is politics about which far-right or far-left political pundit can draw the biggest crowd? Yep that is the best way to fill out a ballot fer sure........
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315356
Why does it matter, is politics about which far-right or far-left political pundit can draw the biggest crowd? Yep that is the best way to fill out a ballot fer sure........
You notice I didn't say one was bigger than the other? I just found it humorous that Bionic looked at an isolated crowd shot and claimed it was larger. I'd say the crowd size would be a indication of who will be filling out those ballots come November.
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315358
You notice I didn't say one was bigger than the other? I just found it humorous that Bionic looked at an isolated crowd shot and claimed it was larger. I'd say the crowd size would be a indication of who will be filling out those ballots come November.
I don't know, a nice fall day and I would think most sane people would rather catch a college football game or like I did today, mow the lawn and BBQ rather than attend a political rally. So maybe the larger amount of people at the Beck/Palin rally is an indication of that. LOL
Seriously though, attending political rallies is pretty far down the list for me and I still plan on voting even though it seems like the Tea Party are the only ones whose votes count lately.
Fishtaco
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315358
You notice I didn't say one was bigger than the other? I just found it humorous that Bionic looked at an isolated crowd shot and claimed it was larger. I'd say the crowd size would be a indication of who will be filling out those ballots come November.
I'm just throwing a jab out at all these people who follow along like lemmings with any of these media morons. Of course the Beck rally grew larger grounds. Who wouldn't want to travel all the way to Washington to see Beck and his lackey Sarah Palin live?
Go interview people from both rallys and see whp traveled the farthest to get there. Ninety percent of the people that showed up to either were locals. I personally don't base my political decisions on the attendance of some rally by a bunch of DC residents.
 
mantisman51

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I agree, I've only been to one political rally and that was in support of our state, but I do intend to vote this year. I want to see Pelosi and Ried and all the phony "independent" democratics ( : like Gabriel Giffords thrown out, but I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that says the average American still doesn't trust the bought and paid for by Wall Street republicans enough to vote them in en masse. They are the lesser of two evils, but at this point, what difference does it make? The republicans will continue to give tax breaks to multinationals to export the few remaining manufacturing jobs overseas and give more power and influence to the big banks. The democratics ( : will continue to spend us into oblivion and keep grabbing power from the citizenry and give it to bureaucrats. Thanks to republicans we are slaves to the banks, and we have to give them our taxes to bail them out in addition to their outrageous interest and fees. Thanks to the democrats idiots who paid 3x what their house was worth are being bailed out by my taxes. So, come to think of it, why am I voting again? Maybe not.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315378
I'm just throwing a jab out at all these people who follow along like lemmings with any of these media morons. Of course the Beck rally grew larger grounds. Who wouldn't want to travel all the way to Washington to see Beck and his lackey Sarah Palin live?
Go interview people from both rallys and see whp traveled the farthest to get there. Ninety percent of the people that showed up to either were locals. I personally don't base my political decisions on the attendance of some rally by a bunch of DC residents.
Oh really, all locals? I don't know what the percentages were but there were bus caravans from all over the country that went to the Beck rally. A large one from right there in Texas.
I base my political opinion on what I think, not some party or politician telling me what to think. It's just pretty cool to see so many people who have a lot of the same ideas and beliefs as me banding together at such a large event.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/360#post_3315380
I agree, I've only been to one political rally and that was in support of our state, but I do intend to vote this year. I want to see Pelosi and Ried and all the phony "independent" democratics ( : like Gabriel Giffords thrown out, but I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach that says the average American still doesn't trust the bought and paid for by Wall Street republicans enough to vote them in en masse. They are the lesser of two evils, but at this point, what difference does it make? The republicans will continue to give tax breaks to multinationals to export the few remaining manufacturing jobs overseas and give more power and influence to the big banks. The democratics ( : will continue to spend us into oblivion and keep grabbing power from the citizenry and give it to bureaucrats. Thanks to republicans we are slaves to the banks, and we have to give them our taxes to bail them out in addition to their outrageous interest and fees. Thanks to the democrats idiots who paid 3x what their house was worth are being bailed out by my taxes. So, come to think of it, why am I voting again? Maybe not.
I think the difference is people are looking for a way to stop Obama's radical agenda and want to see Republicans control congress to do so. I just hope if they gain control they have learned their lesson and will act like conservatives.
 
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