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darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/320#post_3314449
Isn't that already defined in the Dictionary of Saltwaterfish.com? You and I can disagree all day what would be considered "far left" and "far right". You think a lot of Obama's policies are "far left", but they are actually Centrist in nature. You think they are 'left' because they go against your 'far right' belief structure. You say Po-Tay-Toe, I say Po-Tah-Toe. Both refer to the same vegatable, but you'll still have an argument over the correct pronunciation of the word.
This is not a hard question to answer. what policies or beliefs make someone far- right? How about far-left? I am asking YOUR perceptions.
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314654
This is not a hard question to answer. what policies or beliefs make someone far- right? How about far-left? I am asking YOUR perceptions.
Easy, someone who keeps cheerleading for their party even when they are clearly wrong and can't step back and take a look a the big picture. I tried to answer your question about politicians I like or respect and have to say after much reflection all I can say is I am coming to understand about myself that I really don't like the "Man" period.
Fishtaco
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/320#post_3314620
And if both car companies had been allowed to go bankrupt both would have been bought. Difference being both wouldn't owe the federal government billions right now and the unions would have taken a loss along with the stock and bond holders. What did the UAW union pay for their Majority stake in Chrysler?
Oh, I do invest in businesses and I would never be dumb enough to knowingly invest in one that was breaking the law, a good company can compete without cheating and the risk isn't worth it.
Actually, I think GM and Chrysler were talking about merging before the bailout opportunities came up. Both GM and Chrysler were putting feelers out for takeovers before they asked for assistance from the Feds. No one was biting at the time.
You won't get any arguments from me about the UAW. They're the main reason the Big 3 US automotive companies failed in the first place. If it wasn't for hugh unreasonable demands, it was calling month-long strikes to try and get what they wanted. A janitor cleaning toilets would get the same pay and benefits as a manager or guy working on the line. Not to mention the pensions and retirement packages. A retired UAW employee has better benefits than a Congressman in Washington. Toyota and Honda keeping unions out of their plants was the smartest move they ever made. Hence why they are still in business and doing pretty good in the US and Worldwide markets.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314679
Actually, I think GM and Chrysler were talking about merging before the bailout opportunities came up. Both GM and Chrysler were putting feelers out for takeovers before they asked for assistance from the Feds. No one was biting at the time.
You won't get any arguments from me about the UAW. They're the main reason the Big 3 US automotive companies failed in the first place. If it wasn't for hugh unreasonable demands, it was calling month-long strikes to try and get what they wanted. A janitor cleaning toilets would get the same pay and benefits as a manager or guy working on the line. Not to mention the pensions and retirement packages. A retired UAW employee has better benefits than a Congressman in Washington. Toyota and Honda keeping unions out of their plants was the smartest move they ever made. Hence why they are still in business and doing pretty good in the US and Worldwide markets.
There was just a sting by a local news station on some workers. They have them on tape going from work to a park on their lunch hour where they are drinking and smoking pot. The workers got fired as a result but the good ol UAW is fighting for their jobs.
Heard another one where a guy had requested vacation. His supervisor declined the request for the time he wanted so he goes to work, clocks in then proceeds to announce that if they needed him he's be at the bar down the street. Because of union rules his punishment was 30 days suspension, WITH PAY. I love Fords but I have bought my last union built vehicle.
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314685
Given all the info we had at the time only the serious wack jobs opposed the war. Once there what would you have us do, walk away and leave Iraq with no government?
You have missed the point entirely, once we the people found out about the "mistake", some still support the policy and defend it with other reasons for invasion, others are able to say we were wrong, but we still need to support the troops and understand we can not just leave. Darth wanted an example of supporting a policy that is wrong strictly because it lines up with your party and that was the first thing that springs to mind. Guess which position I would call a moderate view point and which one is an example of far-out wing politics.
There where a lot of serious whack-jobs that opposed the war in Eugene, mostly old hippies from the 60's who still remembered Vietnam and as far as I am concerned this is one time the far-left had a pretty solid victory.
I would also say that the "death panel" and birther stuff is also a good example of someone being dead wrong on a subject and still supporting it.
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314693
You have missed the point entirely, once we the people found out about the "mistake", some still support the policy and defend it with other reasons for invasion, others are able to say we were wrong, but we still need to support the troops and understand we can not just leave. Darth wanted an example of supporting a policy that is wrong strictly because it lines up with your party and that was the first thing that springs to mind. Guess which position I would call a moderate view point and which one is an example of far-out wing politics.
There where a lot of serious whack-jobs that opposed the war in Eugene, mostly old hippies from the 60's who still remembered Vietnam and as far as I am concerned this is one time the far-left had a pretty solid victory.
I would also say that the "death panel" and birther stuff is also a good example of someone being dead wrong on a subject and still supporting it.
Fishtaco
Nobody was "right" on the war. With what we knew at the time, Hussein supporting west bank terrorist, looking for ways to make terrorist style strikes against the US as well as numerous violations of UN sanctions and with the oil for food abuses something needed to be done. The real mistake occurred after Russia fell and we gutted human intelligence. Had we still been strong in the spy game we would likely have know what happened to Iraq'a WMD and could have deal with Iraq's violations in a different manner.
I don't buy into the birther crap BUT when were they PROVEN wrong? If Obama produced a copy of his birth certificate the issue would be resolved. Hes intentionally not doing that because having kooks attacking you for absurd reasons can be used to your political advantage. The death panel stuff was in fact true although it didn't end up in the final bill.
 
fishtaco

fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314722
Nobody was "right" on the war. With what we knew at the time, Hussein supporting west bank terrorist, looking for ways to make terrorist style strikes against the US as well as numerous violations of UN sanctions and with the oil for food abuses something needed to be done. The real mistake occurred after Russia fell and we gutted human intelligence. Had we still been strong in the spy game we would likely have know what happened to Iraq'a WMD and could have deal with Iraq's violations in a different manner.
I don't buy into the birther crap BUT when were they PROVEN wrong? If Obama produced a copy of his birth certificate the issue would be resolved. Hes intentionally not doing that because having kooks attacking you for absurd reasons can be used to your political advantage. The death panel stuff was in fact true although it didn't end up in the final bill.
I rest my case and think I have proven my point with your response. Good old Reefraff always has my back around here. LOL
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314735
I rest my case and think I have proven my point with your response. Good old Reefraff always has my back around here. LOL
Fishtaco
Not really. Given the available information at the time we should have taken military action against Iraq long before we did. Going to war wasn't wrong, depleting our human intelligence resources to the point a tin pot dictator could convince us, as well as the rest of the world he still had WMD's was the mistake. Once we hit Iraqi soil we had no choice but to finish the job. My only issue with Bush was when he said knowing what we know now he would have done the same thing. I do not agree with that but you also couldn't put the genie back in the bottle so it doesn't matter.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/380296/tea-party-movement/340#post_3314693
You have missed the point entirely, once we the people found out about the "mistake", some still support the policy and defend it with other reasons for invasion, others are able to say we were wrong, but we still need to support the troops and understand we can not just leave. Darth wanted an example of supporting a policy that is wrong strictly because it lines up with your party and that was the first thing that springs to mind. Guess which position I would call a moderate view point and which one is an example of far-out wing politics.
There where a lot of serious whack-jobs that opposed the war in Eugene, mostly old hippies from the 60's who still remembered Vietnam and as far as I am concerned this is one time the far-left had a pretty solid victory.
I would also say that the "death panel" and birther stuff is also a good example of someone being dead wrong on a subject and still supporting it.
Fishtaco
One issue does not make someone far right or far left.....This is my point.....I know a few democrats that support the Iraq war......Yet voted for Obama....
 
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