There is no such thing as good versus evil

darknes

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I think what Rylan1 was getting at is that Jews, Catholics, Christians, and Muslims all originated on the same beliefs. All the religions believe in the parts of the Old Testament including Adam, Moses, and Abraham, but the religions have all stemmed on different views of the Old Testament and their beliefs in who the true "messiah" is.
It amazes me that religions with such similar foundations can have so much hatred toward one another.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Darknes
I think what Rylan1 was getting at is that Jews, Catholics, Christians, and Muslims all originated on the same beliefs. All the religions believe in the parts of the Old Testament including Adam, Moses, and Abraham, but the religions have all stemmed on different views of the Old Testament and their beliefs in who the true "messiah" is.
It amazes me that religions with such similar foundations can have so much hatred toward one another.
It is rather mind boggling that Christians and Muslims who believe in the same GOD have spent the last couple of thousand years killing each other over ...... i dont really know.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
It is rather mind boggling that Christians and Muslims who believe in the same GOD have spent the last couple of thousand years killing each other over ...... i dont really know.
The devil is in the details, so to speak...
While it is true that Christian, Jewish and Muslims all trace their religion back to Abraham, each has their own view of "God".
 

clown boy

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You all REALLY need to do your research. And I mean ALL of you.
The Bible does not contradict itself. I'm not going to bother to explain everything... like I said, do your research.
The Bible was written by men, yes. But it was written by men who had talked to God face-to-face and He chose to write his law. I think it was important enough for him to make sure it was accurate. Again, do your research.
God's Basic Moral Law, the Ten Commandments were engraved in stone with His very own hand. These were read, copied, and passed down to what we have today. Today's copies have been compared to the original texts and have been found accurate. Again, do your research.
We do not follow the Lord because it is comforting. We follow him because he loves us, is our creator, and sent his son to die for us to take away our sins. Comfort has nothing to do with it. Yet again, do your research.
I have a question for you all... Why is it wrong to commit adultery? I would answer by saying that it is wrong because marriage is God's holy ordinance to ensure clean, hassle-free pro-creation of mankind. Anything outside of that is wrong.
Now you people who say "no" to God can only give philosophical answers to that question.
I'm curious how YOU would answer that question...
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
The devil is in the details, so to speak...
While it is true that Christian, Jewish and Muslims all trace their religion back to Abraham, each has their own view of "God".
But arent all the conceptions of HIM as a Loveing,Careing,Peacful GOD? Thats the mind boggleing part for me.
 

seasalt101

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
But arent all the conceptions of HIM as a Loveing,Careing,Peacful GOD? Thats the mind boggleing part for me.
in my opinion God is all encompassing all aspects he has destroyed his enemies, their is the vengeance, he has shown compassion towards the small creatures, ie: the lost sheep, he is the shepard, he can show total anilation, the flood of Noah, he has shown the greatest love in his giving his own son's life for us, so we can be saved and have great rewards for us in heaven just for believing that and then us being the best person we know how to be God is everything we were made in his image it is what we do with our lives that dictate our reward or our punishment good or evil which is it?...tobin
 

jmick

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Clown Boy said:
I have a question for you all... Why is it wrong to commit adultery? I would answer by saying that it is wrong because marriage is God's holy ordinance to ensure clean, hassle-free pro-creation of mankind. Anything outside of that is wrong.QUOTE]
It's wrong on so many levels that have nothing to do with god.
1) you risk getting a VD and passing it along to your spouse
2) you made a commitment to love a person and said a vow before them to love and cherish them and only them (before god or at a civil ceremony it matter little).
3) you risk ruining your marriage and splintering your family (not good for financial reasons and bad for kids).
4) It's generally wrong to sneak around a lie to others about what you are doing...spouse and the person you are doing it with.
Answer me this, if marriage is so sacred then why do almost 50% of christians get divorced?
 

aztec reef

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The bible its just a fairy story to help you find your inner self.. You cannot crack its code until you look at it scientifically..plus the bible isn't the only Word of God.. there's many bibles out there, all the way from ancient history.
How do you guys know if the Christian Holy Bible is the right one? since it looks so similar to others..
Bibles which were all written by man, who claim to be prophets of God or though they had special powers back them..
"I have a question for you all... Why is it wrong to commit adultery? I would answer by saying that it is wrong because marriage is God's holy ordinance to ensure clean, hassle-free pro-creation of mankind. Anything outside of that is wrong".

According to God everything that is a LIE is a Sin.. Humans will be evil if that's what you project to them.. If someone treats you nice you tend to treat them nice right? Now if someone treaded you like crap, How do you think you would react to others and the whole world?..
The 10 commandments was written by "political people". so was the bible. they're laws that has shape human-kind for milleniums..people were really naive back them and actually believe everything said.. Although the bible was an Ingenious idea to help control chaos on planet earth...
Since the Bible speaks good, it must be true right? Just imagine if there was no bible.. Earth would be at the Armagedon right now(humans woudn't exist) because evil would rule since there is no bible..No good scriptures..
There's has to be Good vs. Evil in order to have "Good" moral values. And keep evil population,crime,sins,lies,adultery and any other forms of sins that you can think of at a low rate..
GOOD+love+bible= GOD
BAD+hate+lies+sins= EVIL
 

clown boy

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Originally Posted by Jmick
Answer me this, if marriage is so sacred then why do almost 50% of christians get divorced?
No... it's 50% of those who CLAIM to be Christians...
 

clown boy

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Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
The bible its just a fairy story to help you find your inner self.. You cannot crack its code until you look at it scientifically..plus the bible isn't the only Word of God.. there's many bibles out there, all the way from ancient history.
How do you guys know if the Christian Holy Bible is the right one? since it looks so similar to others..
Bibles which were all written by man, who claim to be prophets of God or though they had special powers back them..
"I have a question for you all... Why is it wrong to commit adultery? I would answer by saying that it is wrong because marriage is God's holy ordinance to ensure clean, hassle-free pro-creation of mankind. Anything outside of that is wrong".

According to God everything that is a LIE is a Sin.. Humans will be evil if that's what you project to them.. If someone treats you nice you tend to treat them nice right? Now if someone treaded you like crap, How do you think you would react to others and the whole world?..
The 10 commandments was written by "political people". so was the bible. they're laws that has shape human-kind for milleniums..people were really naive back them and actually believe everything said.. Although the bible was an Ingenious idea to help control chaos on planet earth...
Since the Bible speaks good, it must be true right? Just imagine if there was no bible.. Earth would be at the Armagedon right now(humans woudn't exist) because evil would rule since there is no bible..No good scriptures..
There's has to be Good vs. Evil in order to have "Good" moral values. And keep evil population,crime,sins,lies,adultery and any other forms of sins that you can think of at a low rate..
GOOD+love+bible= GOD
BAD+hate+lies+sins= EVIL
Have you ever heard of Dr. Kent Hovind? Google his name, and find the articles... he adrresses these questions.
The Bible was written by political people? You badly need to do your research...
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
No... it's 50% of those who CLAIM to be Christians...
lol, then there are a lot of false christians out there...is it hard to go to church and have them sit in the pew next to you?
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jmick
lol, then there are a lot of false christians out there...is it hard to go to church and have them sit in the pew next to you?
There was only ONE who was perfect.
 

darknes

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
There was only ONE who was perfect.

Actually, there are only TWO that were without sin.
 

m0nk

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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
You all REALLY need to do your research. And I mean ALL of you.
The Bible does not contradict itself. I'm not going to bother to explain everything... like I said, do your research.
The Bible was written by men, yes. But it was written by men who had talked to God face-to-face and He chose to write his law. I think it was important enough for him to make sure it was accurate. Again, do your research.
God's Basic Moral Law, the Ten Commandments were engraved in stone with His very own hand. These were read, copied, and passed down to what we have today. Today's copies have been compared to the original texts and have been found accurate. Again, do your research.
We do not follow the Lord because it is comforting. We follow him because he loves us, is our creator, and sent his son to die for us to take away our sins. Comfort has nothing to do with it. Yet again, do your research.
I have a question for you all... Why is it wrong to commit adultery? I would answer by saying that it is wrong because marriage is God's holy ordinance to ensure clean, hassle-free pro-creation of mankind. Anything outside of that is wrong.
Now you people who say "no" to God can only give philosophical answers to that question.
I'm curious how YOU would answer that question...
Thought I'd touch on these comments a bit, considering some of it has some personal bearing in my life here....
First, just need to make this distinction; "But it was written by men who had talked to God face-to-face and He chose to write his law." This quote is flawed, and no matter how much "research" one does isn't going to make it any less so. It's a matter of faith, not fact.
Now, on to the part that personally affects me and gives me some sadness to see brought up here. "Why is it wrong to commit adultery?" God "deciding" that this is wrong doesn't make it so. All of the negative possible impacts make it wrong. It doesn't take a God to decide that it rips families apart; it doesn't take a God to determine that an adulterer has no true commitment to a marriage; it doesn't take a God to realize that someone who commits this heinous act brings danger to their child (or children) by introducing another (I say another because the "cheater" is one as well, of course) flawed character into the mix. I'd also think that a God wouldn't pass along STD's (at least not according most people in the modern religions) in this sort of situation, but you know it happens.
My own marriage was destroyed because my (now ex-)wife decided that she'd rather spend her time (that she claimed was with friends) sleeping with another man, someone who wasn't the most savory of characters, while I was home with our wonderful 1 year old son. Luckily nothing horrific happened in that situation, like the other guy being a serious pervert or having an STD. But in the end it's just me and my son now, and he only sees his mother every so often. So this is why it's wrong. Would you consider this merely a "philosophical" response?
After the whole divorce experience I found peace with the Buddhist views that have helped me move on in a beneficial way (though "her" Karma's not doing so well atm). My son benefits from what I've learned as well and we're doing great together. Point is, your God's commandments or whatever are basically guidelines for how to be a decent person, based on real life consequences of one's actions.
 

clown boy

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Originally Posted by Jmick
lol, then there are a lot of false christians out there...is it hard to go to church and have them sit in the pew next to you?
You have no idea just how accurate that statement is. You probably have heard non-Christians say that the church is full of hypocrites. They are absolutely right...
 

clown boy

Active Member
If the Bible isn't truly God's word, than how are we supposed to know what He wants?
It just isn't sensible to say that God doesn't care if we decide to follow him or not...
 

jovial

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Belief transcends science, thats why it's called faith. Either you have it or you do not. The science created by man has never been able to answer the most profound questions of human existence.
I dont think anyone will be able to prove you right or wrong. If your looking for proof or your decision to belief is based on a set of rules or guidelines the search may be a long one or never happen at all. IMO the relationship with God is one of a personal and spiritual nature and isnt defined by what is written by man.
 
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huskychasrs

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This is nothing more than Rick's take on things.
Yes I believe in God and Jesus and a higher place.
I also watch science to see where we're headed.
Maybe just maybe it all merges somewhere, somehow.
I also happen to believe in UFO's other planets, and things that go bump in the night.
Most everyone here is at least high school educated, remember back to biology...every test had a control. Has anyone ever wondered if this planet was the test or the control.
 
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