unions

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2878588
i know this is off topic, but would that be clinton power plant
Im not sure what plant it is Fish i havent looked into it yet.I know it will be a tough job to get because of all the layoffs.If it keeps i may go down to San Antonio for awhile and see if i can grow the Carpenters Union in Texas lol. And visit with my family see what i can drum up down there.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2878492
Not as well as they are BUT RIGHT UP THERE. Sam Walton was NOT AN IDIOT HE KNEW THAT HAVING CONTROL OF THE DRIVERS WOULD LOWER HIS TRANSPORTATION COSTS WHEN HE STARTED THE TRUCKING SIDE HE HAD 20 STAORS AND ONE DC HE PAID THE DRIVERS VERY WELL THEN AND KEPT IT UP EVEN BEYOND WHAT THE BEST OTR CARRIERS PAY OR WOULD THINK OF PAYING. YET THE STORE EMPLOYEES ARE THE ONES THAT THE UNIONS GO AFTER WRONG END TO DO SO THEY MAY BE THE FACE BUT WITHOUT THE BONES AND MUSCLE BEHIND IT WAL MART WOULD BE SMALLER THAN KOHLS.
Why does every post you make in this thread require caps? Just curious.

 

[ironeagle2006]

I am one of the Biggest anti Union people you will ever find. No person in their right mind is worth 70-80 bucks to mow the Grass. Yet the UAW insists that an outside contracter can not do the work that would save GM over a 5 million bucks at their plants because it would bust the union. Or we have the fact thaty if layoffs happen GM FORD AND CHRYLSEr all have to pay the avarage UAW worker 2 full years of wages and benefits at 95% of what that person made. That right there is utter BS. You can say that Unions labor is better than non union sorry have worked both and was happier NON UNION myself. I did not have to carry the load of 2 idiots that barely knew which end of the wrench was used to tighten bolts yet worked there because the Union SAID THEY COULD NOT BE FIRED.

 

[fish master]

so its not ok for the worker to make 70 hr, but its ok for the ceos to make millions pay and millions bonus. sounds fair to me (nottt)

 

[fish master]

the guy from chrysler got 250 million dollar bonus when he got fired from home depot. how can anyone tell me that the unions are the ones getting over payed. tell me how 1 guy is worth 250 million dollars.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2878669
so its not ok for the worker to make 70 hr, but its ok for the ceos to make millions pay and millions bonus. sounds fair to me (nottt)
Once again, the thread is about unions, not CEOs. And no where in his post did he say CEOs deserve the pay they get, ....Until someone says a ceo deserves a 50 million per year salary or bonus your rebuttal can not be used.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2878676
the guy from chrysler got 250 million dollar bonus when he got fired from home depot. how can anyone tell me that the unions are the ones getting over payed. tell me how 1 guy is worth 250 million dollars.
I doubt you will have anyone here say he was worth that much.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/2878666
I am one of the Biggest anti Union people you will ever find. No person in their right mind is worth 70-80 bucks to mow the Grass. Yet the UAW insists that an outside contracter can not do the work that would save GM over a 5 million bucks at their plants because it would bust the union. Or we have the fact thaty if layoffs happen GM FORD AND CHRYLSEr all have to pay the avarage UAW worker 2 full years of wages and benefits at 95% of what that person made. That right there is utter BS. You can say that Unions labor is better than non union sorry have worked both and was happier NON UNION myself. I did not have to carry the load of 2 idiots that barely knew which end of the wrench was used to tighten bolts yet worked there because the Union SAID THEY COULD NOT BE FIRED.
Isnt it wonderful to live in America, King Anti-Union?Im glad your happy and hope you have good insurance and a nice pension waiting for you at the end of your working days to supplement your SS benefits if there is any left for you.I hope when you get to be a nice ripe old age of 40 your employer dosent replace you with a younger guy,i hope your never hurt on the job because of lax safety,i hope if you do you have life insurance for your family ,and i hope your job isnt outsourced to Pedro and Ivan. I know us idiots arent worried about it.
Good Luck to you.

 

[fish master]

the one ceo that made 250 million. lets see,if uaw worker makes 70 hr usually half of that is health welfare, retirement, so lets say he gets 35 hr on his that is check. that is 72,800 a year. so for one ceo you could pay 3434 uaw workers for a year. and the unions are overpayed. that is bull

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2878693
the one ceo that made 250 million. lets see,if uaw worker makes 70 hr usually half of that is health welfare, retirement, so lets say he gets 35 hr on his that is check. that is 72,800 a year. so for one ceo you could pay 3434 uaw workers for a year. and the unions are overpayed. that is bull
When you make 60 an hour and someone else non union gets 23 an hour for the same job, then you are overpaid. You are comparing apples and watermelons when comparing blue collar with CEOs.

 

[fish master]

unions have health insurance. they have retirements.that is one of the topics the president and president elect talk about, how everyone should have health insurance. the unions have done that for the worker. and how could you not compare uaw to ceos,we are talking about someone being overpayed

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2878699
When you make 60 an hour and someone else non union gets 23 an hour for the same job, then you are overpaid. You are comparing apples and watermelons when comparing blue collar with CEOs.
I dont know of any Union that pays its members $60.If there is one tell me so i can look into joining.
Oh yeah,I almost forgot ...Maybe the guy making $23 is underpaid.I guess it just depends on what end of the stick your on.

 

[fish master]

i bet if you ask the guy making 23 hr if he would like to make more he would say yes. except for darth, he would say, no i dont need anymore money

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2874598
unions have health insurance. they have retirements.that is one of the topics the president and president elect talk about, how everyone should have health insurance. the unions have done that for the worker. and how could you not compare uaw to ceos,we are talking about someone being overpayed
I would like to point this out.
Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2874598
ive been reading about all these union put downs. everyone that talks down about them doesnt know what the unions are about. unions keep these big companies from taking advantage of the worker. unions are about safety, unions are about trained people. let me give some examples. there is a crane on the job,in non union jobs, the guy digging the ditch out with the shovel can jump in the crane and can pick a load putting everyone at risk. in union job that crane operator has all kids of training before he can step into that crane. if you have family or kids working on that job i think you would want the union guy in that crane,if you say no your lieing. if you didnt have unions you would be working for dirt pay. i keep hearing about (you cant fire a union worker) that is bull. iam a union superintendant for a major road contractor. i fire people all the time. if they dont perform, they get sent down the road.the ones that work hard stay.the ones that are fired might get a job somewhere else,but that is no different than you,if you get fired you go find a job somewhere else. i worked for a non union company when i was younger,we had an accident that killed one and injured two other guys.it was something that they should not have been doing, but the company told them to do it or they would be fired. if that was union it would not have happened. like i said i been non union and ive been union, and i would pick union anyday.so for all you people that want to beat up on unions,your just wasting oxygen that the smart people of the usa need.
No, your opening post says nothing about comparing them to overpaid CEOs. It also shows their benefits, nothing in it mentions CEOs once. In fact CEOs do not get brought up till YOU much later. The minute a person deflects the discussion towards another individual or group and essentially say "what about them?" you have lost the debate. If you think Unions are great you should be able to defend your stance as a few here have, by showing the good they do. Instead of saying, well CEOs are overpaid as well'. Does that statement prove unions are good more so? No it shows CEOs are just as bad.

 

[lovethesea]

Originally Posted by fish master
http:///forum/post/2878693
. lets see,if uaw worker makes 70 hr usually half of that is health welfare, retirement, so lets say he gets 35 hr on his that is check. that is 72,800 a year.

most of the folks who work for the auto plants at Nissan, and Toyota, make half that. AND still have (just like the rest of us) those items above taken out of their check. There is little turnover in those plants, so obviously they seem to be happy and probaly know full well without any other skill/education they would not be making that much.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2878719
I dont know of any Union that pays its members $60.If there is one tell me so i can look into joining.
Oh yeah,I almost forgot ...Maybe the guy making $23 is underpaid.I guess it just depends on what end of the stick your on.
I was using random figures (that need not be exact) to show my point.

 

[darthtang aw]

Ok, let's try this. Pro union guys. what would YOU be willing to pay someone an hour to mow your lawn?

 

[fish master]

actually i like mowing my lawn myself. but iam am starting a union company, ill be paying union wages. i want to know that my employees and familys are being taken care of

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2878739
Ok, let's try this. Pro union guys. what would YOU be willing to pay someone an hour to mow your lawn?
Is the guy American? How hot is it out?How big is the yard?Is it sloped and if it is how much? What kind of grass is it?How short should the grass to be cut?

 

[moprint]

I have never been in a union. I will share a story about how one affected a town of 10,000. There was an automotive finish manufactoring plant that had three shifts working. The workers were members of UAW I think, I was in the 5th grade when this happened so not sure. Contract time came up and they started talking pay and other stuff. These were good paying jobs and they employed around 700 to 800 people. The union said to strike and they did. The employees were told to come back work or the plant would be shut down. The union said they wouldn't dare shut the plant down. Well geuss what the doors were locked and Dupont never did sell the building, they ended up giving the building to the county. That was 24 years ago and the county is still paying 15 people just to take care of the building. So I don't think they are the hot set up. As far as safety training todays companys, at least the ones I have worked for, are all over it. I mean with all the lawyers that will sue for 30% of a settlement safety training has come along way. As far as having a pension any decent company has something like 401k, now asking somebody if they want fries with that doesn't have 401k at least I didn't work there long enough to find out. It takes applying yourself to get anywhere today. No matter if it's building, plowing the streets, or printing which is what I do.