Way to go border patrol.

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3277810
The same reason we are fighting a war in Iraq that we shouldn't be fighting. Since Mexico can't handle this situation, we have to step up. The US is the world police.
Okay a question for everybody. Let's same the border gets shut down. Immigration stops. The immigrants use the procedure. Do you really think this will stop drugs getting into this country? Do you think this will stop crime on our streets? This fix is just the band-aid on the situation. What is next shutting down the Canadian border also? Do you really think that shutting the border down is the final reason? If not, what else? Realistic solutions please. How are you going to shut the border down realistically? Build a wall? Who pays for it? Shooting immigrants as they cross. Society will never stand for that.
I understand the incident was provoked by throwing rocks. What if the kid wasn't throwing rocks, would he still be shot? How long did it take to get immigrants processed at Ellis island compared to get processed now? I am sure there is alot more time waiting now.
Like I said, give a fix for this situation. What it is, who will pay for it, and will the American people and government go for it. not just you and your own opinion but the country as a whole.
If we make it harder for the criminals to cross the border less drugs will come in. It will also cut down on the number of people coming across to work so more resources can be put on the drug smugglers and other criminals. They have used boats to bring the stuff in for years and guess what, there is a reason why so much is being brought in over land. They started cracking down on the boat smugglers back in the 80's. I personally knew 2 people who got nailed. Kinda answered the question of how they could afford to spend so much time on the water
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3277815
once again.....immigrants vs illegals. You have to see the difference. You come here to live, pay taxes, abide by our laws you WILL HAVE ZERO problems becoming a citizen. So what if they have to wait. My cousins wife happily waited. At least its legally.
Try getting into Austrailia,China, France, Ireland, etc. Just try it. They aren't going to greet you with wine and roses. And on top, try it with drugs and weapons. Then if by chance you do get in ILLEGALLY, try setting up a home, job etc. It will never happen.
Thats the thing most of the open borders crowd like to throw out there, that we are anti immigrant. Even in good times it serves no purpose to let unskilled workers flood in. Why import more people who will not pay income taxes and likely be on some sort of public assistance? We can't afford to continue what we give our own citizens. By having sensible immigration laws we can make sure those who come in will be self supporting members of our society
 

lovethesea

Active Member
not to mention the MAJOR strain illegals put on our medical system. Its shocking! We remove certain amounts of medicare/caide fraud and illegals from our healthcare system, things would change drastically. Anyone who works in a hosptial especially a large city with a large population of illegals can tell you what goes on.
 

ironeagle2006

Active Member
For me it is simple. Adopt Mexicos Immigration Laws and ENFORCE THEM. Then when Mexico Screams at the treatment their Citizens get we can say HEY THSI IS WHAT YOU DO TO ILLEGALS IN YOUR NATION. Also that and start SINKING all Drug runners in the Gulf. Land Smugglers adopt Sinapore or is it Thailands laws were it is the Death Penatly for even an once of Illegal Drugs on your person of anykind.
Best way to stop the flow of Illegal Drugs would be this Allow the cops to summery Exacute the dealers. Then sentace anyone caught doing them to 40 years at hard Labor. Wonder if that Wacky Tobacco would be worth 40 years of breaking rocks. Sorry but I have seen way to many people killed by Illegal Drugs AND THAT INCLUDES MARIJUNIA.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3277823
For me it is simple. Adopt Mexicos Immigration Laws and ENFORCE THEM. Then when Mexico Screams at the treatment their Citizens get we can say HEY THSI IS WHAT YOU DO TO ILLEGALS IN YOUR NATION. Also that and start SINKING all Drug runners in the Gulf. Land Smugglers adopt Sinapore or is it Thailands laws were it is the Death Penatly for even an once of Illegal Drugs on your person of anykind.
Best way to stop the flow of Illegal Drugs would be this Allow the cops to summery Exacute the dealers. Then sentace anyone caught doing them to 40 years at hard Labor. Wonder if that Wacky Tobacco would be worth 40 years of breaking rocks. Sorry but I have seen way to many people killed by Illegal Drugs AND THAT INCLUDES MARIJUNIA.
Looks like ironeagle is using the text messaging capabilities on his phone to respond to the post. At least I hope he is.
 

scottnlisa

Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3277825
Looks like ironeagle is using the text messaging capabilities on his phone to respond to the post. At least I hope he is.

I do agree with this. We need tougher laws and sentences for drug dealers and users. Or what about legalizing drugs. Cocaine was legal for medical use until the 30's I believe. Pot does no more damage to the body as cigarettes or alcohol.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3277826
I do agree with this. We need tougher laws and sentences for drug dealers and users. Or what about legalizing drugs. Cocaine was legal for medical use until the 30's I believe. Pot does no more damage to the body as cigarettes or alcohol.
WOW...that would be opening a whole other can of worms......
 

lovethesea

Active Member
tax the hellz out of it and maybe. The prob with legalizing the hard c0r3 stuff is who is going to pay for rehab? Thats a different day and a different discussion.
 

reefraff

Active Member
MJ yes, Cocaine no. My brother dealt both for a while. When he started moving the powder you wouldn't believe what people would trade him for a little bit of that stuff. Too addictive IMO. Weed can be addictive too but not many people seem to get hooked compared to other drugs or even alcohol.
 

beth

Administrator
Staff member
Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3277566
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/10/tex...ex.html?hpt=T2
Boy, the good old USA is really no better than terrorists or illegals using tactics like this. It is a sad day.
Amazing point of view...
Perhaps if you were being surrounded and stoned by criminals and hooligans, you can respond by reasoning with them? These smugglers are the lowest of low-lives. Not just because they are criminals but because they extort money from those they are smuggling, very frequently treating them no better than cattle going to the slaughterhouse. They are on a par with dope dealers, except that their product are human beings.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3277810
The same reason we are fighting a war in Iraq that we shouldn't be fighting. Since Mexico can't handle this situation, we have to step up. The US is the world police.
Okay a question for everybody. Let's same the border gets shut down. Immigration stops. The immigrants use the procedure. Do you really think this will stop drugs getting into this country? Do you think this will stop crime on our streets? This fix is just the band-aid on the situation. What is next shutting down the Canadian border also? Do you really think that shutting the border down is the final reason? If not, what else? Realistic solutions please. How are you going to shut the border down realistically? Build a wall? Who pays for it? Shooting immigrants as they cross. Society will never stand for that.
I understand the incident was provoked by throwing rocks. What if the kid wasn't throwing rocks, would he still be shot? How long did it take to get immigrants processed at Ellis island compared to get processed now? I am sure there is alot more time waiting now.
Like I said, give a fix for this situation. What it is, who will pay for it, and will the American people and government go for it. not just you and your own opinion but the country as a whole.
uNTIL YOU REMOVE THE LOCKS FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE YOU HAVE NO GROUND TO STAND ON. aS i STATED BEFORE, WILL YOU LET ANYONE COME INTO YOUR OWN HOME?
dARTH (TO LAZY TO TAKE OFF THE CAPS) tANG
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by lovethesea
http:///forum/post/3277890
interesting
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT
35 more deaths in Mexico
Homeland Security recently released a statement saying it was safer to travel in Baghdad than it was in Juarez, Mexico for US citizens. You wouldn't catch me going over there right now after this kid got popped. Some innocent US citizen will get shot for no reason as retribution for this killing. Count on it.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3277928
Homeland Security recently released a statement saying it was safer to travel in Baghdad than it was in Juarez, Mexico for US citizens. You wouldn't catch me going over there right now after this kid got popped. Some innocent US citizen will get shot for no reason as retribution for this killing. Count on it.
That is really sad, we used to go into Juarez all the time. Heck my dad used to work in Juarez.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
SNL, if we don't stop all illegal immigration then the smugglers will be the ones who decide who and what comes into our country. What you are proposing by advocating opening the border is to let the most vile and evil criminals control American immigration, rather than American immigration officials. Do you really think like that? Are you really that delusional? Or is it you are just that naive and have no idea how terrifyingly savage and evil these people are?
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3277928
Homeland Security recently released a statement saying it was safer to travel in Baghdad than it was in Juarez, Mexico for US citizens. You wouldn't catch me going over there right now after this kid got popped. Some innocent US citizen will get shot for no reason as retribution for this killing. Count on it.
For the last 6 years it has been getting worse in Juarez. I haven't visited in that time and it is a 4 hour drive away. It used to be a nice place to go visit nd shop around take in the culture. But now there is no way in hell you could get me to go there. In the last year alone there have been over 2400 murders. The city has been designated the most dangerous city in the world...even more so than those in war zones. But we are the problem...........................
Currenttly Juarez alone has 4500 military soldiers in Juarez patrolling.....
 

reefraff

Active Member
I would hate to see some guy sneaking over get shot even though I don't want him to make it here. BUT, with all the crap going on in Mexico we have to stop as much border crossing as possible. I say we create a well publicized policy of deadly force being used to repel any border crossing. Mexico does it on their southern border, why shouldn't we? The Mexican gangs are already exporting crime and violence here. Time to put it to an end.
 

scottnlisa

Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3277895
uNTIL YOU REMOVE THE LOCKS FROM YOUR OWN HOUSE YOU HAVE NO GROUND TO STAND ON. aS i STATED BEFORE, WILL YOU LET ANYONE COME INTO YOUR OWN HOME?
dARTH (TO LAZY TO TAKE OFF THE CAPS) tANG
No I would not let anybody step foot into my house. But I also would never shoot somebody or anybody for crossing a border. I have morals and standards and to take a life is wrong espacially over something as stupid as border crossing. People who take another persons life will have their day in court and then they will have their day when they pass away and have to answer to a higher power.
 

meowzer

Moderator
Originally Posted by scottnlisa
http:///forum/post/3278046
No I would not let anybody step foot into my house. But I also would never shoot somebody or anybody for crossing a border. I have morals and standards and to take a life is wrong espacially over something as stupid as border crossing. People who take another persons life will have their day in court and then they will have their day when they pass away and have to answer to a higher power.
I'm not into killing, BUT if someone comes into my home in the middle of the night.....well...that person is gonna be shot first...questions later......THAT'S MY BORDER......AND MY BORDER CONTROL IS A 12 GAUGE
 
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