What exactly is God's plan?
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mantisman51
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p.s. Thus far I have given you wide berth. There will be no more such courtesy. So, drop it and move on without trying to use me for your target, or I will give to you as you are giving to me.
flower
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500755
p.s. Thus far I have given you wide berth. There will be no more such courtesy. So, drop it and move on without trying to use me for your target, or I will give to you as you are giving to me.
Wow, from a filled with the Spirit, speaking in tongues man of God fellow too...shame on you. Why are you so angry? It's a perfectly reasonable question. I never used you for a target. I am not mad about anything, I was just commenting on you being so mad at Slices post and kind of hinted for you to tone it down a bit...now I'm the target of your wrath. Given me wide berth??? What, have you been gnawing on your lips seething, at me thrugh the computer screen?...hinting you are about to let your held back hostility fly?
Beth...I was only referring to the little devilish grin icon when Bionic commented on the meaning of Slices small print., he was being, or trying to be funny. (THAT TIME)..Of all the mean things Bionic ever said...mantisman was fed up on that comment...which made no sense to me. As for Bionics other mean spirited posts...well we all know him well enough by now for sure.
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500755
p.s. Thus far I have given you wide berth. There will be no more such courtesy. So, drop it and move on without trying to use me for your target, or I will give to you as you are giving to me.
Wow, from a filled with the Spirit, speaking in tongues man of God fellow too...shame on you. Why are you so angry? It's a perfectly reasonable question. I never used you for a target. I am not mad about anything, I was just commenting on you being so mad at Slices post and kind of hinted for you to tone it down a bit...now I'm the target of your wrath. Given me wide berth??? What, have you been gnawing on your lips seething, at me thrugh the computer screen?...hinting you are about to let your held back hostility fly?
Beth...I was only referring to the little devilish grin icon when Bionic commented on the meaning of Slices small print., he was being, or trying to be funny. (THAT TIME)..Of all the mean things Bionic ever said...mantisman was fed up on that comment...which made no sense to me. As for Bionics other mean spirited posts...well we all know him well enough by now for sure.
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500731
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Originally Posted by Slice http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500632
I believe in the inherent goodness of creation.
I don't care if you believe in a conscious being, a "number in motion", random coincidence or the flying spaghetti monster.
I believe that in our little sandbox, we should share our toys and play nice.
I also believe in evil, although I am unsure where it comes from. I suspect that evil is our own contrivance.
I further suspect the OP already knows what God's plan is. I believe that goodness is hard-wired into all of us.
I believe the internal conflict that many of us deal with is a result of a denial of that inherent hard-wired goodness.
We are as valid as our Earth, the Moon, the stars, quasars, black holes, snail darters. When we can finally get past our self-imposed guilt,
we can accept God's plan:
Share your toys and play nice.
- I also believe in "Peace through superior firepower" in case you were wondering...
So is that "God's Plan"? Blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace? Talk about hypocritcal statements. "Share your toys and be nice", but if you play dirty, we'll just shoot you with them.
Flower, if you are referring to this, the "devilish grin" is actually a rolling eyes from my view, meaning he is sarcastically retorting back to Slice that peace through superior firepower means blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace----a direct pot shot at American foreign policy and "God's plan".
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500731
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Originally Posted by Slice http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500632
I believe in the inherent goodness of creation.
I don't care if you believe in a conscious being, a "number in motion", random coincidence or the flying spaghetti monster.
I believe that in our little sandbox, we should share our toys and play nice.
I also believe in evil, although I am unsure where it comes from. I suspect that evil is our own contrivance.
I further suspect the OP already knows what God's plan is. I believe that goodness is hard-wired into all of us.
I believe the internal conflict that many of us deal with is a result of a denial of that inherent hard-wired goodness.
We are as valid as our Earth, the Moon, the stars, quasars, black holes, snail darters. When we can finally get past our self-imposed guilt,
we can accept God's plan:
Share your toys and play nice.
- I also believe in "Peace through superior firepower" in case you were wondering...
So is that "God's Plan"? Blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace? Talk about hypocritcal statements. "Share your toys and be nice", but if you play dirty, we'll just shoot you with them.
Flower, if you are referring to this, the "devilish grin" is actually a rolling eyes from my view, meaning he is sarcastically retorting back to Slice that peace through superior firepower means blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace----a direct pot shot at American foreign policy and "God's plan".
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500764
Wow, from a filled with the Spirit, speaking in tongues man of God fellow too...shame on you. Why are you so angry? It's a perfectly reasonable question. I never used you for a target. I am not mad about anything, I was just commenting on you being so mad at Slices post and kind of hinted for you to tone it down a bit...now I'm the target of your wrath. Given me wide berth??? What, have you been gnawing on your lips seething, at me thrugh the computer screen?...hinting you are about to let your held back hostility fly?
Beth...I was only referring to the little devilish grin icon when Bionic commented on the meaning of Slices small print., he was being, or trying to be funny. (THAT TIME)..Of all the mean things Bionic ever said...mantisman was fed up on that comment...which made no sense to me. As for Bionics other mean spirited posts...well we all know him well enough by now for sure.
Typical passive aggressive. "Just because I think you're a monster, I don't mean anything by it. Why would get upset at me for saying what I think? How could you be angry at little ol' me just because you're a bad person?" You are a special kind of devious and it won't work on me. You have thrown down the gauntlet, so be prepared to get as you give. Speaking of angry and seething, going after a religion-whether it be mine or not-CLASSY! But from your P/A behavior, I'm sure your family is just jazzed to be around you, too.
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500764
Wow, from a filled with the Spirit, speaking in tongues man of God fellow too...shame on you. Why are you so angry? It's a perfectly reasonable question. I never used you for a target. I am not mad about anything, I was just commenting on you being so mad at Slices post and kind of hinted for you to tone it down a bit...now I'm the target of your wrath. Given me wide berth??? What, have you been gnawing on your lips seething, at me thrugh the computer screen?...hinting you are about to let your held back hostility fly?
Beth...I was only referring to the little devilish grin icon when Bionic commented on the meaning of Slices small print., he was being, or trying to be funny. (THAT TIME)..Of all the mean things Bionic ever said...mantisman was fed up on that comment...which made no sense to me. As for Bionics other mean spirited posts...well we all know him well enough by now for sure.
Typical passive aggressive. "Just because I think you're a monster, I don't mean anything by it. Why would get upset at me for saying what I think? How could you be angry at little ol' me just because you're a bad person?" You are a special kind of devious and it won't work on me. You have thrown down the gauntlet, so be prepared to get as you give. Speaking of angry and seething, going after a religion-whether it be mine or not-CLASSY! But from your P/A behavior, I'm sure your family is just jazzed to be around you, too.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500746
kruschev famously bragged he'd take America without firing a shot. That's looking more and more likely. When the USSR fell the former head of the communist party was interviewed and asked if he was saddened buy the fall of communism. His answer was chilling. He said they had spent years and a lot of money to place people who agreed with many of their policies in our schools, our unions and our media. It shows. For all the cries of McCarthyism he was found to be right about the level of Soviet operatives in our country.
In 1963 a congressman from Florida had read into the record the communist goals for America from 1955. It is stunning how many have came to pass. Not saying they were all bad but.....
For those who are interested here is a link. Considering American attitudes from the 1950's it would have been unthinkable at the time for a lot of this stuff to come to pass.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595013/posts
I'm well aware of you, Darth, and Doomsday Prepper mantis are protective of your guns. I'm saying it's hypocritical to be sitting here discussing "God's Plan" in one breath, then post some NRA Redneck slogan in the other...
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/140#post_3500746
kruschev famously bragged he'd take America without firing a shot. That's looking more and more likely. When the USSR fell the former head of the communist party was interviewed and asked if he was saddened buy the fall of communism. His answer was chilling. He said they had spent years and a lot of money to place people who agreed with many of their policies in our schools, our unions and our media. It shows. For all the cries of McCarthyism he was found to be right about the level of Soviet operatives in our country.
In 1963 a congressman from Florida had read into the record the communist goals for America from 1955. It is stunning how many have came to pass. Not saying they were all bad but.....
For those who are interested here is a link. Considering American attitudes from the 1950's it would have been unthinkable at the time for a lot of this stuff to come to pass.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1595013/posts
I'm well aware of you, Darth, and Doomsday Prepper mantis are protective of your guns. I'm saying it's hypocritical to be sitting here discussing "God's Plan" in one breath, then post some NRA Redneck slogan in the other...
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500780
I'm well aware of you, Darth, and Doomsday Prepper mantis are protective of your guns. I'm saying it's hypocritical to be sitting here discussing "God's Plan" in one breath, then post some NRA Redneck slogan in the other...
Not aware of anywhere in the Bible it teaches you can't protect yourself. Self defense isn't murder. I am protective of all my possessions. Hope you are too.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500780
I'm well aware of you, Darth, and Doomsday Prepper mantis are protective of your guns. I'm saying it's hypocritical to be sitting here discussing "God's Plan" in one breath, then post some NRA Redneck slogan in the other...
Not aware of anywhere in the Bible it teaches you can't protect yourself. Self defense isn't murder. I am protective of all my possessions. Hope you are too.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500783
Not aware of anywhere in the Bible it teaches you can't protect yourself. Self defense isn't murder. I am protective of all my possessions. Hope you are too.
So you're equating the phrase "Peace through superior firepower" as a reference to home protection? You're not that naive.
Don't be too sure that self defense isn't murder. Tell that to the multitude of individual's sitting in prison who tried using that defense and failed.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500783
Not aware of anywhere in the Bible it teaches you can't protect yourself. Self defense isn't murder. I am protective of all my possessions. Hope you are too.
So you're equating the phrase "Peace through superior firepower" as a reference to home protection? You're not that naive.
Don't be too sure that self defense isn't murder. Tell that to the multitude of individual's sitting in prison who tried using that defense and failed.
flower
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500771
Flower, if you are referring to this, the "devilish grin" is actually a rolling eyes from my view, meaning he is sarcastically retorting back to Slice that peace through superior firepower means blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace----a direct pot shot at American foreign policy and "God's plan".
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500771
Flower, if you are referring to this, the "devilish grin" is actually a rolling eyes from my view, meaning he is sarcastically retorting back to Slice that peace through superior firepower means blowing up your fellow man in the name of peace----a direct pot shot at American foreign policy and "God's plan".
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
bionicarm
Active Member
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500796
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
I have no issues with defending one's self. I just don't get these gun nuts who think they have to flaunt the issue with ignorant slogans. They get some rush out of the thought that just because they can legally walk around with a deadly weapon, they have to "flex their muscles" with this intimidation of "yea Bud, mess with me. I dare you." attitude. They preach tolerance and use as a last resort, but just their logic that they have that power "just in case" is the problem I have. I've owned weapons as long or longer than probably anyone on this forum. I've NEVER had the urge or need to go boasting or bragging about my "armor". I've NEVER had the urge or desire to carry a weapon with me at all times, and I've been in regions of this world that would make their worst environment look like CandyLand. Could I kill someone if I felt my life or my family's life was threatened? No problem. I've actually gone through the military training because of certain regions I travel for that organization. The difference between me and them is I don't have to prove it.
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500796
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
I have no issues with defending one's self. I just don't get these gun nuts who think they have to flaunt the issue with ignorant slogans. They get some rush out of the thought that just because they can legally walk around with a deadly weapon, they have to "flex their muscles" with this intimidation of "yea Bud, mess with me. I dare you." attitude. They preach tolerance and use as a last resort, but just their logic that they have that power "just in case" is the problem I have. I've owned weapons as long or longer than probably anyone on this forum. I've NEVER had the urge or need to go boasting or bragging about my "armor". I've NEVER had the urge or desire to carry a weapon with me at all times, and I've been in regions of this world that would make their worst environment look like CandyLand. Could I kill someone if I felt my life or my family's life was threatened? No problem. I've actually gone through the military training because of certain regions I travel for that organization. The difference between me and them is I don't have to prove it.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500792
So you're equating the phrase "Peace through superior firepower" as a reference to home protection? You're not that naive.
Don't be too sure that self defense isn't murder. Tell that to the multitude of individual's sitting in prison who tried using that defense and failed.
Peace through superior firepower works. Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it. How do you think we stayed out of war with the USSR all those years?
As far as home protection goes come break into my house and find out. I legally don't have to even give you a warning. The act of forcibly entering my house gives me the right to blow you out of your shoes. In fact in this state if I catch someone who has broken into my house as they are trying to leave with say my laptop I would be legal to shoot them in the back. If someone walked in my open door I wouldn't be legal to shoot them but if the picked up my wallet and tried to leave I can shoot them. Uninvited plus committing another crime equals right to use deadly force. Same if I were at work. People go to jail for not knowing the law. Walking down the street is a little different. You have to be able to make the case you felt threatened. All make my days laws really did was remove the burden of proof on homeowners or someone at work under certain circumstances.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500792
So you're equating the phrase "Peace through superior firepower" as a reference to home protection? You're not that naive.
Don't be too sure that self defense isn't murder. Tell that to the multitude of individual's sitting in prison who tried using that defense and failed.
Peace through superior firepower works. Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it. How do you think we stayed out of war with the USSR all those years?
As far as home protection goes come break into my house and find out. I legally don't have to even give you a warning. The act of forcibly entering my house gives me the right to blow you out of your shoes. In fact in this state if I catch someone who has broken into my house as they are trying to leave with say my laptop I would be legal to shoot them in the back. If someone walked in my open door I wouldn't be legal to shoot them but if the picked up my wallet and tried to leave I can shoot them. Uninvited plus committing another crime equals right to use deadly force. Same if I were at work. People go to jail for not knowing the law. Walking down the street is a little different. You have to be able to make the case you felt threatened. All make my days laws really did was remove the burden of proof on homeowners or someone at work under certain circumstances.
flower
Well-Known Member
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500823
I have no issues with defending one's self. I just don't get these gun nuts who think they have to flaunt the issue with ignorant slogans. They get some rush out of the thought that just because they can legally walk around with a deadly weapon, they have to "flex their muscles" with this intimidation of "yea Bud, mess with me. I dare you." attitude. They preach tolerance and use as a last resort, but just their logic that they have that power "just in case" is the problem I have. I've owned weapons as long or longer than probably anyone on this forum. I've NEVER had the urge or need to go boasting or bragging about my "armor". I've NEVER had the urge or desire to carry a weapon with me at all times, and I've been in regions of this world that would make their worst environment look like CandyLand. Could I kill someone if I felt my life or my family's life was threatened? No problem. I've actually gone through the military training because of certain regions I travel for that organization. The difference between me and them is I don't have to prove it.
I totally understand what you mean...HOWEVER...if you make enough noise maybe, just maybe a warning will be enough to prevent a bad guy from breaking into your home in the first place. I have two large German shepherds, one barks like a crazy idiot at strangers walking past the house...Atticus just sits and watches. It isn't the dog that barks that you need to be afraid of, it barks so you will back off....the quiet dog wants you to get close enough so he can eat you....both dogs will defend their home to the death, but one would rather avoid the confrontation.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500823
I have no issues with defending one's self. I just don't get these gun nuts who think they have to flaunt the issue with ignorant slogans. They get some rush out of the thought that just because they can legally walk around with a deadly weapon, they have to "flex their muscles" with this intimidation of "yea Bud, mess with me. I dare you." attitude. They preach tolerance and use as a last resort, but just their logic that they have that power "just in case" is the problem I have. I've owned weapons as long or longer than probably anyone on this forum. I've NEVER had the urge or need to go boasting or bragging about my "armor". I've NEVER had the urge or desire to carry a weapon with me at all times, and I've been in regions of this world that would make their worst environment look like CandyLand. Could I kill someone if I felt my life or my family's life was threatened? No problem. I've actually gone through the military training because of certain regions I travel for that organization. The difference between me and them is I don't have to prove it.
I totally understand what you mean...HOWEVER...if you make enough noise maybe, just maybe a warning will be enough to prevent a bad guy from breaking into your home in the first place. I have two large German shepherds, one barks like a crazy idiot at strangers walking past the house...Atticus just sits and watches. It isn't the dog that barks that you need to be afraid of, it barks so you will back off....the quiet dog wants you to get close enough so he can eat you....both dogs will defend their home to the death, but one would rather avoid the confrontation.
mantisman51
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500796
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
I hope you do ignore me. But if you want to see hateful, look in a mirror. I love how me responding to hateful garbage is me being hateful. Whatever.
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500796
Okay Beth...I concede maybe I misunderstood...it is a devilish grin but knowing Bionicarm...you are probably right...rolling eyes suite him better. However you said what you did in a normal intelligent fashion.
I really thought that in spite of it all, we were all friends here. It seems I have a very hateful enemy, on the very edge of tolerance, and I was not aware of it until today. In the name of peace, I think Mantisman should hit the ignore button on any of my posts, and I will do the same. I do recall someone saying that my posts make them want to run into traffic, so mantisman is not alone. As my granddaughter once said..."Don't look Nana, it will just upset you"....out of the mouth of babes, comes wisdom.
Bionic...There are lots of people who murder and try and call it self defense. You would have to be on the jury and look at the evidence to determine if the defense is real or not. There are also plenty of people who also really had self defense as a defense, and it was determined to be so. Every case is different. Our system is not perfect, but it is what it is to the best of the ability of the people.
The bad guys have weapons, and some of the good guys feel the need to be able to defend themselves. In America our soldiers fight to keep our lives peaceful...they didn't manage that by blowing kisses. War is ugly, and because others were willing to fight and die or be maimed for this country...I live in safety, and for that, I am forever grateful.
I hope you do ignore me. But if you want to see hateful, look in a mirror. I love how me responding to hateful garbage is me being hateful. Whatever.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500831
I totally understand what you mean...HOWEVER...if you make enough noise maybe, just maybe a warning will be enough to prevent a bad guy from breaking into your home in the first place. I have two large German shepherds, one barks like a crazy idiot at strangers walking past the house...Atticus just sits and watches. It isn't the dog that barks that you need to be afraid of, it barks so you will back off....the quiet dog wants you to get close enough so he can eat you....both dogs will defend their home to the death, but one would rather avoid the confrontation.
My dogs are my alarm system. Guns are the back up. The only gun any of my neighbors know I have is the Hawkins black powder rifle hanging on the Buffalo hide on the wall. Looks pretty cool if I do say so myself. I have a few expensive guns in my collection I'd really not like to replace.
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500831
I totally understand what you mean...HOWEVER...if you make enough noise maybe, just maybe a warning will be enough to prevent a bad guy from breaking into your home in the first place. I have two large German shepherds, one barks like a crazy idiot at strangers walking past the house...Atticus just sits and watches. It isn't the dog that barks that you need to be afraid of, it barks so you will back off....the quiet dog wants you to get close enough so he can eat you....both dogs will defend their home to the death, but one would rather avoid the confrontation.
My dogs are my alarm system. Guns are the back up. The only gun any of my neighbors know I have is the Hawkins black powder rifle hanging on the Buffalo hide on the wall. Looks pretty cool if I do say so myself. I have a few expensive guns in my collection I'd really not like to replace.
Lets quit the back and forth quibbling in the public forum.
I have no problem with someone exercising their right to carry. I hope that if I ever find myself in the middle of a crime that someone who carries can step in. There are however, some folks who go nuts about it and make a point that they can carry a gun/rifle out in the open. Of course, anyone seeing this will get worried will call the police resulting in a big ruckus for nothing. I saw some guy on UTube who did this on a regular basis, and, of course took videos so he could post on the internet. What a dunce, IMO.
I have no problem with someone exercising their right to carry. I hope that if I ever find myself in the middle of a crime that someone who carries can step in. There are however, some folks who go nuts about it and make a point that they can carry a gun/rifle out in the open. Of course, anyone seeing this will get worried will call the police resulting in a big ruckus for nothing. I saw some guy on UTube who did this on a regular basis, and, of course took videos so he could post on the internet. What a dunce, IMO.
mantisman51
Active Member
Agreed and agreed. I have open and concealed carry for a couple decades now. I have never had any problems because I don't make a big deal of having a firearm on me. I agree there are stupid people who think they're John Wayne when they're packing. It's what makes it bad for all of us who just want to blend into the scenery.
flower
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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500837
I have no problem with someone exercising their right to carry. I hope that if I ever find myself in the middle of a crime that someone who carries can step in. There are however, some folks who go nuts about it and make a point that they can carry a gun/rifle out in the open. Of course, anyone seeing this will get worried will call the police resulting in a big ruckus for nothing. I saw some guy on UTube who did this on a regular basis, and, of course took videos so he could post on the internet. What a dunce, IMO.
I agree with you...Isn't there some law that if a person sells a gun to the unstable they are responsible?
We allow the bartender to say no when they see a person too drunk to sell booze to...It would make sense that a gun shop owner have the same ability, and held just as responsable. Somehow the people need a little power to say that another person should not have a gun. That way if we know somebody has a gun, and takes medication for the crazies, or is acting power mad or something off...we can turn them in and get some response besides..."He has a license" or "The gun is registered and legal"... We allow people to complain about child abuse, and it's at least checked out. If we could call in and complain, the person should have said gun removed until it is proven they are safe to own, and put on alert that we are watching them.
Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/393378/what-exactly-is-gods-plan/160#post_3500837
I have no problem with someone exercising their right to carry. I hope that if I ever find myself in the middle of a crime that someone who carries can step in. There are however, some folks who go nuts about it and make a point that they can carry a gun/rifle out in the open. Of course, anyone seeing this will get worried will call the police resulting in a big ruckus for nothing. I saw some guy on UTube who did this on a regular basis, and, of course took videos so he could post on the internet. What a dunce, IMO.
I agree with you...Isn't there some law that if a person sells a gun to the unstable they are responsible?
We allow the bartender to say no when they see a person too drunk to sell booze to...It would make sense that a gun shop owner have the same ability, and held just as responsable. Somehow the people need a little power to say that another person should not have a gun. That way if we know somebody has a gun, and takes medication for the crazies, or is acting power mad or something off...we can turn them in and get some response besides..."He has a license" or "The gun is registered and legal"... We allow people to complain about child abuse, and it's at least checked out. If we could call in and complain, the person should have said gun removed until it is proven they are safe to own, and put on alert that we are watching them.
