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Be careful on that slope you're standing on. I hear its pretty slippery. I wouldn't want you to get hurt........ And who would split that hair? Even if we say just during wartime or whatever do we really want the next guy to have that power? Never know who is coming down the pike. I think if...

Originally Posted by stdreb27 Right or not, historically, there is legal precident for a suspension of civil liberties in times of war. That have been supported in the courts when people have challenged their rulings. There is a very legitimate argument. I agree it is a SLIPPERY slope, on one...

Originally Posted by stdreb27 I wasn't talking about any of the disputed practices today, I was talking about the various civil liberties suspended in the past, that were challenged in court. I got it!

Thanks Darth. And couldn't you take that fear thought and kinda mash it in with the Gov/media terrorist fear. Its all like a perfect storm. Reb, As of now its really hasn't been challenged in the high court. So that is a big for now. As of that interview I posted there hasn't been an arrest...

Originally Posted by 1journeyman A foreign national, in our country legally, who commits a crime is not protected by the Constitution. They should be kicked out of the country immediately. Site and source maybe? How bout this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Woodward

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc The whole debate over whether anyone else should enjoy our constitutional right is ridiculous Tim. You know that. Why should we allow someone who is not a citizen vote here. I mean come on. Is that what we are going to do? My brother in law attended law school...

Excuse me Darth. I went a bit over board and got carried away. My Bad! Seriously. Darth, Reb I just spent a bit of time on a couple of sites (NYSE) looking at some history. With the exaggeration of now vs. the 30's is it really fair to compare the two? ie circuit breaker law, SEC ETC ETC. There...

Originally Posted by wattsupdoc The constitution does not apply to non citizens in other counties. Why is it that we time and time again want to give people the same rights that we have when they don't even live here or are a citizen? Wire tapping is only allowed on conversations that occur...

Yup and the former admin did everything it could to rein in those tax cheaters...... http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0413-23.htm

Originally Posted by reefraff According to those who count the patriot act is constitutional. Doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks. Really and I have no grasp of with I'm talking about? I'm a fool? The so called ones (that count) that enacted this piece of legislation are not...

Yup, they're the only ones..... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ay-back-taxes/ God for bid you look at a line item bill. I do, don't you?

here's another fan of the patriot act..... pretty smart guy i think.... http://www.reason.com/news/show/123496.html

And of course it matters what I (we) think. Would you like to lose a suspected terrorists to a very defendable case? B/c its has no constitutional "legs". This is what is going to happen! All its takes is the right defense attorney, the right judge and wow what a can of worms you're going to...

Originally Posted by reefraff According to those who count the patriot act is constitutional. Doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks. You didn't really use Dodge and nice car in the same sentence did you I thought about picking up a new Challenger but I think we are going to take...

Originally Posted by Bang Guy We're allowed to have both? Pre-owed car pre-owed tanks. and much DIY!

My wife crashed my tank and haven't had one in six months or so. At first it is a bit of a relief. But I miss it terribly and in construction mode now. I would give it some good hard thought. We are addicts in the end.....

http://jonathanturley.org/2007/09/26...onstitutional/ I have no clue what you're saying. Its an SRT and yes I'm proud of my American CAR. I'm I the only one with a nice car and a SW tank? Would yop prefer my dogs. I didn't realize I was just so offensive. DO you pay 40% of your income to the...

Originally Posted by reefraff No more attacks planned? You might want to try informing yourself before making foolish statements. First of all my opinions are my own. Thats usually why I stay out of these threads b/c the misinformation is just astounding. What do you think 95% of the...

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006 I live in IL aka OBAMALAND IF YOU WANT TO FREAKING SEE WHAT HIS PRESIDENCY IS GOING TO BE LIKE JUST LOOK AT THE FORMER GPVERNOR ROD BALGOLEVICH'S TERMS. BTE OLD ROD AND OBAMA SHRED THE SAME MONEY MAN TONY REZKO AND MY AUNT A CLERK IN CHITOWN IS HEARING FROM...

Your right it would be mut if everyone paid 40%. But they don't. On top of that we that pay the most get the least. You right its all relative. Its all OUR money.....