And this is why Fox Business shouldn't be covering Science stories.

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/60#post_3536859
There you go again, ignoring all of the Suns energy except for infrared.
If half of the energy that warms the planet is blocked from reaching it will the planet get as hot as it would if all the energy was reaching it?

 

[2quills]

Greenhouse gases absorb the infrared. If the infrared isn't reaching the earth's surface the surface wont heat as much and in turn wont release as much infrared back out.
That's it in a nut shell. The gases absorb and hold the heat acting as an insulator for the energy that does make it to the surface and keeps it in.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536860
If half of the energy that warms the planet is blocked from reaching it will the planet get as hot as it would if all the energy was reaching it?

You mean like the Moon vs Earth?

If I recall correctly the Moon is a little cooler and yet none of the solar energy is blocked.

 

[2quills]

Think of it this way. The more co2 builds up in the atmosphere the more energy it traps. There for the co2 concentration build up acts like an electric blanket around us that keeps heating up.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536861
That's it in a nut shell. The gases absorb and hold the heat acting as an insulator for the energy that does make it to the surface and keeps it in.
But not as much energy makes it to the surface.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536864
But not as much energy makes it to the surface.
But more energy is prevented from escaping than prevented from reaching the surface.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536862

You mean like the Moon vs Earth?

If I recall correctly the Moon is a little cooler and yet none of the solar energy is blocked.
No atmosphere at all. Whole different animal.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536866
No atmosphere at all. Whole different animal.
How else would all of the energy reach the surface? And you're wrong, the Moon does have an atmosphere.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536865
But more energy is prevented from escaping than prevented from reaching the surface.
How do you figure that?

 

[2quills]

As atmospheric density increases the more of all that infrared energy being bombarded on us by the sun it catches. The blanket around us is what heats up whether more light makes it to the surface or not.
Sigh...time to go take down Christmas Lights I suppose. Anybody wanna help? lol

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536870
As atmospheric density increases the more of all that infrared energy being bombarded on us by the sun it catches. The blanket around us is what heats up whether more light makes it to the surface or not.
Sigh...time to go take down Christmas Lights I suppose. Anybody wanna help? lol
Why do now what you can put off until summer?

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536869
How do you figure that?

CO2 blocks infrared more than it blocks the rest of the solar radiation. More CO2 won't have much effect on the non-infrared reaching the surface but it will have an effect on the heat generated from that energy striking the surface.

 

[2quills]

Why do now what you can put off until summer?
Cause it feels like summer today (70 degrees). And if I don't the HOA will probably chew my arse.

 

[darthtang aw]

Even though it has an atmosphere, the moons is different. So I don't think we can use that as comparison accurately.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536872

CO2 blocks infrared more than it blocks the rest of the solar radiation. More CO2 won't have much effect on the non-infrared reaching the surface but it will have an effect on the heat generated from that energy striking the surface.
Yeah, but the sun emits more infrared than any other, about 50 percent. Infrared is also more effective at heating objects than the visible or UV spectrum.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536874
Cause it feels like summer today (70 degrees). And if I don't the HOA will probably chew my arse.
HOA's are the anti christ.

 

[bang guy]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536876
Yeah, but the sun emits more infrared than any other, about 50 percent. Infrared is also more effective at heating objects than the visible or UV spectrum.


The overall net effect is an increase in trapped energy.

 

[mohawkninja]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/60#post_3536856
Greenhouse gases absorb the infrared radiation that would normally be absorbed by the planet or in the case of that re radiated by the planet released out into space. CO2 molecules do the same thing the planet does, absorbs and re emits. In a sense it does "reflect" the heat. That radiated from the surface is absorbed in the lower atmosphere and most of that is radiated back down towards the surface. The incoming from the sun is mostly absorbed in the upper atmosphere and most of that is radiated back out into space. That's why I don't by CO2 as the driver of warming. If the infrared isn't reaching the earth's surface the surface wont heat as much and in turn wont release as much infrared back out.
The sun doesn't only emit infrared.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by mohawkninja http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536948
The sun doesn't only emit infrared.
No but it emits more infrared than any other spectrum.

 

[mohawkninja]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/396925/and-this-is-why-fox-business-shouldnt-be-covering-science-stories/80#post_3536963
No but it emits more infrared than any other spectrum.
Yes, but all the other energy still has to go somewhere, and that is the energy that is trapped by the CO².