Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
You stated there was only our intel and English intel backing up the reasons for Iraq. I gave you other intel sources and you attack and discredit One, and that is supposed to debunk the fact that Germany and France both had found the same intel we did.
Furthermore, if you question Putin why didn't you question Hussein and still question why he was hindering the inspectors time and time again. This argument you repeatedly put forth is is just Political propoganda put out by a party and spoon fed to the masses to make one party loook completely bad.
Let me ask you this, the last two elections did you vote for your senator that sat on the senate floor in 2002? Ifr so who was that senator.
The reason I ask....Only 6 democrats actually read the intel given to them before the lead up to the Iraq war....was yours one of them? Doubt it...Did you do something about their incopetance? Doubt, no it is easier to put the whole blame on BUSH....Bottomline, if you blame the President you also better blame you congressman and vote to change that as well....I realize S.Carolina is currently hold two republican seats...but not sure if they held those in 2002
1. ok, despite what France, Germany, and even Russia may have said. no matter what their intelligence said, what did they say about us going to war against Iraq? they were all against it, no? they said it would be better to first try diplomacy, no? in hindsight, were they wrong? Bush knew that France and Russia, having veto powers on the UN security council, would veto the US/UK proposal to go to war. so he withdrew the proposal and went about it on his own. now I'll be the first to agree that the UN is a pretty pathetic, over politicized organization. and since a huge chunk of money and resources that go into the UN are US money and resources, I also agree that those UN countries should have our backs. but there is nothing Saddam was doing directly to us that was such an affront that we should have started a war, basically on our own. yeah, the UK is powerful and they're our ally, but they've really only put in 15-20% of what's gone into this war. so really, it's us and future generations of Americans that are footing the bill. and for what? what is so great that has been accomplished? do you really honestly believe that Saddam was a major threat to us? if you do believe that, then we will just agree to disagree. he was a major offender of crimes against humanity (against his own people) and he was a threat to the oil companies, but I will never agree that he was a threat to us. and I still haven't seen you respond to my assertion (more than once) that the one great thing about Saddam was that he kept Iran in their place. do you agree or disagree with that? and do you agree or disagree that Iran is a much bigger threat than Iraq ever was?
2. as far as the 2 SC senators who sat on the floor in 2002, they've both since retired. they were (D) Fritz Hollings and (R) Strom Thurmond. Thurmond has since died. I NEVER voted for Fritz Hollings and I never would. I liked Strom (generally) but I stopped voting for him too because he was too old and senile. the 2 current SC senators are (R) Jim Demint and (R) Lindsey Graham. I voted for Demint and I would vote for him again in a minute. I also unfortunately voted for Graham (one of the co-authors of the amnesty bill) and would not vote for him again in a thousand years. Lindsey Graham is a disgrace to this state and country.
3. what do you mean "my" democrat??? what made you think I'm a democrat?? I'm a republican and have never voted for a democrat in a nation wide election. of course that will change due to the past 7 years. I voted for Bush not once, but TWICE. and I was duped (see, I can admit mistakes). I will never never ever vote for John McCain, and I'm fairly certain that Hillary is a socialist. if the election were tomorrow, I'd most likely vote for Giuliani because 1 he has the best chance of beating any opponent and 2 he's moderate.
but honestly, this whole 2 party system is completely broken and outdated. the dems and repubs have both sold us out long ago. big business and special interests rule this country, not us.
