Why I'll never vote for a democrat

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by firefish9
A starving father trying to feed his family who just crossed a desert,Can't be stopped by a fence. Just a 12 yr. olds opinion
Actually, to a large extent, that is untrue. Study the effectiveness of the security fence the Israelis built.
Mexico needs to deal with their own internal issues. Right now, US dollars shipped back to Mexico account for the second highest income of Mexico (3rd is tourism). Mexico encourages people to move here illegally so that they won't have to deal with it. It's a win/win for them. They get money off of it while they export poverty.

 

[firefish9]

I can see ur point. Also its partly Mexicos falt they 'import' 30,000 guatamalins a yr. to do jobs they won't. :notsure:

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by firefish9
I can see ur point. Also its partly Mexicos falt they 'import' 30,000 guatamalins a yr. to do jobs they won't. :notsure:
I didn't know that.
I do know they have their military on their southern border (while slandering us for wanting to do the same thing)

 

[ser_cyclops]

Originally Posted by wanabebell
well your friend mr bush has already made this country a dictator ship
the patriot act clearly violates the principles that this country was founded upon
lol you live here and you want to be safe right? well then if you dont have anything to hide then i dont care if they are listening to me.

 

[phixer]

Originally Posted by firefish9
A starving father trying to feed his family who just crossed a desert,Can't be stopped by a fence. Just a 12 yr. olds opinion
What business does one have reproducing if they do not have the means to provide for the kids. Subjecting kids to a life of poverty is irresponsible. Who loses... the kids.

 

[ser_cyclops]

true dat

 

[stdreb27]

I wonder what the mods are thinking reading this rant thread? From line in the sand party lines to immagration to hotrods...

 

[watson3]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I wonder what the mods are thinking reading this rant thread? From line in the sand party lines to immagration to hotrods...
If you look back, a few have chimed in and are reasonable as long as we keep this in check..

 

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by Phixer
What business does one have reproducing if they do not have the means to provide for the kids. Subjecting kids to a life of poverty is irresponsible. Who loses... the kids.
A lot of these people do eke out a living. They are only poor by our standards. Their children will grow up and be a part of the their local economy. However, the children doesn't have opportunities to climb the economy ladder already established by their parents.
Each and everyone of them want to provide a better home for their children. Some will work themselves to death to send just one child to school/college. From time to time, the working father, mother, or elder sibling gets ill or worst. The family is disparate and forced to do the unthinkable.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
A lot of these people do eke out a living. They are only poor by our standards.
The reference was to this post - "A starving father trying to feed his family who just crossed a desert,Can't be stopped by a fence." (well worded post by a 12 year old BTW)
If he's starving and can't provide for a family then why did he start a family. If he can't afford a family but does so for whatever macho, irresponsible reason then that's fine, completely his choice BUT DON'T ASK ME TO PAY FOR IT.
There are legal ways to gain entrance to the US job market. When they choose to trespass instead then I have a problem with it. When someone enters this country we need to know who they are and why they're here. Most want work but some are here for less honorable reasons. I do not understand why we are allowing this.
Are we just going to wait until someone drops a couple hundred pounds of uranium dust from a small plane over LA?

 

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
If he's starving and can't provide for a family then why did he start a family. If he can't afford a family but does so for whatever macho, irresponsible reason then that's fine, completely his choice BUT DON'T ASK ME TO PAY FOR IT.
What I am saying is that when his kids were conceived, he was able to provide food. Due to unforeseen event, he no longer able to provide food to his family. It isn't fair to knock down the parents in these situation.
If my kids go to private school, why must I pay tax that would go toward public education? If I don't drive, why must my tax money to toward roads. Why do I have to pay for homeless shelter? Rehab center? There are lots of things you don't use that are paying for it.
Originally Posted by Bang Guy
There are legal ways to gain entrance to the US job market. When they choose to trespass instead then I have a problem with it. When someone enters this country we need to know who they are and why they're here. Most want work but some are here for less honorable reasons. I do not understand why we are allowing this.
There are legal ways. However, the USA, like any other countries, only want rich or educated people that can grow our GDP. Most want to work for less honorable reason? Like pooling the money into gangs to kill and plunder? I disagree. Most want to work to better there family. A few illegals are society rejects and are found in every population.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
What I am saying is that when his kids were conceived, he was able to provide food. Due to unforeseen event, he no longer able to provide food to his family. It isn't fair to knock down the parents in these situation.....
I've been to Mexico several times. I don't think poverty sneaks up on many of the people.
I'd also disagree with your comment about who we let into the country. Many difficult to fill positions are farmed out to foreign labor leagally.
I'm not trying to be dispassionate, but I agree with Bang. We're at war. Our enemy is going to keep trying to kill us. More and more countries are getting their hands on dangerous weapons. I live on the front line of the Southern Front. I want to know we're doing all we can to prevent Dallas, or Houston, or Austin, etc. from getting wiped off the map.
Another perspective to look at is Mexico itself. It's never going to reform until we quit providing an easy meal ticket.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by xDave
Heres a great idea for our safety, what if the government made everyone get a national id card with a chip in it that could be tracked by satellite.
We are working on that without the satellite component.
HSPD-12 / FIPS201 - just need to expand it futher to the private sector other than just contractors.
Wells Fargo has already certified interoperability.... I need to confim if it's Wells Fargo or BofA that completed the interoperability testing.
Wells Fargo
http://www.cio.gov/fbca/crosscert.htm

 

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I live on the front line of the Southern Front. I want to know we're doing all we can to prevent Dallas, or Houston, or Austin, etc. from getting wiped off the map.
I live less than an hour away from the President. I don't want a terrorist with WMD anywhere in this country.

 

[watson3]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I've been to Mexico several times. I don't think poverty sneaks up on many of the people.
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Chiclets Mister...

 

[phixer]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
A lot of these people do eke out a living. They are only poor by our standards. Their children will grow up and be a part of the their local economy. However, the children doesn't have opportunities to climb the economy ladder already established by their parents.
Each and everyone of them want to provide a better home for their children. Some will work themselves to death to send just one child to school/college. From time to time, the working father, mother, or elder sibling gets ill or worst. The family is disparate and forced to do the unthinkable.
Part of being a responsible adult and parent is to be prepared. If the jobs are not availble what right does an adult have reproducing when the child will be subjected to poverty? Many choose to ignore this fact before creating a life. If the family was forced into poverty due to a loss of income after the children were born the parents need to find jobs to support thier family not make more babies. If they have to support 8 kids they should have some seriously valuable job skills or should not have 8 kids.
They are only poor by our standards. Ask yourself why? Was it because of the choices they made or are they all victims of thier own government. If the latter then why not do something about it instead of running away. I believe its a combination of both. Either way being poor does not give these folks the right to disregard our laws and drain our economy. They are creating here exactly what they are fleeing from and many lived in poverty before they made the choice to have children, it didnt just sneak up on them.
On a larger scale if the Father lost his job in the scenario you described or they simply want a better life for their children they should stop straining their countries resources by having more kids. Common sense here there will be less opportunities when the economy is strained with overpopulation, this is true in any country.
America was founded on the premis of opportunity but even the US has its limits. We cannot continue to support the flood of illeagal aliens into our country and continue to maintian our quality of life. These people want to take from us and create a "pity me" scenanrio for their own irresponsibility. It's time the people of Mexico stand up fix their own government.

 

[moneyman]

Originally Posted by Phixer
If they are only poor by our standards then why are the lining up to flee their country? It is morally irresponsible to subject children to a life of poverty and suffering. If they want a better life for their children they should stop straining their resources by having so many.
I agree with you completely. Unfortunately, this is not their mindset. The amount of resource needed to raise a child is less than the bounty that able child can bring home. It requires very little resource to raise these children. There are no daycare, summer camp, medical insurance, Nintendo, iPod, expensive attire, and etc. It is unfortunate, but the death or disable of a child is the only 'lost of investment' for these parents.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
If my kids go to private school, why must I pay tax that would go toward public education? If I don't drive, why must my tax money to toward roads. Why do I have to pay for homeless shelter? Rehab center? There are lots of things you don't use that are paying for it.
You're not paying for Mexico to educate US citizens. I'm talking about paying the bills for Foreign Nationals. Paying the bills for US citizens is a seperate subject and entirely unrelated to people trespassing on US soil.
There are legal ways. However, the USA, like any other countries, only want rich or educated people that can grow our GDP.
Why would you want criminals to enter the US?
Most want to work for less honorable reason?
I did NOT say that. I didn't say anything that even remotely implies that. Please retract this misquote!

 

[watson3]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
You're not paying for Mexico to educate US citizens. I'm talking about paying the bills for Foreign Nationals. Paying the bills for US citizens is a seperate subject and entirely unrelated to people trespassing on US soil.
We are paying to have our OWN children taught Spanish, and the Mexican kids to go to school here for free..It goes on and on..

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by MoneyMan
I live less than an hour away from the President. I don't want a terrorist with WMD anywhere in this country.
Then we can agree that 3000+ miles of open border needs to be locked down.